Lost Colony of Roanoke

[yiostheoy]

For the record, "Drake" means a duck in English whereas in Spanish it means a dragon.

The Spanish feared Drake.

The English loved him.

 

[yiostheoy]

Drake and Raleigh practically single-handedly defeated the Spanish Armada in 1588 AD.

They were both lovers of Queen Elizabeth 1st as well.

 

[yiostheoy]

Hmm, there were other European settlers in America in those times.

French to the north and northwest.

Spanish to the south in Florida.

 

[yiostheoy]

Anybody remember drinking Virginia Dare soda pop as a kid? ...

What flavor was it?

It was a "cola".

This originally comes from "cola beans" aka "cola nuts".

Kola nut - Wikipedia

 

[rightwinger]

TNHarley
Whenever you're not busy snarking about politicians, do you have any guesses about what happened to them, and does the new stuff on the copper mines or the info on the Dare Stone give you any new ideas?

I don't see what the big mystery is

They established a small settlement in the middle of nowhere. They were abandoned for three years without supplies and didn't make it

That is still just an assumption though. That's why its a mystery

I think we can rightfully assume they are all dead...It has been 400 years

A small colony without supplies perishing is not that hard to understand. Even without hostile Indians, their chances of dying from disease, starvation or the elements are still high

 

[yiostheoy]

I read somewhere that that either the natives or a virus killed them all.

What year was Roanoke?

Year Of Our Lord 1585.

Roanoke Colony - Wikipedia

 

[TNHarley]

TNHarley
Whenever you're not busy snarking about politicians, do you have any guesses about what happened to them, and does the new stuff on the copper mines or the info on the Dare Stone give you any new ideas?

I don't see what the big mystery is

They established a small settlement in the middle of nowhere. They were abandoned for three years without supplies and didn't make it

That is still just an assumption though. That's why its a mystery

I think we can rightfully assume they are all dead...It has been 400 years

A small colony without supplies perishing is not that hard to understand. Even without hostile Indians, their chances of dying from disease, starvation or the elements are still high

obviously lol
it isn't, but we don't KNOW that's what happened.

 

[yiostheoy]

A small colony without supplies perishing is not that hard to understand. Even without hostile Indians, their chances of dying from disease, starvation or the elements are still high

The presence of hostiles is the tipping point.

The Injuns probably wanted their beautiful females.

Moral of the story:

If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life,
Never make a pretty woman your wife,
So from my personal point of view,
Pick an ugly girl to marry you!

 

[yiostheoy]

 

[rightwinger]

A small colony without supplies perishing is not that hard to understand. Even without hostile Indians, their chances of dying from disease, starvation or the elements are still high

The presence of hostiles is the tipping point.

The Injuns probably wanted their beautiful females.

Moral of the story:

If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life,
Never make a pretty woman your wife,
So from my personal point of view,
Pick an ugly girl to marry you!

Females were probably given a choice
Males were either slaughtered or left to survive on their own with limited skills

 

[rightwinger]

A small colony without supplies perishing is not that hard to understand. Even without hostile Indians, their chances of dying from disease, starvation or the elements are still high

The presence of hostiles is the tipping point.

The Injuns probably wanted their beautiful females.

Moral of the story:

If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life,
Never make a pretty woman your wife,
So from my personal point of view,
Pick an ugly girl to marry you!

Beat you to it

If you want to be happy for the rest of your life....

 

[yiostheoy]

A small colony without supplies perishing is not that hard to understand. Even without hostile Indians, their chances of dying from disease, starvation or the elements are still high

The presence of hostiles is the tipping point.

The Injuns probably wanted their beautiful females.

Moral of the story:

If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life,
Never make a pretty woman your wife,
So from my personal point of view,
Pick an ugly girl to marry you!

Beat you to it

If you want to be happy for the rest of your life....

Definitely a classic.

And ugly girls are just as beautiful in the dark or if you are stone-drunk.

 

[yiostheoy]

A small colony without supplies perishing is not that hard to understand. Even without hostile Indians, their chances of dying from disease, starvation or the elements are still high

The presence of hostiles is the tipping point.

The Injuns probably wanted their beautiful females.

Moral of the story:

If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life,
Never make a pretty woman your wife,
So from my personal point of view,
Pick an ugly girl to marry you!

Females were probably given a choice
Males were either slaughtered or left to survive on their own with limited skills

So you think a wild Injun is going to give a white woman a choice ???

Hilarious !!!

You don't know Injuns like I know Injuns.

You should visit Okalahoma sometime soon.

Even the female Injuns are wild Injuns there.

 

[bodecea]

Roanoke

This is a good read on the subject. I found it quite interesting.

Of course it is well known that the Welsh were the first visitors to America in the shape of Prince Madoc.

The discovery of America - by the welsh prince Madog in the 12th century

Unlike later visitors the welsh assimilated with the locals in the spirit of mutual respect.

All of this was airbrushed from history by those bastard english imperialists.

Vikings beat them by at least 2 centuries.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Roanoke

This is a good read on the subject. I found it quite interesting.

Of course it is well known that the Welsh were the first visitors to America in the shape of Prince Madoc.

The discovery of America - by the welsh prince Madog in the 12th century

Unlike later visitors the welsh assimilated with the locals in the spirit of mutual respect.

All of this was airbrushed from history by those bastard english imperialists.

Vikings beat them by at least 2 centuries.

Allegedly. There is no real evidence to back that up though.
The Welsh version is backed up by centuries of local knowledge. You cant argue with that.

 

[OldLady]

This is what happened to the Roanoke colony. Eleanor and six others were still alive in 1591, the year after her father came back and found them gone. The stone was found upriver on the mainland, not on or near Croatan. Reports of these survivors continuing to live among the natives persisted at least until John Smith began hunting for them in 1607 or so.
That is why it is a mystery. Her husband and child's gravestone is out there somewhere, too, if anyone can figure out where "hither" is.

[Side 1]:

Ananias Dare &
Virginia Went Hence
Unto Heaven 1591
Anye Englishman Shew
John White Govr Via

Side 2]:

Father Soone After You
Goe for England Wee Cam
Hither / Onlie Misarie & Warre
Tow Yeere / Above Halfe Deade ere Tow
Yeere More From Sickenes Beine Foure & Twentie /
Salvage with Message of Shipp Unto Us / Smal
Space of Time they Affrite of Revenge Rann
Al Awaye / Wee Bleeve it Nott You / Soone After
Ye Salvages Faine Spirits Angrie / Suddaine
Murther Al Save Seaven / Mine Childe /
Ananais to Slaine wth Much Misarie /
Burie Al Neere Foure Myles Easte This River
Uppon Small Hil / Names Writ Al Ther
On Rocke / Putt This Ther Alsoe / Salvage
Shew This Unto You & Hither Wee
Promise You to Give Greate
Plentie Presents
EWD

 

[yiostheoy]

It takes a long time to hew a gravestone.

Not something that distressed peoples would normally have time for.

 

[OldLady]

It takes a long time to hew a gravestone.

Not something that distressed peoples would normally have time for.

Not a gravestone, I think--she carved their names on a rock same as she carved the missive to her dad.

 

[TNHarley]

Roanoke

This is a good read on the subject. I found it quite interesting.

Of course it is well known that the Welsh were the first visitors to America in the shape of Prince Madoc.

The discovery of America - by the welsh prince Madog in the 12th century

Unlike later visitors the welsh assimilated with the locals in the spirit of mutual respect.

All of this was airbrushed from history by those bastard english imperialists.

Vikings beat them by at least 2 centuries.

Allegedly. There is no real evidence to back that up though.
The Welsh version is backed up by centuries of local knowledge. You cant argue with that.

Their is a TN version that says it was the Roman Empire. Centuries old. They even made a poem. Cant argue with that!

 

[TNHarley]

This is what happened to the Roanoke colony. Eleanor and six others were still alive in 1591, the year after her father came back and found them gone. The stone was found upriver on the mainland, not on or near Croatan. Reports of these survivors continuing to live among the natives persisted at least until John Smith began hunting for them in 1607 or so.
That is why it is a mystery. Her husband and child's gravestone is out there somewhere, too, if anyone can figure out where "hither" is.

[Side 1]:

Ananias Dare &
Virginia Went Hence
Unto Heaven 1591
Anye Englishman Shew
John White Govr Via

Side 2]:

Father Soone After You
Goe for England Wee Cam
Hither / Onlie Misarie & Warre
Tow Yeere / Above Halfe Deade ere Tow
Yeere More From Sickenes Beine Foure & Twentie /
Salvage with Message of Shipp Unto Us / Smal
Space of Time they Affrite of Revenge Rann
Al Awaye / Wee Bleeve it Nott You / Soone After
Ye Salvages Faine Spirits Angrie / Suddaine
Murther Al Save Seaven / Mine Childe /
Ananais to Slaine wth Much Misarie /
Burie Al Neere Foure Myles Easte This River
Uppon Small Hil / Names Writ Al Ther
On Rocke / Putt This Ther Alsoe / Salvage
Shew This Unto You & Hither Wee
Promise You to Give Greate
Plentie Presents
EWD

I remember reading that those stones were found hundred of miles away form their colony. Crazy that someone would carry a 30 or 40lb stone that far..
Also, it was reported that someone was trying to sell a fake one before the first one was ever found.