Lyft and Uber - a Menace to Society?

DGS49

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As we all know, state Public Utility Commissions were created to protect the citizens from certain monopolies and from unscrupulous people and companies who would prey on the citizenry without the benevolent oversight of the PUC's.

Taxi companies have traditionally been regulated by the PUC's, who "ensure," in their cumbersome, inefficient way, that rates are not outrageous, the taxi companies are not putting dangerous vehicles on the road, and that the drivers and their employers have been adequately insured or funded to meet any financial liabilities that might arise out of their operations. You might say that the PUC involvement increases the cost somewhat.

Into this situation, we have a couple of internet-based, smart-phone-using companies that allow micro-entrepreneurs to provide "taxi service" to desirous citizens who contract for their services using a smart phone app. The drivers are happy, and from all indications the passengers are satisfied with the service, and the little advantages that it provides (cheaper fares, intersting interactions, easy payment, and the ability to screen a driver for previous customer satisfaction).

But alas, conventional personal auto insurance specifically excludes coverage for paid transport of humans and stuff. Therefore, if a Uber or Lyft driver has an accident while transporting a paying customer, the insurance will not cover that liability. The driver would be PERSONALLY responsible, and one guesses that such people are rather impecunious, as a rule, otherwise they wouldn't be doing this for money. Hence, a seriously injured or damaged person could be left without compensation from the responsible party(ies).

And alas again, the cost of commercial carrier insurance would be prohibitively expensive for the individual drivers, and possibly for even the "parent" companies. Obtaining such insurance might even result in the "fares" being comparable to the licensed carriers who are now operating.

Other issues arise: For example, would the commercial insurance have to be in effect ONLY when the driver is carrying a passenger, or all of the time. It seems that many if not most of the drivers are just doing this for a couple hours per week. Clearly, they could not afford to carry full-time coverage.

My libertarian self says this is all bullshit and the PUC's should just leave it alone. But on the other hand, this is PRECISELY the reason why PUC's exist. Someone has to make sure that the public is not put in danger of large numbers of uninsured taxi drivers traveling around the fruited plain.

Consider: If you had to choose between taking a "Yellow Cab" to your destination at a relatively high cost, or saving a few bucks in exchange for having to sign a WAIVER of claims against the driver and his "employer," which would you choose?

Another factor to consider is that one of the reasons why Lyft and Uber are getting business is that the conventional cab companies are not as reliable as they could be, and even refuse to service some neighborhoods, at least that is the case here in Pittsburgh. The PUC prohibits that, of course, but it does happen.

I'm torn.
 
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Consider: If you had to choose between taking a "Yellow Cab" to your destination at a relatively high cost, or saving a few bucks in exchange for having to sign a WAIVER of claims against the driver and his "employer," which would you choose?

Option 2, all day & twice on Sunday!
 
Uber driver given life for rape...

India Uber driver given life term for Delhi rape
3 November 2015 - An Indian court has sentenced an Uber taxi driver to life imprisonment after he was found guilty of raping a female passenger last year in Delhi. Shiv Kumar Yadav was also convicted of criminal intimidation and kidnapping.
The 26-year-old woman was taken to a secluded area and raped after booking a journey home with Uber in December. Delhi later banned Uber and several other web-based taxi firms for many months, accusing them of failing to carry out adequate driver checks. The company apologised for the incident at the time and acknowledged that it "must do better". The woman had also filed a lawsuit against the service in a US court, which was later settled out of court.

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Uber driver Shiv Kumar Yadav (centre) was found guilty of rape, kidnap and criminal intimidation​

Yadav, who was wearing a white checked shirt, wiped away tears as the judge read out his sentence, the longest possible jail term for rape, reported AFP news agency. "He will serve regressive imprisonment, which shall mean imprisonment till natural death," judge Kaveri Baweja told the court in Delhi. Yadav's lawyer, DK Mishra, said he would appeal against the sentence in a higher court. "My client is innocent," he told reporters.

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The issue of sexual assault has been high on the agenda in India since a 23-year-old student was gang-raped and murdered on a bus in Delhi in December 2012. The case prompted global outrage and a tightening of laws on sexual violence. Correspondents say tougher laws have failed to bring down the number of rape cases and a series of high-profile crimes have taken place since then. Last month there was outrage in the capital after two children were raped on the same day. A week before that, a child was raped and slashed with a sharp object, and found unconscious near a railway track.

India Uber driver given life term for Delhi rape - BBC News
 
If a person owns a vehicle and wants to give his neighbor a ride somewhere and ask for some gas money or comp why not? Not like it's a different skillset involved.
 
As we all know, state Public Utility Commissions were created to protect the citizens from certain monopolies and from unscrupulous people and companies who would prey on the citizenry without the benevolent oversight of the PUC's.

Taxi companies have traditionally been regulated by the PUC's, who "ensure," in their cumbersome, inefficient way, that rates are not outrageous, the taxi companies are not putting dangerous vehicles on the road, and that the drivers and their employers have been adequately insured or funded to meet any financial liabilities that might arise out of their operations. You might say that the PUC involvement increases the cost somewhat.

Into this situation, we have a couple of internet-based, smart-phone-using companies that allow micro-entrepreneurs to provide "taxi service" to desirous citizens who contract for their services using a smart phone app. The drivers are happy, and from all indications the passengers are satisfied with the service, and the little advantages that it provides (cheaper fares, intersting interactions, easy payment, and the ability to screen a driver for previous customer satisfaction).

But alas, conventional personal auto insurance specifically excludes coverage for paid transport of humans and stuff. Therefore, if a Uber or Lyft driver has an accident while transporting a paying customer, the insurance will not cover that liability. The driver would be PERSONALLY responsible, and one guesses that such people are rather impecunious, as a rule, otherwise they wouldn't be doing this for money. Hence, a seriously injured or damaged person could be left without compensation from the responsible party(ies).

And alas again, the cost of commercial carrier insurance would be prohibitively expensive for the individual drivers, and possibly for even the "parent" companies. Obtaining such insurance might even result in the "fares" being comparable to the licensed carriers who are now operating.

Other issues arise: For example, would the commercial insurance have to be in effect ONLY when the driver is carrying a passenger, or all of the time. It seems that many if not most of the drivers are just doing this for a couple hours per week. Clearly, they could not afford to carry full-time coverage.

My libertarian self says this is all bullshit and the PUC's should just leave it alone. But on the other hand, this is PRECISELY the reason why PUC's exist. Someone has to make sure that the public is not put in danger of large numbers of uninsured taxi drivers traveling around the fruited plain.

Consider: If you had to choose between taking a "Yellow Cab" to your destination at a relatively high cost, or saving a few bucks in exchange for having to sign a WAIVER of claims against the driver and his "employer," which would you choose?

Another factor to consider is that one of the reasons why Lyft and Uber are getting business is that the conventional cab companies are not as reliable as they could be, and even refuse to service some neighborhoods, at least that is the case here in Pittsburgh. The PUC prohibits that, of course, but it does happen.

I'm torn.

Insurance for uberX with Ridesharing | Uber Global
 
If a person owns a vehicle and wants to give his neighbor a ride somewhere and ask for some gas money or comp why not? Not like it's a different skillset involved.

I prefer Uber over taxi companies on every level. Taxis cost too much, they're extremely slow to show up, the cars are old and shabby, and the drivers tend to be scuzzy.
 

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