Aba Incieni
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Sounds like an idea that will really catch on with Americans. Those Dems sure have their fingers on the pulse.
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Perhaps in your world, but in mine I can take a shit and wipe my ass without the government telling me to. If you observe behavior that is counterproductive to the ensuring the appropriate accountability within the workplace, and do nothing, you are the problem. Don't wuss out and try to blame anyone else, take some responsibility, because the government isn't going to do anything other than screw everyone in the longrun.In fact, it says more about the people in the industry that knew what was going on and didn't do anything about it. If you want to claim you are in the industry and knew how to fix it, and didn't do what was necessary to accomplish that
Not at all, businesses exist to make money according to whatever the laws or regs are. It's not their responsibility to solve anything, that's totally on the gov't. It is also the responsibility of the media/press to identify and publicize what's going on and create public scrutiny on whatever the issue is. You should not be blaming private enterprise for the failures of gov't and/or the media.
I'm not claiming anything, I'm just pointing out what happened and what could have prevented it.
I know these facts don't match shallow partisan talking points, but that's not my problem.
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Perhaps in your world, but in mine I can take a shit and wipe my ass without the government telling me to. If you observe behavior that is counterproductive to the ensuring the appropriate accountability within the workplace, and do nothing, you are the problem. Don't wuss out and try to blame anyone else, take some responsibility, because the government isn't going to do anything other than screw everyone in the longrun.In fact, it says more about the people in the industry that knew what was going on and didn't do anything about it. If you want to claim you are in the industry and knew how to fix it, and didn't do what was necessary to accomplish that
Not at all, businesses exist to make money according to whatever the laws or regs are. It's not their responsibility to solve anything, that's totally on the gov't. It is also the responsibility of the media/press to identify and publicize what's going on and create public scrutiny on whatever the issue is. You should not be blaming private enterprise for the failures of gov't and/or the media.
People know what they should be doing, and most know when things are wrong. Those people are one that will make a difference.And who gets to determine what "appropriate accountability" is, or what constitutes "behavior that is counter-productive"? The federal gov't? Fuck that, what Warren's legislation ultimately does is ramp up the crony capitalism where the big guys buy as much support as they can from the pols.
In my world, businesses already have accountability, you make a profit or you're out of business. You better make a decent product for a decent price, or nobody is going to buy it. You think we don't already have all sorts of agencies to make sure the product is safe to use or consume? And in the workplace, we've already got plenty of rules, laws, and regulations to protect the workers and also the customers and competitors from unfair business practices and unsafe conditions. And on top of that, we've got the media who will scream and holler about environmental concerns or which CEO gets a compensation package that appears to be more than he's worth.
You amaze me, man. You say "the government isn't going to do anything other than screw everyone in the long-run", and yet you want these guys sticking their noses into the running of private businesses? The gov't fucks up everything it touches, makes it harder and more expensive to do anything. What do you think a big company or corp is going to do if/when Congress says no, you ain't getting a charter? They're going to haul ass for Mexico or Ireland or somewhere else. What Warren is talking about is the beginning of socializing American business; not all at once, but step by step. The good news is, this shit ain't going nowhere. If it ever does, we are really and truly fucked.
Yeah, not good if that's true. And I think it would be a good idea to keep tabs on that kind of thing an ongoing basis, especially for people who are just getting started. What concerns me is that we just wipe out regulations just to wipe them out and throw the baby out with the bathwater.To me the issue is not the number of the regulations, but the nature and scope of each individual regulation. So I'm not real fond of that two-for-one thing. Two whats for one what? What is the actual net trade-off here?
JP Morgan did a study a few years ago that concluded it is now harder to start a business in America than it is in France.
France.
They concluded that America now ranks in the lower half of the OECD in the ease of starting a business.
That's not entirely government's fault. Much is also due to the licensing and self-regulations of industry. The example they used was that it now takes three certifications and regulatory approvals to start a nail care business in the state of Georgia.
But government regulation of business is certainly a big part of it.
Business formation has been anemic compared to past decades.
Wow, Lizzy. All I can say is cowabunga!
Their historical track record of abuse, cutting corners on safety and profiteering on people with no restraint is why I say that.Why do you think they need controlled?The political process is HOW we control the grotesquely wealthy corporations. They have no right of self defense.
Then that company is foolish for hiring such Nimrods.99% of employees are selfish bastards who have no give a fuck for the money that went into the business they work for, nor for the future of that business. The other 1% of employees become well paid CEO's and managers who's opinions and direction/guidance the businesses become dependent upon for survival. IF the 99% could handle "regulating socially proper" businesses, they'd be CEO's and managers already - there's a damned good reason they are not - see first sentence. The fact that these 99% incompetent selfish twits think they know best for either businesses or society, or the economy at large, just makes me laugh.
Warrens ideas dont go far enough.
... CEO and other officers that have more than 40x the average salary of their own workforce should have a special 50% windfall income tax.
That's very leftist of you, Jim.
Yep. That's why it needs careful, efficient, flexible, effective regulation to reach its best potential.Warrens ideas dont go far enough.
... CEO and other officers that have more than 40x the average salary of their own workforce should have a special 50% windfall income tax.
That's very leftist of you, Jim.
One of the greatest weaknesses of Capitalism is that Capitalists are so damned greedy.
They will over hunt a species into extinction and put themselves out of business or havce to sail twice as far out to get inferior fish compared to what they had.
Capitalists will strip mine a mountain and leave a valley full of pollution.
Capitalists will abhuse their employees until they form unions or go full Marxist and then lose repeatedly at the polls.
Capitalists will bribe rating agencioes like Moodys to just give their crap AAA ratings and pass it on down full well knowing the damage it would later cause the markets.
Capitalists are hungry swine that bring us bacon but you have to cull the herd to get to it.
Corporations don’t “ run around “ unfettered by regulations. 2008 wasn’t about capitalism.If we let these corporations to run around unfettered by regs or law, the people of our country will increasingly reject capitalism. 2008 has done irreparable harm to the image of capitalism and we need to hobble these CEOs so they dont do even worse.More of that "democratic socialism"
No thanks....and her act doesn't have a prayer