London gangs have changed, becoming more organized and more violent....

[2aguy]

Criminals do not stay the same, and they do not keep to the same behaviors over time....sometimes they are more violent, sometimes they are less violent, depending on many, many factors....in Britain..they are becoming more and more violent...

London’s gangs have changed, and it’s driving a surge in pitiless violence | Andrew Whittaker and James Densley

he murder of 14-year-old Jayden Moodie on Tuesday night highlights how youth violence continues to devastate the lives of young people, families and communities in London. Jayden’s death marks a new low point as he is the youngest victim to die on London’s streets so far this year.

We don’t know whether Jayden was himself involved in gangs or if his death was gang-related. All we know is that he was struck by a vehicle while riding a moped, then chased by a group of three men and stabbed to death in what police believe was a targeted attack.
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Our research highlighted that gangs in Waltham Forest today view turf differently; less as symbolic hallowed ground, and more as a marketplace. Gangs are now more focused on profits, not postcodes. Two factors were responsible for this evolution: the ready availability of illicit drugs and the rise of social media.

Gangs had come to reject outward signs of gang membership as “bad for business” because they attracted unwanted attention from law enforcement agencies. They instead grew up and moved on to develop lucrative “county lines” operations in new areas where they were unknown to police.
------

Now, perceived taunts and insults remain live and can be replayed indefinitely, as well as being seen by a large audience of friends and followers. This pressure to perform creates incentives to respond and retaliate, ultimately leading to an escalating prospect of real violence taking place.

Our findings have implications for thinking about rising numbers of violent incidents in London. There were 132 homicides in 2018 – the highest total since 2008.

Whenever violence is gang-related, it is increasingly about protecting drugs markets rather than the honour of the gang.

Although gang-related violence appears to represent a minority share of the violence we have seen in London this year, the fact that gangs have moved indoors and online may mean that more violence is gang-related than is realised.

 

[Andylusion]

Criminals do not stay the same, and they do not keep to the same behaviors over time....sometimes they are more violent, sometimes they are less violent, depending on many, many factors....in Britain..they are becoming more and more violent...

London’s gangs have changed, and it’s driving a surge in pitiless violence | Andrew Whittaker and James Densley

Impossible. That's impossible. We all know that gun control laws would result in everyone living in harmony, because no one would be able to defend themselves with a firearm.

So this simply isn't true, because it can't be true... and therefore it isn't.

 

[2aguy]

Criminals do not stay the same, and they do not keep to the same behaviors over time....sometimes they are more violent, sometimes they are less violent, depending on many, many factors....in Britain..they are becoming more and more violent...

London’s gangs have changed, and it’s driving a surge in pitiless violence | Andrew Whittaker and James Densley

Impossible. That's impossible. We all know that gun control laws would result in everyone living in harmony, because no one would be able to defend themselves with a firearm.

So this simply isn't true, because it can't be true... and therefore it isn't.

I think this is what we saw happen here in the 1960s......gangs went from being local, low level criminals, to organized criminal groups....who then needed ways to enforce their drug turf...which is why the 70s into the 80s turned so violent.......ala Florida......which then enacted concealed carry laws, and the crime went down......along with better police techniques to deal with the new drug gangs...of course, Britain is cutting their police forces and resources....and will likely never let their people protect themselves...

 

[Andylusion]

Criminals do not stay the same, and they do not keep to the same behaviors over time....sometimes they are more violent, sometimes they are less violent, depending on many, many factors....in Britain..they are becoming more and more violent...

London’s gangs have changed, and it’s driving a surge in pitiless violence | Andrew Whittaker and James Densley

Impossible. That's impossible. We all know that gun control laws would result in everyone living in harmony, because no one would be able to defend themselves with a firearm.

So this simply isn't true, because it can't be true... and therefore it isn't.

I think this is what we saw happen here in the 1960s......gangs went from being local, low level criminals, to organized criminal groups....who then needed ways to enforce their drug turf...which is why the 70s into the 80s turned so violent.......ala Florida......which then enacted concealed carry laws, and the crime went down......along with better police techniques to deal with the new drug gangs...of course, Britain is cutting their police forces and resources....and will likely never let their people protect themselves...

Well of course. They bought the left-wing foolishness that it was their gun laws that reduced crime.

So naturally if they have massive gun bans in effect, then why do you need police?
Idiots.

 

[BlackFlag]

Criminals do not stay the same, and they do not keep to the same behaviors over time....sometimes they are more violent, sometimes they are less violent, depending on many, many factors....in Britain..they are becoming more and more violent...

London’s gangs have changed, and it’s driving a surge in pitiless violence | Andrew Whittaker and James Densley

he murder of 14-year-old Jayden Moodie on Tuesday night highlights how youth violence continues to devastate the lives of young people, families and communities in London. Jayden’s death marks a new low point as he is the youngest victim to die on London’s streets so far this year.

We don’t know whether Jayden was himself involved in gangs or if his death was gang-related. All we know is that he was struck by a vehicle while riding a moped, then chased by a group of three men and stabbed to death in what police believe was a targeted attack.
------

Our research highlighted that gangs in Waltham Forest today view turf differently; less as symbolic hallowed ground, and more as a marketplace. Gangs are now more focused on profits, not postcodes. Two factors were responsible for this evolution: the ready availability of illicit drugs and the rise of social media.

Gangs had come to reject outward signs of gang membership as “bad for business” because they attracted unwanted attention from law enforcement agencies. They instead grew up and moved on to develop lucrative “county lines” operations in new areas where they were unknown to police.
------

Now, perceived taunts and insults remain live and can be replayed indefinitely, as well as being seen by a large audience of friends and followers. This pressure to perform creates incentives to respond and retaliate, ultimately leading to an escalating prospect of real violence taking place.

Our findings have implications for thinking about rising numbers of violent incidents in London. There were 132 homicides in 2018 – the highest total since 2008.

Whenever violence is gang-related, it is increasingly about protecting drugs markets rather than the honour of the gang.

Although gang-related violence appears to represent a minority share of the violence we have seen in London this year, the fact that gangs have moved indoors and online may mean that more violence is gang-related than is realised.

Thank goodness it’s not as easy for them to get guns as it is in the U.S.

 

[2aguy]

Criminals do not stay the same, and they do not keep to the same behaviors over time....sometimes they are more violent, sometimes they are less violent, depending on many, many factors....in Britain..they are becoming more and more violent...

London’s gangs have changed, and it’s driving a surge in pitiless violence | Andrew Whittaker and James Densley

he murder of 14-year-old Jayden Moodie on Tuesday night highlights how youth violence continues to devastate the lives of young people, families and communities in London. Jayden’s death marks a new low point as he is the youngest victim to die on London’s streets so far this year.

We don’t know whether Jayden was himself involved in gangs or if his death was gang-related. All we know is that he was struck by a vehicle while riding a moped, then chased by a group of three men and stabbed to death in what police believe was a targeted attack.
------

Our research highlighted that gangs in Waltham Forest today view turf differently; less as symbolic hallowed ground, and more as a marketplace. Gangs are now more focused on profits, not postcodes. Two factors were responsible for this evolution: the ready availability of illicit drugs and the rise of social media.

Gangs had come to reject outward signs of gang membership as “bad for business” because they attracted unwanted attention from law enforcement agencies. They instead grew up and moved on to develop lucrative “county lines” operations in new areas where they were unknown to police.
------

Now, perceived taunts and insults remain live and can be replayed indefinitely, as well as being seen by a large audience of friends and followers. This pressure to perform creates incentives to respond and retaliate, ultimately leading to an escalating prospect of real violence taking place.

Our findings have implications for thinking about rising numbers of violent incidents in London. There were 132 homicides in 2018 – the highest total since 2008.

Whenever violence is gang-related, it is increasingly about protecting drugs markets rather than the honour of the gang.

Although gang-related violence appears to represent a minority share of the violence we have seen in London this year, the fact that gangs have moved indoors and online may mean that more violence is gang-related than is realised.

Thank goodness it’s not as easy for them to get guns as it is in the U.S.

How do you figure that? Ask the British police...they will tell you you are wrong...

Police struggle to stop flood of firearms into UK


Police and border officials are struggling to stop a rising supply of illegal firearms being smuggled into Britain, a senior police chief has warned.

Chief constable Andy Cooke, the national police lead for serious and organised crime, said law enforcement had seen an increased supply of guns over the past year, and feared that it would continue in 2019

The Guardian has learned that the situation is so serious that the National Crime Agency has taken the rare step of using its legal powers to direct every single police force to step up the fight against illegal guns.

The NCA has used tasking powers to direct greater intelligence about firearms to be gathered by all 43 forces in England and Wales.

Another senior law enforcement official said that “new and clean” weapons were now being used in the majority of shootings, as opposed to guns once being so difficult to obtain that they would be “rented out” to be used in multiple crimes.

Cooke, the Merseyside chief constable, told the Guardian: “We in law enforcement expect the rise in new firearms to continue. We are doing all we can. We are not in a position to stop it anytime soon.

“Law enforcement is more joined up now than before, but the scale of the problem is such that despite a number of excellent firearms seizures, I expect the rise in supply to be a continuing issue.”

The increasing supply of guns belies problems with UK border security and innovations by organised crime gangs. Smugglers have increasingly found new ways and innovative routes to get guns past border defences.

And as I keep pointing out to the anti gunners here.....

Cooke said that the dynamics of the streets of British cities had changed and that criminals were more willing to use guns: “If they bring them in people will buy them. It’s a kudos thing for organised criminals.”

Simon Brough, head of firearms at the NCA, said: “The majority of guns being used are new, clean firearms ... which indicates a relatively fluid supply.”

He said shotguns were 40% of the total, with an increase in burglaries to try and steal them.

Handguns are the next biggest category, most often smuggled in from overseas, with ferry ports such as Dover being a popular entry point into the UK for organised crime groups:

“We’re doing a lot to fight back against it,” Brough said, adding that compared to other European countries, the availability in the UK was relatively lower.

 

[BlackFlag]

Criminals do not stay the same, and they do not keep to the same behaviors over time....sometimes they are more violent, sometimes they are less violent, depending on many, many factors....in Britain..they are becoming more and more violent...

London’s gangs have changed, and it’s driving a surge in pitiless violence | Andrew Whittaker and James Densley

he murder of 14-year-old Jayden Moodie on Tuesday night highlights how youth violence continues to devastate the lives of young people, families and communities in London. Jayden’s death marks a new low point as he is the youngest victim to die on London’s streets so far this year.

We don’t know whether Jayden was himself involved in gangs or if his death was gang-related. All we know is that he was struck by a vehicle while riding a moped, then chased by a group of three men and stabbed to death in what police believe was a targeted attack.
------

Our research highlighted that gangs in Waltham Forest today view turf differently; less as symbolic hallowed ground, and more as a marketplace. Gangs are now more focused on profits, not postcodes. Two factors were responsible for this evolution: the ready availability of illicit drugs and the rise of social media.

Gangs had come to reject outward signs of gang membership as “bad for business” because they attracted unwanted attention from law enforcement agencies. They instead grew up and moved on to develop lucrative “county lines” operations in new areas where they were unknown to police.
------

Now, perceived taunts and insults remain live and can be replayed indefinitely, as well as being seen by a large audience of friends and followers. This pressure to perform creates incentives to respond and retaliate, ultimately leading to an escalating prospect of real violence taking place.

Our findings have implications for thinking about rising numbers of violent incidents in London. There were 132 homicides in 2018 – the highest total since 2008.

Whenever violence is gang-related, it is increasingly about protecting drugs markets rather than the honour of the gang.

Although gang-related violence appears to represent a minority share of the violence we have seen in London this year, the fact that gangs have moved indoors and online may mean that more violence is gang-related than is realised.

Thank goodness it’s not as easy for them to get guns as it is in the U.S.

How do you figure that? Ask the British police...they will tell you you are wrong...

Police struggle to stop flood of firearms into UK


Police and border officials are struggling to stop a rising supply of illegal firearms being smuggled into Britain, a senior police chief has warned.

Chief constable Andy Cooke, the national police lead for serious and organised crime, said law enforcement had seen an increased supply of guns over the past year, and feared that it would continue in 2019

The Guardian has learned that the situation is so serious that the National Crime Agency has taken the rare step of using its legal powers to direct every single police force to step up the fight against illegal guns.

The NCA has used tasking powers to direct greater intelligence about firearms to be gathered by all 43 forces in England and Wales.

Another senior law enforcement official said that “new and clean” weapons were now being used in the majority of shootings, as opposed to guns once being so difficult to obtain that they would be “rented out” to be used in multiple crimes.

Cooke, the Merseyside chief constable, told the Guardian: “We in law enforcement expect the rise in new firearms to continue. We are doing all we can. We are not in a position to stop it anytime soon.

“Law enforcement is more joined up now than before, but the scale of the problem is such that despite a number of excellent firearms seizures, I expect the rise in supply to be a continuing issue.”

The increasing supply of guns belies problems with UK border security and innovations by organised crime gangs. Smugglers have increasingly found new ways and innovative routes to get guns past border defences.

And as I keep pointing out to the anti gunners here.....

Cooke said that the dynamics of the streets of British cities had changed and that criminals were more willing to use guns: “If they bring them in people will buy them. It’s a kudos thing for organised criminals.”

Simon Brough, head of firearms at the NCA, said: “The majority of guns being used are new, clean firearms ... which indicates a relatively fluid supply.”

He said shotguns were 40% of the total, with an increase in burglaries to try and steal them.

Handguns are the next biggest category, most often smuggled in from overseas, with ferry ports such as Dover being a popular entry point into the UK for organised crime groups:

“We’re doing a lot to fight back against it,” Brough said, adding that compared to other European countries, the availability in the UK was relatively lower.

In Britian they have to risk their lives to get guns by going to the black market. In the U.S., they could all be armed and gunning each other down with no difficulty.

 

[2aguy]

Criminals do not stay the same, and they do not keep to the same behaviors over time....sometimes they are more violent, sometimes they are less violent, depending on many, many factors....in Britain..they are becoming more and more violent...

London’s gangs have changed, and it’s driving a surge in pitiless violence | Andrew Whittaker and James Densley

he murder of 14-year-old Jayden Moodie on Tuesday night highlights how youth violence continues to devastate the lives of young people, families and communities in London. Jayden’s death marks a new low point as he is the youngest victim to die on London’s streets so far this year.

We don’t know whether Jayden was himself involved in gangs or if his death was gang-related. All we know is that he was struck by a vehicle while riding a moped, then chased by a group of three men and stabbed to death in what police believe was a targeted attack.
------

Our research highlighted that gangs in Waltham Forest today view turf differently; less as symbolic hallowed ground, and more as a marketplace. Gangs are now more focused on profits, not postcodes. Two factors were responsible for this evolution: the ready availability of illicit drugs and the rise of social media.

Gangs had come to reject outward signs of gang membership as “bad for business” because they attracted unwanted attention from law enforcement agencies. They instead grew up and moved on to develop lucrative “county lines” operations in new areas where they were unknown to police.
------

Now, perceived taunts and insults remain live and can be replayed indefinitely, as well as being seen by a large audience of friends and followers. This pressure to perform creates incentives to respond and retaliate, ultimately leading to an escalating prospect of real violence taking place.

Our findings have implications for thinking about rising numbers of violent incidents in London. There were 132 homicides in 2018 – the highest total since 2008.

Whenever violence is gang-related, it is increasingly about protecting drugs markets rather than the honour of the gang.

Although gang-related violence appears to represent a minority share of the violence we have seen in London this year, the fact that gangs have moved indoors and online may mean that more violence is gang-related than is realised.

Thank goodness it’s not as easy for them to get guns as it is in the U.S.

How do you figure that? Ask the British police...they will tell you you are wrong...

Police struggle to stop flood of firearms into UK


Police and border officials are struggling to stop a rising supply of illegal firearms being smuggled into Britain, a senior police chief has warned.

Chief constable Andy Cooke, the national police lead for serious and organised crime, said law enforcement had seen an increased supply of guns over the past year, and feared that it would continue in 2019

The Guardian has learned that the situation is so serious that the National Crime Agency has taken the rare step of using its legal powers to direct every single police force to step up the fight against illegal guns.

The NCA has used tasking powers to direct greater intelligence about firearms to be gathered by all 43 forces in England and Wales.

Another senior law enforcement official said that “new and clean” weapons were now being used in the majority of shootings, as opposed to guns once being so difficult to obtain that they would be “rented out” to be used in multiple crimes.

Cooke, the Merseyside chief constable, told the Guardian: “We in law enforcement expect the rise in new firearms to continue. We are doing all we can. We are not in a position to stop it anytime soon.

“Law enforcement is more joined up now than before, but the scale of the problem is such that despite a number of excellent firearms seizures, I expect the rise in supply to be a continuing issue.”

The increasing supply of guns belies problems with UK border security and innovations by organised crime gangs. Smugglers have increasingly found new ways and innovative routes to get guns past border defences.

And as I keep pointing out to the anti gunners here.....

Cooke said that the dynamics of the streets of British cities had changed and that criminals were more willing to use guns: “If they bring them in people will buy them. It’s a kudos thing for organised criminals.”

Simon Brough, head of firearms at the NCA, said: “The majority of guns being used are new, clean firearms ... which indicates a relatively fluid supply.”

He said shotguns were 40% of the total, with an increase in burglaries to try and steal them.

Handguns are the next biggest category, most often smuggled in from overseas, with ferry ports such as Dover being a popular entry point into the UK for organised crime groups:

“We’re doing a lot to fight back against it,” Brough said, adding that compared to other European countries, the availability in the UK was relatively lower.

In Britian they have to risk their lives to get guns by going to the black market. In the U.S., they could all be armed and gunning each other down with no difficulty.

And you are wrong, again. Criminals in the U.S. can't legally buy their guns either. They get them illegally, just like in Britain.

 

[BlackFlag]

Criminals do not stay the same, and they do not keep to the same behaviors over time....sometimes they are more violent, sometimes they are less violent, depending on many, many factors....in Britain..they are becoming more and more violent...

London’s gangs have changed, and it’s driving a surge in pitiless violence | Andrew Whittaker and James Densley

he murder of 14-year-old Jayden Moodie on Tuesday night highlights how youth violence continues to devastate the lives of young people, families and communities in London. Jayden’s death marks a new low point as he is the youngest victim to die on London’s streets so far this year.

We don’t know whether Jayden was himself involved in gangs or if his death was gang-related. All we know is that he was struck by a vehicle while riding a moped, then chased by a group of three men and stabbed to death in what police believe was a targeted attack.
------

Our research highlighted that gangs in Waltham Forest today view turf differently; less as symbolic hallowed ground, and more as a marketplace. Gangs are now more focused on profits, not postcodes. Two factors were responsible for this evolution: the ready availability of illicit drugs and the rise of social media.

Gangs had come to reject outward signs of gang membership as “bad for business” because they attracted unwanted attention from law enforcement agencies. They instead grew up and moved on to develop lucrative “county lines” operations in new areas where they were unknown to police.
------

Now, perceived taunts and insults remain live and can be replayed indefinitely, as well as being seen by a large audience of friends and followers. This pressure to perform creates incentives to respond and retaliate, ultimately leading to an escalating prospect of real violence taking place.

Our findings have implications for thinking about rising numbers of violent incidents in London. There were 132 homicides in 2018 – the highest total since 2008.

Whenever violence is gang-related, it is increasingly about protecting drugs markets rather than the honour of the gang.

Although gang-related violence appears to represent a minority share of the violence we have seen in London this year, the fact that gangs have moved indoors and online may mean that more violence is gang-related than is realised.

Thank goodness it’s not as easy for them to get guns as it is in the U.S.

How do you figure that? Ask the British police...they will tell you you are wrong...

Police struggle to stop flood of firearms into UK


Police and border officials are struggling to stop a rising supply of illegal firearms being smuggled into Britain, a senior police chief has warned.

Chief constable Andy Cooke, the national police lead for serious and organised crime, said law enforcement had seen an increased supply of guns over the past year, and feared that it would continue in 2019

The Guardian has learned that the situation is so serious that the National Crime Agency has taken the rare step of using its legal powers to direct every single police force to step up the fight against illegal guns.

The NCA has used tasking powers to direct greater intelligence about firearms to be gathered by all 43 forces in England and Wales.

Another senior law enforcement official said that “new and clean” weapons were now being used in the majority of shootings, as opposed to guns once being so difficult to obtain that they would be “rented out” to be used in multiple crimes.

Cooke, the Merseyside chief constable, told the Guardian: “We in law enforcement expect the rise in new firearms to continue. We are doing all we can. We are not in a position to stop it anytime soon.

“Law enforcement is more joined up now than before, but the scale of the problem is such that despite a number of excellent firearms seizures, I expect the rise in supply to be a continuing issue.”

The increasing supply of guns belies problems with UK border security and innovations by organised crime gangs. Smugglers have increasingly found new ways and innovative routes to get guns past border defences.

And as I keep pointing out to the anti gunners here.....

Cooke said that the dynamics of the streets of British cities had changed and that criminals were more willing to use guns: “If they bring them in people will buy them. It’s a kudos thing for organised criminals.”

Simon Brough, head of firearms at the NCA, said: “The majority of guns being used are new, clean firearms ... which indicates a relatively fluid supply.”

He said shotguns were 40% of the total, with an increase in burglaries to try and steal them.

Handguns are the next biggest category, most often smuggled in from overseas, with ferry ports such as Dover being a popular entry point into the UK for organised crime groups:

“We’re doing a lot to fight back against it,” Brough said, adding that compared to other European countries, the availability in the UK was relatively lower.

In Britian they have to risk their lives to get guns by going to the black market. In the U.S., they could all be armed and gunning each other down with no difficulty.

And you are wrong, again. Criminals in the U.S. can't legally buy their guns either. They get them illegally, just like in Britain.

There are over 400 million guns in the U.S. and multiple ways to buy a gun without a background check. If you’re a criminal in the U.S. and you’re NOT using a gun in your crimes, then you must be retarded.

 

[2aguy]

Criminals do not stay the same, and they do not keep to the same behaviors over time....sometimes they are more violent, sometimes they are less violent, depending on many, many factors....in Britain..they are becoming more and more violent...

London’s gangs have changed, and it’s driving a surge in pitiless violence | Andrew Whittaker and James Densley

he murder of 14-year-old Jayden Moodie on Tuesday night highlights how youth violence continues to devastate the lives of young people, families and communities in London. Jayden’s death marks a new low point as he is the youngest victim to die on London’s streets so far this year.

We don’t know whether Jayden was himself involved in gangs or if his death was gang-related. All we know is that he was struck by a vehicle while riding a moped, then chased by a group of three men and stabbed to death in what police believe was a targeted attack.
------

Our research highlighted that gangs in Waltham Forest today view turf differently; less as symbolic hallowed ground, and more as a marketplace. Gangs are now more focused on profits, not postcodes. Two factors were responsible for this evolution: the ready availability of illicit drugs and the rise of social media.

Gangs had come to reject outward signs of gang membership as “bad for business” because they attracted unwanted attention from law enforcement agencies. They instead grew up and moved on to develop lucrative “county lines” operations in new areas where they were unknown to police.
------

Now, perceived taunts and insults remain live and can be replayed indefinitely, as well as being seen by a large audience of friends and followers. This pressure to perform creates incentives to respond and retaliate, ultimately leading to an escalating prospect of real violence taking place.

Our findings have implications for thinking about rising numbers of violent incidents in London. There were 132 homicides in 2018 – the highest total since 2008.

Whenever violence is gang-related, it is increasingly about protecting drugs markets rather than the honour of the gang.

Although gang-related violence appears to represent a minority share of the violence we have seen in London this year, the fact that gangs have moved indoors and online may mean that more violence is gang-related than is realised.

Thank goodness it’s not as easy for them to get guns as it is in the U.S.

How do you figure that? Ask the British police...they will tell you you are wrong...

Police struggle to stop flood of firearms into UK


Police and border officials are struggling to stop a rising supply of illegal firearms being smuggled into Britain, a senior police chief has warned.

Chief constable Andy Cooke, the national police lead for serious and organised crime, said law enforcement had seen an increased supply of guns over the past year, and feared that it would continue in 2019

The Guardian has learned that the situation is so serious that the National Crime Agency has taken the rare step of using its legal powers to direct every single police force to step up the fight against illegal guns.

The NCA has used tasking powers to direct greater intelligence about firearms to be gathered by all 43 forces in England and Wales.

Another senior law enforcement official said that “new and clean” weapons were now being used in the majority of shootings, as opposed to guns once being so difficult to obtain that they would be “rented out” to be used in multiple crimes.

Cooke, the Merseyside chief constable, told the Guardian: “We in law enforcement expect the rise in new firearms to continue. We are doing all we can. We are not in a position to stop it anytime soon.

“Law enforcement is more joined up now than before, but the scale of the problem is such that despite a number of excellent firearms seizures, I expect the rise in supply to be a continuing issue.”

The increasing supply of guns belies problems with UK border security and innovations by organised crime gangs. Smugglers have increasingly found new ways and innovative routes to get guns past border defences.

And as I keep pointing out to the anti gunners here.....

Cooke said that the dynamics of the streets of British cities had changed and that criminals were more willing to use guns: “If they bring them in people will buy them. It’s a kudos thing for organised criminals.”

Simon Brough, head of firearms at the NCA, said: “The majority of guns being used are new, clean firearms ... which indicates a relatively fluid supply.”

He said shotguns were 40% of the total, with an increase in burglaries to try and steal them.

Handguns are the next biggest category, most often smuggled in from overseas, with ferry ports such as Dover being a popular entry point into the UK for organised crime groups:

“We’re doing a lot to fight back against it,” Brough said, adding that compared to other European countries, the availability in the UK was relatively lower.

In Britian they have to risk their lives to get guns by going to the black market. In the U.S., they could all be armed and gunning each other down with no difficulty.

And you are wrong, again. Criminals in the U.S. can't legally buy their guns either. They get them illegally, just like in Britain.

There are over 400 million guns in the U.S. and multiple ways to buy a gun without a background check. If you’re a criminal in the U.S. and you’re NOT using a gun in your crimes, then you must be retarded.

Yes...criminals get around current, federally mandated background checks...they use straw buyers..people who can pass a background check, or they steal the gun...

Apparently, in Britain, their criminals are getting illegal guns without background checks too....since you can't own handguns there, but they are getting them anyway...

 

[BlackFlag]

Thank goodness it’s not as easy for them to get guns as it is in the U.S.

How do you figure that? Ask the British police...they will tell you you are wrong...

Police struggle to stop flood of firearms into UK


Police and border officials are struggling to stop a rising supply of illegal firearms being smuggled into Britain, a senior police chief has warned.

Chief constable Andy Cooke, the national police lead for serious and organised crime, said law enforcement had seen an increased supply of guns over the past year, and feared that it would continue in 2019

The Guardian has learned that the situation is so serious that the National Crime Agency has taken the rare step of using its legal powers to direct every single police force to step up the fight against illegal guns.

The NCA has used tasking powers to direct greater intelligence about firearms to be gathered by all 43 forces in England and Wales.

Another senior law enforcement official said that “new and clean” weapons were now being used in the majority of shootings, as opposed to guns once being so difficult to obtain that they would be “rented out” to be used in multiple crimes.

Cooke, the Merseyside chief constable, told the Guardian: “We in law enforcement expect the rise in new firearms to continue. We are doing all we can. We are not in a position to stop it anytime soon.

“Law enforcement is more joined up now than before, but the scale of the problem is such that despite a number of excellent firearms seizures, I expect the rise in supply to be a continuing issue.”

The increasing supply of guns belies problems with UK border security and innovations by organised crime gangs. Smugglers have increasingly found new ways and innovative routes to get guns past border defences.

And as I keep pointing out to the anti gunners here.....

Cooke said that the dynamics of the streets of British cities had changed and that criminals were more willing to use guns: “If they bring them in people will buy them. It’s a kudos thing for organised criminals.”

Simon Brough, head of firearms at the NCA, said: “The majority of guns being used are new, clean firearms ... which indicates a relatively fluid supply.”

He said shotguns were 40% of the total, with an increase in burglaries to try and steal them.

Handguns are the next biggest category, most often smuggled in from overseas, with ferry ports such as Dover being a popular entry point into the UK for organised crime groups:

“We’re doing a lot to fight back against it,” Brough said, adding that compared to other European countries, the availability in the UK was relatively lower.

In Britian they have to risk their lives to get guns by going to the black market. In the U.S., they could all be armed and gunning each other down with no difficulty.

And you are wrong, again. Criminals in the U.S. can't legally buy their guns either. They get them illegally, just like in Britain.

There are over 400 million guns in the U.S. and multiple ways to buy a gun without a background check. If you’re a criminal in the U.S. and you’re NOT using a gun in your crimes, then you must be retarded.

Yes...criminals get around current, federally mandated background checks...they use straw buyers..people who can pass a background check, or they steal the gun...

Apparently, in Britain, their criminals are getting illegal guns without background checks too....since you can't own handguns there, but they are getting them anyway...

With much more difficulty, as Britain has never suffered a centuries long lust for guns. Do not wish that on them.

 

[2aguy]

How do you figure that? Ask the British police...they will tell you you are wrong...

Police struggle to stop flood of firearms into UK


Police and border officials are struggling to stop a rising supply of illegal firearms being smuggled into Britain, a senior police chief has warned.

Chief constable Andy Cooke, the national police lead for serious and organised crime, said law enforcement had seen an increased supply of guns over the past year, and feared that it would continue in 2019

The Guardian has learned that the situation is so serious that the National Crime Agency has taken the rare step of using its legal powers to direct every single police force to step up the fight against illegal guns.

The NCA has used tasking powers to direct greater intelligence about firearms to be gathered by all 43 forces in England and Wales.

Another senior law enforcement official said that “new and clean” weapons were now being used in the majority of shootings, as opposed to guns once being so difficult to obtain that they would be “rented out” to be used in multiple crimes.

Cooke, the Merseyside chief constable, told the Guardian: “We in law enforcement expect the rise in new firearms to continue. We are doing all we can. We are not in a position to stop it anytime soon.

“Law enforcement is more joined up now than before, but the scale of the problem is such that despite a number of excellent firearms seizures, I expect the rise in supply to be a continuing issue.”

The increasing supply of guns belies problems with UK border security and innovations by organised crime gangs. Smugglers have increasingly found new ways and innovative routes to get guns past border defences.

And as I keep pointing out to the anti gunners here.....

Cooke said that the dynamics of the streets of British cities had changed and that criminals were more willing to use guns: “If they bring them in people will buy them. It’s a kudos thing for organised criminals.”

Simon Brough, head of firearms at the NCA, said: “The majority of guns being used are new, clean firearms ... which indicates a relatively fluid supply.”

He said shotguns were 40% of the total, with an increase in burglaries to try and steal them.

Handguns are the next biggest category, most often smuggled in from overseas, with ferry ports such as Dover being a popular entry point into the UK for organised crime groups:

“We’re doing a lot to fight back against it,” Brough said, adding that compared to other European countries, the availability in the UK was relatively lower.

In Britian they have to risk their lives to get guns by going to the black market. In the U.S., they could all be armed and gunning each other down with no difficulty.

And you are wrong, again. Criminals in the U.S. can't legally buy their guns either. They get them illegally, just like in Britain.

There are over 400 million guns in the U.S. and multiple ways to buy a gun without a background check. If you’re a criminal in the U.S. and you’re NOT using a gun in your crimes, then you must be retarded.

Yes...criminals get around current, federally mandated background checks...they use straw buyers..people who can pass a background check, or they steal the gun...

Apparently, in Britain, their criminals are getting illegal guns without background checks too....since you can't own handguns there, but they are getting them anyway...

With much more difficulty, as Britain has never suffered a centuries long lust for guns. Do not wish that on them.

No, not with more difficulty...since they are reducing their police man power and resources....and why not wish less crime on Britain....as more Americans own and carry guns our gun murder rate went down 49%....our gun crime rate went down 75%...their gun crime rate keeps going up.....our violent crime rate is down 72%...their violent crime rate is up 94% in some areas of Britain.....guns are obviously not the driving force in crime, since guns in the hands of law abiding citizens does not increase any of the crime rates, including murder.....

You have no argument.

 

[BlackFlag]

In Britian they have to risk their lives to get guns by going to the black market. In the U.S., they could all be armed and gunning each other down with no difficulty.

And you are wrong, again. Criminals in the U.S. can't legally buy their guns either. They get them illegally, just like in Britain.

There are over 400 million guns in the U.S. and multiple ways to buy a gun without a background check. If you’re a criminal in the U.S. and you’re NOT using a gun in your crimes, then you must be retarded.

Yes...criminals get around current, federally mandated background checks...they use straw buyers..people who can pass a background check, or they steal the gun...

Apparently, in Britain, their criminals are getting illegal guns without background checks too....since you can't own handguns there, but they are getting them anyway...

With much more difficulty, as Britain has never suffered a centuries long lust for guns. Do not wish that on them.

No, not with more difficulty...since they are reducing their police man power and resources....and why not wish less crime on Britain....as more Americans own and carry guns our gun murder rate went down 49%....our gun crime rate went down 75%...their gun crime rate keeps going up.....our violent crime rate is down 72%...their violent crime rate is up 94% in some areas of Britain.....guns are obviously not the driving force in crime, since guns in the hands of law abiding citizens does not increase any of the crime rates, including murder.....

You have no argument.

The murder and gun crime rates are my argument. I do not wish our plague of guns on any other country.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

You know nothing about British criminal gangs. They have always been ruthless criminals. Google the Krays and Richardsons.
And once again the stats underline that our gun control laws work and the UK is many times safer than the US. The whole civilised world is safer than the US.

 

[2aguy]

And you are wrong, again. Criminals in the U.S. can't legally buy their guns either. They get them illegally, just like in Britain.

There are over 400 million guns in the U.S. and multiple ways to buy a gun without a background check. If you’re a criminal in the U.S. and you’re NOT using a gun in your crimes, then you must be retarded.

Yes...criminals get around current, federally mandated background checks...they use straw buyers..people who can pass a background check, or they steal the gun...

Apparently, in Britain, their criminals are getting illegal guns without background checks too....since you can't own handguns there, but they are getting them anyway...

With much more difficulty, as Britain has never suffered a centuries long lust for guns. Do not wish that on them.

No, not with more difficulty...since they are reducing their police man power and resources....and why not wish less crime on Britain....as more Americans own and carry guns our gun murder rate went down 49%....our gun crime rate went down 75%...their gun crime rate keeps going up.....our violent crime rate is down 72%...their violent crime rate is up 94% in some areas of Britain.....guns are obviously not the driving force in crime, since guns in the hands of law abiding citizens does not increase any of the crime rates, including murder.....

You have no argument.

The murder and gun crime rates are my argument. I do not wish our plague of guns on any other country.

Then you have no argument since one is not connected to the other....Britain had a low murder rate before they banned guns......they banned guns....the gun murder rate skyrocketed for 10 years after the ban, and now it has returned to the same level it was at before the ban...showing that criminals in Britain, with illegal guns, don't commit murder...

The two issues aren't related....

What plague of guns in this country? You should say plague of criminals who are let out of jail by democrats over and over again, since over the last 26 years, as more Americans own and actually carry guns, our gun murder rate dropped 49%.....showing that your argument doesn't hold water.......

How do you explain our gun murder rate going down as more people not only own guns but even more people are carrying them for self defense......? Please explain....

 

[2aguy]

You know nothing about British criminal gangs. They have always been ruthless criminals. Google the Krays and Richardsons.
And once again the stats underline that our gun control laws work and the UK is many times safer than the US. The whole civilised world is safer than the US.

Dip stick......I didn't write the story...your press did.....you doofus.....

 

[Tommy Tainant]

You know nothing about British criminal gangs. They have always been ruthless criminals. Google the Krays and Richardsons.
And once again the stats underline that our gun control laws work and the UK is many times safer than the US. The whole civilised world is safer than the US.

Dip stick......I didn't write the story...your press did.....you doofus.....

Fake news.Guns dont make you safe. Any dickhead knows that.

 

[2aguy]

You know nothing about British criminal gangs. They have always been ruthless criminals. Google the Krays and Richardsons.
And once again the stats underline that our gun control laws work and the UK is many times safer than the US. The whole civilised world is safer than the US.

Dip stick......I didn't write the story...your press did.....you doofus.....

Fake news.Guns dont make you safe. Any dickhead knows that.

Than you are dickhead who doesn't understand the issue...

Please....for once, please explain how more Americans now own and actually carry guns over the last 26 years....that would be a 26 year period of actual experience with increasing gun ownership.......and our gun murder rate went down 49%....that would mean more safety, not less.....

Our gun crime rate in this time period went down 75%.......that would be more safety, not less.......

Our violent crime rate in this time period went down 72%...that would be more safety not less...

How do you post what you post and think you are posting anything even remotely truthful?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

You know nothing about British criminal gangs. They have always been ruthless criminals. Google the Krays and Richardsons.
And once again the stats underline that our gun control laws work and the UK is many times safer than the US. The whole civilised world is safer than the US.

Dip stick......I didn't write the story...your press did.....you doofus.....

Fake news.Guns dont make you safe. Any dickhead knows that.

Than you are dickhead who doesn't understand the issue...

Please....for once, please explain how more Americans now own and actually carry guns over the last 26 years....that would be a 26 year period of actual experience with increasing gun ownership.......and our gun murder rate went down 49%....that would mean more safety, not less.....

Our gun crime rate in this time period went down 75%.......that would be more safety, not less.......

Our violent crime rate in this time period went down 72%...that would be more safety not less...

How do you post what you post and think you are posting anything even remotely truthful?

Your murder rate went down so that it is only 5 times greater than ours.
Duh.
It went from scandalous to shit. Its not something for you to take pride in.

 

[2aguy]

You know nothing about British criminal gangs. They have always been ruthless criminals. Google the Krays and Richardsons.
And once again the stats underline that our gun control laws work and the UK is many times safer than the US. The whole civilised world is safer than the US.

Dip stick......I didn't write the story...your press did.....you doofus.....

Fake news.Guns dont make you safe. Any dickhead knows that.

Than you are dickhead who doesn't understand the issue...

Please....for once, please explain how more Americans now own and actually carry guns over the last 26 years....that would be a 26 year period of actual experience with increasing gun ownership.......and our gun murder rate went down 49%....that would mean more safety, not less.....

Our gun crime rate in this time period went down 75%.......that would be more safety, not less.......

Our violent crime rate in this time period went down 72%...that would be more safety not less...

How do you post what you post and think you are posting anything even remotely truthful?

Your murder rate went down so that it is only 5 times greater than ours.
Duh.
It went from scandalous to shit. Its not something for you to take pride in.

It went down...something you say can't happen if more people have guns.....

Again, our gun crime and gun murder rate is due to democrat politicians, judges and prosecutors who continually release known, violent, gun offenders back on our streets......it has nothing to do with law abiding gun ownership...as our drop in gun murder and gun crime show.....

Meanwhile...your gun crime rate is going up....our murder rate is going up.....your violent crime rate is going up...

You are doing it wrong.....