Manipulation for war?

[jimnyc]

Originally posted by st8_o_mind
I did not take the country to war based on either bad intelligence, as Jim would claim, or based on lies, as the rest of the world now knows, Bush did.

We went to war based on over 12 years of failed negotiations and 12 years of Saddam flipping his nose to the UN and inspectors.

Lies as the rest of the world knows? LOL

You're about the 100th person to come here and claim these 'lies', and about the 100th person who couldn't back that up. Thanks for playing!

 

[st8_o_mind]

You really need me to source that? Okay, most recently you can check out today's Washington Post, Page A-6 which reads as follows:

"That was a war based on lies and misinterpretations from London and Washington, claiming falsely that Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11, claiming falsely that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction."

They were quoting former President Carter speaking to reporters in England. Surprisingly, nobody in the press corps asked Carter to source his material. Perhaps it is because the reasons Bush advanced for attacking Iraq is one of the most widely covered news stories since Monica blew Bill. Giimme a break.

 

[jimnyc]

Originally posted by st8_o_mind
You really need me to source that? Okay, most recently you can check out today's Washington Post, Page A-6 which reads as follows:

"That was a war based on lies and misinterpretations from London and Washington, claiming falsely that Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11, claiming falsely that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction."

They were quoting former President Carter speaking to reporters in England. Surprisingly, nobody in the press corps asked Carter to source his material. Perhaps it is because the reasons Bush advanced for attacking Iraq is one of the most widely covered news stories since Monica blew Bill. Giimme a break.

I don't want to read this crap. You stated that Iraq-9/11 connection was one of the reasons given for going to war. I say BULLSHIT. Can you not backup this ridiculous claim?

 

[st8_o_mind]

Try this one on for size...and thanks for playing yourself.

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld got caught blatantly contradicting his past statements, and we have the video clip. You can check it out at:
http://www.moveon.org/censure/caughtonvideo/

 

[jimnyc]

Originally posted by st8_o_mind
Try this one on for size...and thanks for playing yourself.

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld got caught blatantly contradicting his past statements, and we have the video clip. You can check it out at:
http://www.moveon.org/censure/caughtonvideo/

WHERE IS THE PROOF??????????

You claim the 9/11-Iraq connection was given as a reason for going to war. Can you not back this up? Why did you make such a ridiculous claim if you couldn't back it up?

So sad that someone would just make shit up and then try to change the subject when busted.

 

[DKSuddeth]

We went to war based on over 12 years of failed negotiations and 12 years of Saddam flipping his nose to the UN and inspectors.

Nobody in congress cared about 12 years of resolutions and about half of america didn't care about them either. They were all angry about 9/11 and our intelligence said hussein had tons and tons of weapons he was going to fly over here on balsa wood air drones. :

 

[st8_o_mind]

You wrote:

WHERE IS THE PROOF??????????

You claim the 9/11-Iraq connection was given as a reason for going to war. Can you not back this up? Why did you make such a ridiculous claim if you couldn't back it up?

The following is from January 28th, 2003. The words are George W. Bush's. The event is the State of the Union Address.

And this Congress and the America people must recognize another threat. Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications, and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of al Qaeda. Secretly, and without fingerprints, he could provide one of his hidden weapons to terrorists, or help them develop their own.

Before September the 11th, many in the world believed that Saddam Hussein could be contained. But chemical agents, lethal viruses and shadowy terrorist networks are not easily contained. Imagine those 19 hijackers with other weapons and other plans -- this time armed by Saddam Hussein.


Now you have it in the President's own words. Is the President linking Saddam with al Qaeda and with 9/11? All you have to do is read the words. A simple goodle search of statements by Bush or his senior staff or his press secretary will give you hours of all the proof you need.

So you wrote that I can't back up my claim, but I've quoted President Carter from today's paper, sent a vidoe clip from Don Rumsfeld and now you have the President's own speech.

Still a "ridiculous claim?" Thanks for playing.

 

[jimnyc]

Originally posted by st8_o_mind
Still a "ridiculous claim?" Thanks for playing.

Talk about your mother of reading comprehension errors!

Before September the 11th, many in the world believed that Saddam Hussein could be contained. But chemical agents, lethal viruses and shadowy terrorist networks are not easily contained. Imagine those 19 hijackers with other weapons and other plans -- this time armed by Saddam Hussein.

Where does this state Saddam had anything to do with 9/11?

This was clearly Bush giving a scenario of what could possibly happen if Saddam gained WMD and started giving them to terrorists. THIS SAY'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT SADDAM HAVING A LINK TO 9/11!!!

Did you really believe this when you typed it? LOL

 

[st8_o_mind]

More proof. This is pretty easy. Try doing a google search. It is not hard. Two examples, the first the Presidents words, the second, VP Cheney. How long are you going to stay in denial of that which can be readily proven by anyone with a search engine?


One clear example of when this connection was made can be found in Bush's own resolution to Congress, dated March 18 2003, which set forth the parameters of the looming battle. Section 2 of this resolution described the need for [bold]"necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001." This is in the Iraq resolution. The connection Bush would deny ever having made came, in fact, from his own words and pen.


Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) on Sunday clouded the issue by saying, "It's not surprising people make that connection" between Saddam and the attacks.
Cheney, on NBC's "Meet the Press," also repeated an allegation — doubted by many in the intelligence community — that Mohamed Atta, the lead Sept. 11 attacker, met with a senior Iraqi intelligence official in Prague five months before Sept. 11.

 

[jimnyc]

Buddy, you're all wet! It's definitely the comprehension!

One clear example of when this connection was made can be found in Bush's own resolution to Congress, dated March 18 2003, which set forth the parameters of the looming battle. Section 2 of this resolution described the need for [bold]"necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001." This is in the Iraq resolution. The connection Bush would deny ever having made came, in fact, from his own words and pen.

This is in reference to the entire war on terrorism. So very nice of you to clip out a portion that you like and then forget to leave a source. Allow me to give you a source.

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/bush/resolution.htm

Whereas Congress has taken steps to pursue vigorously the war on terrorism through the provision of authorities and funding requested by the President to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations

Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) on Sunday clouded the issue by saying, "It's not surprising people make that connection" between Saddam and the attacks.
Cheney, on NBC's "Meet the Press," also repeated an allegation — doubted by many in the intelligence community — that Mohamed Atta, the lead Sept. 11 attacker, met with a senior Iraqi intelligence official in Prague five months before Sept. 11.

I find it funny that you failed to provide a source, AGAIN. I also find it funny that these words come from an article titled Bush says no Saddam role in Sept. 11 attacks.

http://www.fayettevilleobserver.com/story.php?Template=war&Story=5883150

 

[st8_o_mind]

More proof….

Published on Monday, February 16, 2004
9/11 Families Valentines Letter to President Bush
by Colleen Kelly, David Potorti and Kelly Campbell

February 14, 2004 Dear President Bush,


You and members of your administration consistently invoked 9/11 as a justification for war in Iraq, without presenting any evidence of a link between Saddam Hussein¹s Iraq and the attacks of that day. The confusing and misleading statements made by your administration that allude to an unproven link have caused a majority of the US public, (up to 70% according to a Washington Post poll taken in September 2003) to believe that Saddam Hussein was responsible for September 11.You have exploited the American public's genuine fear of another September 11 to pursue an unrelated war, which has already cost the lives of more than 500 US service people and an estimated 10,000 Iraqi civilians. We call upon you today to publicly acknowledge that your administration's statements have misled the American people, and to clarify that there is no evidence of a connection between the events of 9/11 and Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Please, Mr. President, will you correct this dangerous misperception?

Family members of 9/11 victims lost at the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and on Flight 93 launched a group called September 11th Families for Peaceful Tomorrows. The above is an excerpt from their letter to the President.

 

[jimnyc]

Originally posted by st8_o_mind
More proof….

Published on Monday, February 16, 2004
9/11 Families Valentines Letter to President Bush
by Colleen Kelly, David Potorti and Kelly Campbell

February 14, 2004 Dear President Bush,


You and members of your administration consistently invoked 9/11 as a justification for war in Iraq, without presenting any evidence of a link between Saddam Hussein¹s Iraq and the attacks of that day. The confusing and misleading statements made by your administration that allude to an unproven link have caused a majority of the US public, (up to 70% according to a Washington Post poll taken in September 2003) to believe that Saddam Hussein was responsible for September 11.You have exploited the American public's genuine fear of another September 11 to pursue an unrelated war, which has already cost the lives of more than 500 US service people and an estimated 10,000 Iraqi civilians. We call upon you today to publicly acknowledge that your administration's statements have misled the American people, and to clarify that there is no evidence of a connection between the events of 9/11 and Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Please, Mr. President, will you correct this dangerous misperception?

Family members of 9/11 victims lost at the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and on Flight 93 launched a group called September 11th Families for Peaceful Tomorrows. The above is an excerpt from their letter to the President.

Yes, Peaceful Tomorrows - the organization that John Kerry's wife has ties to and gave them 4.5 million dollars.

This is not proof of what they said, this is just some retards letter!

You said that the Iraq/911 connection was a reason given for going to war. Do you have any sources or is this pathetic crap you're giving us the best you can do? Admit it, it was NOT a reason given!

It figures that you would post crap from commondreams.org.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0216-09.htm

 

[st8_o_mind]

More proof….

from

"Support for War in Iraq Based on Fallacious Reasoning"
Date: Friday, October 03, 2003 @ 00:15:30 CST
Topic: PINR
Power and Interest News Report (PINR

While there is clearly no serious evidence linking Saddam Hussein to the September 11 hijackings, members of the Bush administration consistently justified their invasion of Iraq over the past two years by implying a connection between the two. President Bush himself frequently made statements linking Saddam Hussein and September 11 by placing the two, previously separate issues within the same context during speeches advocating an invasion of Iraq. For example, President Bush argued on October 7, 2002: "We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases. And we know that after September 11, Saddam Hussein's regime gleefully celebrated the terrorist attacks on America." As recently as May 1, 2003, Bush warned, "The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September 11, 2001 -- and still goes on." And as recent as September 14, Vice President Dick Cheney claimed, "If we're successful in Iraq … then we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11."

 

[OCA]

Originally posted by st8_o_mind
More proof….

Published on Monday, February 16, 2004
9/11 Families Valentines Letter to President Bush
by Colleen Kelly, David Potorti and Kelly Campbell

February 14, 2004 Dear President Bush,


You and members of your administration consistently invoked 9/11 as a justification for war in Iraq, without presenting any evidence of a link between Saddam Hussein¹s Iraq and the attacks of that day. The confusing and misleading statements made by your administration that allude to an unproven link have caused a majority of the US public, (up to 70% according to a Washington Post poll taken in September 2003) to believe that Saddam Hussein was responsible for September 11.You have exploited the American public's genuine fear of another September 11 to pursue an unrelated war, which has already cost the lives of more than 500 US service people and an estimated 10,000 Iraqi civilians. We call upon you today to publicly acknowledge that your administration's statements have misled the American people, and to clarify that there is no evidence of a connection between the events of 9/11 and Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Please, Mr. President, will you correct this dangerous misperception?

Family members of 9/11 victims lost at the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and on Flight 93 launched a group called September 11th Families for Peaceful Tomorrows. The above is an excerpt from their letter to the President.

This is a joke right? I mean you can't be serious claiming this as evidence.

 

[jimnyc]

Originally posted by st8_o_mind
More proof….

from

"Support for War in Iraq Based on Fallacious Reasoning"
Date: Friday, October 03, 2003 @ 00:15:30 CST
Topic: PINR
Power and Interest News Report (PINR

While there is clearly no serious evidence linking Saddam Hussein to the September 11 hijackings, members of the Bush administration consistently justified their invasion of Iraq over the past two years by implying a connection between the two. President Bush himself frequently made statements linking Saddam Hussein and September 11 by placing the two, previously separate issues within the same context during speeches advocating an invasion of Iraq. For example, President Bush argued on October 7, 2002: "We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases. And we know that after September 11, Saddam Hussein's regime gleefully celebrated the terrorist attacks on America." As recently as May 1, 2003, Bush warned, "The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September 11, 2001 -- and still goes on." And as recent as September 14, Vice President Dick Cheney claimed, "If we're successful in Iraq … then we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11."

Number one - READ THE RULES. Start posting links to your sources or your posts will just be deleted in the future.

Number two - This is just more crap. If anything, it's them speaking of a possible link between Saddam and Al Qaeda, but say's NOTHING about Iraq and a 9/11 connection.

Get real, buddy. You're getting more and more desperate.

 

[OCA]

Originally posted by st8_o_mind
You wrote:

WHERE IS THE PROOF??????????

You claim the 9/11-Iraq connection was given as a reason for going to war. Can you not back this up? Why did you make such a ridiculous claim if you couldn't back it up?

The following is from January 28th, 2003. The words are George W. Bush's. The event is the State of the Union Address.

And this Congress and the America people must recognize another threat. Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications, and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of al Qaeda. Secretly, and without fingerprints, he could provide one of his hidden weapons to terrorists, or help them develop their own.

Before September the 11th, many in the world believed that Saddam Hussein could be contained. But chemical agents, lethal viruses and shadowy terrorist networks are not easily contained. Imagine those 19 hijackers with other weapons and other plans -- this time armed by Saddam Hussein.


Now you have it in the President's own words. Is the President linking Saddam with al Qaeda and with 9/11? All you have to do is read the words. A simple goodle search of statements by Bush or his senior staff or his press secretary will give you hours of all the proof you need.

So you wrote that I can't back up my claim, but I've quoted President Carter from today's paper, sent a vidoe clip from Don Rumsfeld and now you have the President's own speech.

Still a "ridiculous claim?" Thanks for playing.

The President is throwing a hypothetical out there, what if the next time they are armed with WMD's from Sadaam. No way can you comprehend this as Bush saying that Sadaam was in cahoots with AL Qaeda on 9/11, he probably was and we just haven't discovered the smoking gun yet though.

 

[st8_o_mind]

more proof,

I think readers at this site have all the proof that they need. My comments that Bush linked Iraq with 9/11 require no further proof and anyone that wants to can find all they need with a simple google search. You're claim, Jim, that I somehow just made this up cannot be supported. Thanks for playing.

 

[jimnyc]

Originally posted by st8_o_mind
more proof,

I think readers at this site have all the proof that they need. My comments that Bush linked Iraq with 9/11 require no further proof and anyone that wants to can find all they need with a simple google search. You're claim, Jim, that I somehow just made this up cannot be supported. Thanks for playing.

Your article has been deleted. I'm not going to ask you again to provide links for articles you quote.

You've shown nothing and you look extremely foolish at this point. Anyone that clips out pertinent information from a paragraph and then quotes it, while conveniently forgetting to link to their source, is very low on the credibility ladder.

You made assertions about what Bush and his administration stated as reasons for going to war. You cannot back that up. You lose, Goodbye.

 

[MtnBiker]

Originally posted by st8_o_mind
more proof,

Your article title does not jive with the content.

Date: 22 September
Topic: PINR
Power and Interest News Report (PINR
''Support for War in Iraq Based on Fallacious Reasoning''

On Wednesday, September 17, U.S. President George W. Bush admitted that there was no evidence that Saddam Hussein had any role in the September 11 terrorist attacks on the United States. President Bush stated, "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with September 11." The day before, National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice made similar comments, telling ABC's "Nightline" that "We have never claimed that Saddam Hussein had either direction or control of 9/11." Yet despite these statements by members of the Bush administration, according to a recent poll, some 70 percent of Americans believe that Saddam was personally involved with the terrorist attacks of that day.



http://www.pinr.com/report.php?ac=view_report&report_id=94&language_id=1

Like Jim said, please post a link.

 

[jimnyc]

Originally posted by MtnBiker
Your article title does not jive with the content.

You like the way he clips only what he thinks is pertinent? Very sad.