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States without major cities have lower crime rates but you can pretend it is about the gunsThings you are not taking into account......
Here Are 8 Stubborn Facts on Gun Violence in America
6. There is no clear relationship between strict gun control legislation and homicide or violent crime rates.
- The rate of gun ownership is higher among whites than it is among African-Americans, but the murder rate among African-Americans is significantly higher than the rate among whites.
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- The Brady Campaign Against Gun Violence ironically makes this clear with its ratings for states based on gun laws. “Gun freedom” states that score poorly, like New Hampshire, Vermont, Idaho, and Oregon, have some of the lowest homicide rates. Conversely, “gun-control-loving” states that received high scores, like Maryland and Illinois, experience some of the nation’s highest homicide rates.
- The Crime Prevention Research Center notes that, if anything, the data indicate that countries with high rates of gun ownership tend to have lower homicide rates—but this is only a correlation, and many factors do not necessarily support a conclusion that high rates of gun ownership cause the low rates of homicide.
- Homicide and firearm homicide rates in Great Britain spiked in the years immediately following the imposition of severe gun control measures, despite the fact that most developed countries continued to experience a downward trend in these rates. This is also pointed out by noted criminologist John Lott in his book “The War on Guns.”
- Similarly, Ireland’s homicide rates spiked in the years immediately following the country’s 1972 gun confiscation legislation.
- Australia’s National Firearms Act appears to have had little effect on suicide and homicide rates, which were falling before the law was enacted and continued to decline at a statistically unremarkable rate compared to worldwide trends.
- According to research compiled by John Lott and highlighted in his book “The War on Guns,” Australia’s armed and unarmed robbery rates both increased markedly in the five years immediately following the National Firearms Act, despite the general downward trend experienced by other developed countries.
- Great Britain has some of the strictest gun control laws in the developed world, but the violent crime rate for homicide, rape, burglary, and aggravated assault is much higher than that in the U.S. Further, approximately 60 percent of burglaries in Great Britain occur while residents are home, compared to just 13 percent in the U.S., and British burglars admit to targeting occupied residences because they are more likely to find wallets and purses.
- It is difficult to compare homicide and firearm-related murder rates across international borders because countries use different methods to determine which deaths “count” for purposes of violent crime. For example, since 1967, Great Britain has excluded from its homicide counts any case that does not result in a conviction, that was the result of dangerous driving, or in which the person was determined to have acted in self-defense. All of these factors are counted as “homicides” in the United States.
Crime rates are not gun violence rates.
Mass killings are not typical murders.
Homicides include people killing people because of relationships, people killing people while committing crimes and gang violence and then tyou ave people wanting to kill as many people as they can. It is these killings we are talking about & your bullshit attempts of burying statistics is obvious & dishonest.
So shove your homicide rates & pretend crime rates are down because a bunch of gun lovers decide to own 30 guns. The ban of assault rifles reduced deaths due to mass killings. You can pout, & stomp tour feet & spew irrelevant statistics and stories but it does not change that these weapons feed these mass killings usually of innocent children & women.
So shove your homicide rates & pretend crime rates are down because a bunch of gun lovers decide to own 30 guns.
Bzzzzzzzz, wrong answer....
Your theory...not mine......
More Guns = More Gun crime......
26 years...more gun ownership in this country, more people carrying guns...
Result:
gun murder down 49%
gun crime down 75%
Your theory is that regardless of any other factor....simply adding guns to a society increases gun murder and gun crime......
The exact opposite happened...does this mean guns helped lower those rates.....that isn't the argument for this point......you point, again.....simply adding guns will increase those rates.....
The exact opposite happened....
In science, when you have a theory, then conduct an experiment to prove that theory.......and the exact opposite happens....in science, that means your theory is completely wrong......
False assumptions;
1) The increase of guns purchased is increase of gun owners. You actually no data on the number of gun owners. How any people bought guns that did not require any registration?
2) You think the reduction of gun violence (if true) is due to this increase in gun sales.
I haven't addressed gun sales and violence reduction...
What I am pointing out is that your theory is wrong...
You and the anti-gunners believe with religious fervor.....
More Guns = More Gun crime... you do not say....yeah, but only if lots of people own them....no your theory, your argument, your faith....
More Guns = More Gun Crime...
Theory is put into practice over 26 years.....from 200 million guns in 1990s in private hands to close to if not over 600 million guns in private hands in 2017....
More Guns
Then...what happened?
Gun murder down 49%
Gun crime down 75%...
Less Gun Crime...
Your Theory....
More Guns = More Gun Crime
Result.....Gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%
Less gun crime
In actual science.....you know, real science....when you have a theory, and then you conduct an experiment based on that theory, and then the exact opposite of your theory happens....?
That means your theory is wrong....
Your interpretation is wrong.
Not more guns, more gun owners.
Really, If I owned 500 guns instead of 5, would that make me commit more crime?
I never buy new guns, so... no.So, when you buy a handgun, is it registered?
No where is it written down that you bought a handgun & what it is & where you bought it?
Yes, because the quality of the data is IMPORTANT!!!! Especially when you are advocating weakening the 2nd amendment!!! The 'gun grabbers' have the burden of PROVING the 2nd amendment is not applicable to "We the People"....So far all they have is sycophant MSM and fake 'studies' which is the WEAKEST argument against gun ownership by We The People.
It sure is convenient that the inevitable burden of imperfect data is only of consequence to the opposition, because you say so.
----------------------------------------------- I keep hearing the word Registered so where is it in the USA that GUN's are registered RDave ??----------- just curious RDave .States without major cities have lower crime rates but you can pretend it is about the gunsThings you are not taking into account......
Here Are 8 Stubborn Facts on Gun Violence in America
6. There is no clear relationship between strict gun control legislation and homicide or violent crime rates.
- The rate of gun ownership is higher among whites than it is among African-Americans, but the murder rate among African-Americans is significantly higher than the rate among whites.
- -------
- The Brady Campaign Against Gun Violence ironically makes this clear with its ratings for states based on gun laws. “Gun freedom” states that score poorly, like New Hampshire, Vermont, Idaho, and Oregon, have some of the lowest homicide rates. Conversely, “gun-control-loving” states that received high scores, like Maryland and Illinois, experience some of the nation’s highest homicide rates.
- The Crime Prevention Research Center notes that, if anything, the data indicate that countries with high rates of gun ownership tend to have lower homicide rates—but this is only a correlation, and many factors do not necessarily support a conclusion that high rates of gun ownership cause the low rates of homicide.
- Homicide and firearm homicide rates in Great Britain spiked in the years immediately following the imposition of severe gun control measures, despite the fact that most developed countries continued to experience a downward trend in these rates. This is also pointed out by noted criminologist John Lott in his book “The War on Guns.”
- Similarly, Ireland’s homicide rates spiked in the years immediately following the country’s 1972 gun confiscation legislation.
- Australia’s National Firearms Act appears to have had little effect on suicide and homicide rates, which were falling before the law was enacted and continued to decline at a statistically unremarkable rate compared to worldwide trends.
- According to research compiled by John Lott and highlighted in his book “The War on Guns,” Australia’s armed and unarmed robbery rates both increased markedly in the five years immediately following the National Firearms Act, despite the general downward trend experienced by other developed countries.
- Great Britain has some of the strictest gun control laws in the developed world, but the violent crime rate for homicide, rape, burglary, and aggravated assault is much higher than that in the U.S. Further, approximately 60 percent of burglaries in Great Britain occur while residents are home, compared to just 13 percent in the U.S., and British burglars admit to targeting occupied residences because they are more likely to find wallets and purses.
- It is difficult to compare homicide and firearm-related murder rates across international borders because countries use different methods to determine which deaths “count” for purposes of violent crime. For example, since 1967, Great Britain has excluded from its homicide counts any case that does not result in a conviction, that was the result of dangerous driving, or in which the person was determined to have acted in self-defense. All of these factors are counted as “homicides” in the United States.
Crime rates are not gun violence rates.
Mass killings are not typical murders.
Homicides include people killing people because of relationships, people killing people while committing crimes and gang violence and then tyou ave people wanting to kill as many people as they can. It is these killings we are talking about & your bullshit attempts of burying statistics is obvious & dishonest.
So shove your homicide rates & pretend crime rates are down because a bunch of gun lovers decide to own 30 guns. The ban of assault rifles reduced deaths due to mass killings. You can pout, & stomp tour feet & spew irrelevant statistics and stories but it does not change that these weapons feed these mass killings usually of innocent children & women.
So shove your homicide rates & pretend crime rates are down because a bunch of gun lovers decide to own 30 guns.
Bzzzzzzzz, wrong answer....
Your theory...not mine......
More Guns = More Gun crime......
26 years...more gun ownership in this country, more people carrying guns...
Result:
gun murder down 49%
gun crime down 75%
Your theory is that regardless of any other factor....simply adding guns to a society increases gun murder and gun crime......
The exact opposite happened...does this mean guns helped lower those rates.....that isn't the argument for this point......you point, again.....simply adding guns will increase those rates.....
The exact opposite happened....
In science, when you have a theory, then conduct an experiment to prove that theory.......and the exact opposite happens....in science, that means your theory is completely wrong......
False assumptions;
1) The increase of guns purchased is increase of gun owners. You actually no data on the number of gun owners. How any people bought guns that did not require any registration?
2) You think the reduction of gun violence (if true) is due to this increase in gun sales.
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So, when you buy a handgun, is it registered? No where is it written down that you bought a handgun & what it is & where you bought it?
Yes, because the quality of the data is IMPORTANT!!!! Especially when you are advocating weakening the 2nd amendment!!! The 'gun grabbers' have the burden of PROVING the 2nd amendment is not applicable to "We the People"....So far all they have is sycophant MSM and fake 'studies' which is the WEAKEST argument against gun ownership by We The People.
It sure is convenient that the inevitable burden of imperfect data is only of consequence to the opposition, because you say so.
You are falsely attributing another’s post to me. Please correct.
No it was not my post.Yes, because the quality of the data is IMPORTANT!!!! Especially when you are advocating weakening the 2nd amendment!!! The 'gun grabbers' have the burden of PROVING the 2nd amendment is not applicable to "We the People"....So far all they have is sycophant MSM and fake 'studies' which is the WEAKEST argument against gun ownership by We The People.
It sure is convenient that the inevitable burden of imperfect data is only of consequence to the opposition, because you say so.
You are falsely attributing another’s post to me. Please correct.
No mistake. That was to you.
No it was not my post.Yes, because the quality of the data is IMPORTANT!!!! Especially when you are advocating weakening the 2nd amendment!!! The 'gun grabbers' have the burden of PROVING the 2nd amendment is not applicable to "We the People"....So far all they have is sycophant MSM and fake 'studies' which is the WEAKEST argument against gun ownership by We The People.
It sure is convenient that the inevitable burden of imperfect data is only of consequence to the opposition, because you say so.
You are falsely attributing another’s post to me. Please correct.
No mistake. That was to you.
No it was not my post.Yes, because the quality of the data is IMPORTANT!!!! Especially when you are advocating weakening the 2nd amendment!!! The 'gun grabbers' have the burden of PROVING the 2nd amendment is not applicable to "We the People"....So far all they have is sycophant MSM and fake 'studies' which is the WEAKEST argument against gun ownership by We The People.
It sure is convenient that the inevitable burden of imperfect data is only of consequence to the opposition, because you say so.
You are falsely attributing another’s post to me. Please correct.
No mistake. That was to you.
Post #1648, on page 165.
You said the following:
"Yes, because the quality of the data is IMPORTANT!!!! Especially when you are advocating weakening the 2nd amendment!!! The 'gun grabbers' have the burden of PROVING the 2nd amendment is not applicable to "We the People"....So far all they have is sycophant MSM and fake 'studies' which is the WEAKEST argument against gun ownership by We The People."
States without major cities have lower crime rates but you can pretend it is about the guns
Crime rates are not gun violence rates.
Mass killings are not typical murders.
Homicides include people killing people because of relationships, people killing people while committing crimes and gang violence and then tyou ave people wanting to kill as many people as they can. It is these killings we are talking about & your bullshit attempts of burying statistics is obvious & dishonest.
So shove your homicide rates & pretend crime rates are down because a bunch of gun lovers decide to own 30 guns. The ban of assault rifles reduced deaths due to mass killings. You can pout, & stomp tour feet & spew irrelevant statistics and stories but it does not change that these weapons feed these mass killings usually of innocent children & women.
So shove your homicide rates & pretend crime rates are down because a bunch of gun lovers decide to own 30 guns.
Bzzzzzzzz, wrong answer....
Your theory...not mine......
More Guns = More Gun crime......
26 years...more gun ownership in this country, more people carrying guns...
Result:
gun murder down 49%
gun crime down 75%
Your theory is that regardless of any other factor....simply adding guns to a society increases gun murder and gun crime......
The exact opposite happened...does this mean guns helped lower those rates.....that isn't the argument for this point......you point, again.....simply adding guns will increase those rates.....
The exact opposite happened....
In science, when you have a theory, then conduct an experiment to prove that theory.......and the exact opposite happens....in science, that means your theory is completely wrong......
False assumptions;
1) The increase of guns purchased is increase of gun owners. You actually no data on the number of gun owners. How any people bought guns that did not require any registration?
2) You think the reduction of gun violence (if true) is due to this increase in gun sales.
I haven't addressed gun sales and violence reduction...
What I am pointing out is that your theory is wrong...
You and the anti-gunners believe with religious fervor.....
More Guns = More Gun crime... you do not say....yeah, but only if lots of people own them....no your theory, your argument, your faith....
More Guns = More Gun Crime...
Theory is put into practice over 26 years.....from 200 million guns in 1990s in private hands to close to if not over 600 million guns in private hands in 2017....
More Guns
Then...what happened?
Gun murder down 49%
Gun crime down 75%...
Less Gun Crime...
Your Theory....
More Guns = More Gun Crime
Result.....Gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%
Less gun crime
In actual science.....you know, real science....when you have a theory, and then you conduct an experiment based on that theory, and then the exact opposite of your theory happens....?
That means your theory is wrong....
Your interpretation is wrong.
Not more guns, more gun owners.
Really, If I owned 500 guns instead of 5, would that make me commit more crime?
You are the ones who state....
More guns = More gun crime....
More Americans own and carry guns and the crime rate went down, not up...
You are now being a sniveling little whiner....Ooooh...but those 400 million guns were bought by 3 guys in Idaho so that doesn't count......
Your theory is wrong....you are basing it on fear....not facts or truth.
So shove your homicide rates & pretend crime rates are down because a bunch of gun lovers decide to own 30 guns.
Bzzzzzzzz, wrong answer....
Your theory...not mine......
More Guns = More Gun crime......
26 years...more gun ownership in this country, more people carrying guns...
Result:
gun murder down 49%
gun crime down 75%
Your theory is that regardless of any other factor....simply adding guns to a society increases gun murder and gun crime......
The exact opposite happened...does this mean guns helped lower those rates.....that isn't the argument for this point......you point, again.....simply adding guns will increase those rates.....
The exact opposite happened....
In science, when you have a theory, then conduct an experiment to prove that theory.......and the exact opposite happens....in science, that means your theory is completely wrong......
False assumptions;
1) The increase of guns purchased is increase of gun owners. You actually no data on the number of gun owners. How any people bought guns that did not require any registration?
2) You think the reduction of gun violence (if true) is due to this increase in gun sales.
I haven't addressed gun sales and violence reduction...
What I am pointing out is that your theory is wrong...
You and the anti-gunners believe with religious fervor.....
More Guns = More Gun crime... you do not say....yeah, but only if lots of people own them....no your theory, your argument, your faith....
More Guns = More Gun Crime...
Theory is put into practice over 26 years.....from 200 million guns in 1990s in private hands to close to if not over 600 million guns in private hands in 2017....
More Guns
Then...what happened?
Gun murder down 49%
Gun crime down 75%...
Less Gun Crime...
Your Theory....
More Guns = More Gun Crime
Result.....Gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%
Less gun crime
In actual science.....you know, real science....when you have a theory, and then you conduct an experiment based on that theory, and then the exact opposite of your theory happens....?
That means your theory is wrong....
Your interpretation is wrong.
Not more guns, more gun owners.
Really, If I owned 500 guns instead of 5, would that make me commit more crime?
You are the ones who state....
More guns = More gun crime....
More Americans own and carry guns and the crime rate went down, not up...
You are now being a sniveling little whiner....Ooooh...but those 400 million guns were bought by 3 guys in Idaho so that doesn't count......
Your theory is wrong....you are basing it on fear....not facts or truth.
You are making incorrect assumptions
Fuck off gunboy. I don't have a "theory". My desire is to keep guns way rfom those that misuse them, to make sure you gunnuts have training so you quit leaving your guns laying around where kids can get them and ro ban assault type rifles.False assumptions;
1) The increase of guns purchased is increase of gun owners. You actually no data on the number of gun owners. How any people bought guns that did not require any registration?
2) You think the reduction of gun violence (if true) is due to this increase in gun sales.
I haven't addressed gun sales and violence reduction...
What I am pointing out is that your theory is wrong...
You and the anti-gunners believe with religious fervor.....
More Guns = More Gun crime... you do not say....yeah, but only if lots of people own them....no your theory, your argument, your faith....
More Guns = More Gun Crime...
Theory is put into practice over 26 years.....from 200 million guns in 1990s in private hands to close to if not over 600 million guns in private hands in 2017....
More Guns
Then...what happened?
Gun murder down 49%
Gun crime down 75%...
Less Gun Crime...
Your Theory....
More Guns = More Gun Crime
Result.....Gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%
Less gun crime
In actual science.....you know, real science....when you have a theory, and then you conduct an experiment based on that theory, and then the exact opposite of your theory happens....?
That means your theory is wrong....
Your interpretation is wrong.
Not more guns, more gun owners.
Really, If I owned 500 guns instead of 5, would that make me commit more crime?
You are the ones who state....
More guns = More gun crime....
More Americans own and carry guns and the crime rate went down, not up...
You are now being a sniveling little whiner....Ooooh...but those 400 million guns were bought by 3 guys in Idaho so that doesn't count......
Your theory is wrong....you are basing it on fear....not facts or truth.
You are making incorrect assumptions
Nope......that is your theory...
More guns = More gun crime....
26 year experiment with More Guns...
The exact opposite of your theory happens...
In Science.....real science.......that means your theory is wrong...
Fuck off gunboy. I don't have a "theory". My desire is to keep guns way rfom those that misuse them, to make sure you gunnuts have training so you quit leaving your guns laying around where kids can get them and ro ban assault type rifles.I haven't addressed gun sales and violence reduction...
What I am pointing out is that your theory is wrong...
You and the anti-gunners believe with religious fervor.....
More Guns = More Gun crime... you do not say....yeah, but only if lots of people own them....no your theory, your argument, your faith....
More Guns = More Gun Crime...
Theory is put into practice over 26 years.....from 200 million guns in 1990s in private hands to close to if not over 600 million guns in private hands in 2017....
More Guns
Then...what happened?
Gun murder down 49%
Gun crime down 75%...
Less Gun Crime...
Your Theory....
More Guns = More Gun Crime
Result.....Gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%
Less gun crime
In actual science.....you know, real science....when you have a theory, and then you conduct an experiment based on that theory, and then the exact opposite of your theory happens....?
That means your theory is wrong....
Your interpretation is wrong.
Not more guns, more gun owners.
Really, If I owned 500 guns instead of 5, would that make me commit more crime?
You are the ones who state....
More guns = More gun crime....
More Americans own and carry guns and the crime rate went down, not up...
You are now being a sniveling little whiner....Ooooh...but those 400 million guns were bought by 3 guys in Idaho so that doesn't count......
Your theory is wrong....you are basing it on fear....not facts or truth.
You are making incorrect assumptions
Nope......that is your theory...
More guns = More gun crime....
26 year experiment with More Guns...
The exact opposite of your theory happens...
In Science.....real science.......that means your theory is wrong...
You assfucks are so God damn stupid that you think people want to take away all guns as you spew dishonest statistics.
Your plan of passing out guns to everyone is stupid.
Fuck off gunboy. I don't have a "theory". My desire is to keep guns way rfom those that misuse them, to make sure you gunnuts have training so you quit leaving your guns laying around where kids can get them and ro ban assault type rifles.Your interpretation is wrong.
Not more guns, more gun owners.
Really, If I owned 500 guns instead of 5, would that make me commit more crime?
You are the ones who state....
More guns = More gun crime....
More Americans own and carry guns and the crime rate went down, not up...
You are now being a sniveling little whiner....Ooooh...but those 400 million guns were bought by 3 guys in Idaho so that doesn't count......
Your theory is wrong....you are basing it on fear....not facts or truth.
You are making incorrect assumptions
Nope......that is your theory...
More guns = More gun crime....
26 year experiment with More Guns...
The exact opposite of your theory happens...
In Science.....real science.......that means your theory is wrong...
You assfucks are so God damn stupid that you think people want to take away all guns as you spew dishonest statistics.
Your plan of passing out guns to everyone is stupid.
My desire is to keep guns way rfom those that misuse them,
Funny then that nothing you propose would do that.....funny that everything you propose only targets law abiding people who don't use their legal guns for crime.....funny way of stopping criminals when nothing you propose would actually work.
Again...
All rifles in 2017.... 483 murders.....
18 million semi-auto rifles in public hands.....
Knives kill over 1,500 people every single year,
Pools over 3,500
Do you see those numbers...that is why we think you are a moron.
Fuck off gunboy. I don't have a "theory". My desire is to keep guns way rfom those that misuse them, to make sure you gunnuts have training so you quit leaving your guns laying around where kids can get them and ro ban assault type rifles.Your interpretation is wrong.
Not more guns, more gun owners.
Really, If I owned 500 guns instead of 5, would that make me commit more crime?
You are the ones who state....
More guns = More gun crime....
More Americans own and carry guns and the crime rate went down, not up...
You are now being a sniveling little whiner....Ooooh...but those 400 million guns were bought by 3 guys in Idaho so that doesn't count......
Your theory is wrong....you are basing it on fear....not facts or truth.
You are making incorrect assumptions
Nope......that is your theory...
More guns = More gun crime....
26 year experiment with More Guns...
The exact opposite of your theory happens...
In Science.....real science.......that means your theory is wrong...
You assfucks are so God damn stupid that you think people want to take away all guns as you spew dishonest statistics.
Your plan of passing out guns to everyone is stupid.
My desire is to keep guns way rfom those that misuse them,
Funny then that nothing you propose would do that.....funny that everything you propose only targets law abiding people who don't use their legal guns for crime.....funny way of stopping criminals when nothing you propose would actually work.
Again...
All rifles in 2017.... 483 murders.....
18 million semi-auto rifles in public hands.....
Knives kill over 1,500 people every single year,
Pools over 3,500
Do you see those numbers...that is why we think you are a moron.
More guns equals more gun violence. The Wal Mart slogan applies. Always.
-------------------------------------- you sounds like you are getting frantic and its fun and funny to see . Sounds like you aren't making many anti gun converts at least here on the board RDave . [chuckle] .Fuck off gunboy. I don't have a "theory". My desire is to keep guns way rfom those that misuse them, to make sure you gunnuts have training so you quit leaving your guns laying around where kids can get them and ro ban assault type rifles.I haven't addressed gun sales and violence reduction...
What I am pointing out is that your theory is wrong...
You and the anti-gunners believe with religious fervor.....
More Guns = More Gun crime... you do not say....yeah, but only if lots of people own them....no your theory, your argument, your faith....
More Guns = More Gun Crime...
Theory is put into practice over 26 years.....from 200 million guns in 1990s in private hands to close to if not over 600 million guns in private hands in 2017....
More Guns
Then...what happened?
Gun murder down 49%
Gun crime down 75%...
Less Gun Crime...
Your Theory....
More Guns = More Gun Crime
Result.....Gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%
Less gun crime
In actual science.....you know, real science....when you have a theory, and then you conduct an experiment based on that theory, and then the exact opposite of your theory happens....?
That means your theory is wrong....
Your interpretation is wrong.
Not more guns, more gun owners.
Really, If I owned 500 guns instead of 5, would that make me commit more crime?
You are the ones who state....
More guns = More gun crime....
More Americans own and carry guns and the crime rate went down, not up...
You are now being a sniveling little whiner....Ooooh...but those 400 million guns were bought by 3 guys in Idaho so that doesn't count......
Your theory is wrong....you are basing it on fear....not facts or truth.
You are making incorrect assumptions
Nope......that is your theory...
More guns = More gun crime....
26 year experiment with More Guns...
The exact opposite of your theory happens...
In Science.....real science.......that means your theory is wrong...
You assfucks are so God damn stupid that you think people want to take away all guns as you spew dishonest statistics.
Your plan of passing out guns to everyone is stupid.
