List all of the programs the GOP wants to Defund. Then ask..

[ClosedCaption]

...and then what?

Defund the Dept of Education and then what? Charters that arent in business will take all the left over students? Or everyone will suddenly stop working to home school their kids? I dont know...So I'm asking

Defund Planned Parenthood and then what? Adoptions of American children will suddenly go through the roof? People will stop having sex once they realize they cant get free condoms? Since most women seeking abortions already have one child what should they do if they cannot care for the child?

The Republican or Conservative answer never seem to acknowledge what is inevitable from cutting or defunding any number of programs (Medicare, Medicade, SS, Welfare, Unemployment etc). The only thing that is done is mock those positions. Like "Oh no! If we cut medicare old people will be eating dog food!" They never say that this is wrong they just mock it.

I just listened to waaaay too much Limbaugh and Hannity this afternoon. But mocking that position without explaining why this is worthy to be mocked seems empty.

"Waaaaa the house will burn down if you set a fire in the living room!" type mocking. Then never explain why the fire they want to set wont cause the house to burn. Their solution to everything is "freedom" "liberty" "make me feel good".

 

[KissMy]

The dummycrat run public school indoctrination system is a complete sham!

WSJ: We've Become a Nation of Takers, Not Makers

Today in America there are nearly twice as many people working for the government (22.5 million) than in all of manufacturing (11.5 million). This is an almost exact reversal of the situation in 1960, when there were 15 million workers in manufacturing and 8.7 million collecting a paycheck from the government.

It gets worse. More Americans work for the government than work in construction, farming, fishing, forestry, manufacturing, mining and utilities combined. We have moved decisively from a nation of makers to a nation of takers. Nearly half of the $2.2 trillion cost of state and local governments is the $1 trillion-a-year tab for pay and benefits of state and local employees. Is it any wonder that so many states and cities cannot pay their bills?...

Don't expect a reversal of this trend anytime soon. "Surveys of college graduates are finding that more and more of our top minds want to work for the government"...

The employment trends described here are explained in part by hugely beneficial productivity improvements in such traditional industries as farming, manufacturing, financial services and telecommunications. These produce far more output per worker than in the past. The typical farmer, for example, is today at least three times more productive than in 1950.

Where are the productivity gains in government? Consider a core function of state and local governments: schools. Over the period 1970-2005, school spending per pupil, adjusted for inflation, doubled, while standardized achievement test scores were flat. Over roughly that same time period, public-school employment doubled per student, according to a study by researchers at the University of Washington. That is what economists call negative productivity.

But education is an industry where we measure performance backwards: We gauge school performance not by outputs, but by inputs. If quality falls, we say we didn't pay teachers enough or we need smaller class sizes or newer schools. If education had undergone the same productivity revolution that manufacturing has, we would have half as many educators, smaller school budgets, and higher graduation rates and test scores.

The same is true of almost all other government services. Mass transit spends more and more every year and yet a much smaller share of Americans use trains and buses today than in past decades. One way that private companies spur productivity is by firing underperforming employees and rewarding excellence. In government employment, tenure for teachers and near lifetime employment for other civil servants shields workers from this basic system of reward and punishment. It is a system that breeds mediocrity, which is what we've gotten.

Most reasonable steps to restrain public-sector employment costs are smothered by the unions. Study after study has shown that states and cities could shave 20% to 40% off the cost of many services—fire fighting, public transportation, garbage collection, administrative functions, even prison operations—through competitive contracting to private providers. But unions have blocked many of those efforts. Public employees maintain that they are underpaid relative to equally qualified private-sector workers, yet they are deathly afraid of competitive bidding for government services.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

...and then what?

Defund the Dept of Education and then what? Charters that arent in business will take all the left over students? Or everyone will suddenly stop working to home school their kids? I dont know...So I'm asking

Defund Planned Parenthood and then what? Adoptions of American children will suddenly go through the roof? People will stop having sex once they realize they cant get free condoms? Since most women seeking abortions already have one child what should they do if they cannot care for the child?

The Republican or Conservative answer never seem to acknowledge what is inevitable from cutting or defunding any number of programs (Medicare, Medicade, SS, Welfare, Unemployment etc). The only thing that is done is mock those positions. Like "Oh no! If we cut medicare old people will be eating dog food!" They never say that this is wrong they just mock it.

I just listened to waaaay too much Limbaugh and Hannity this afternoon. But mocking that position without explaining why this is worthy to be mocked seems empty.

"Waaaaa the house will burn down if you set a fire in the living room!" type mocking. Then never explain why the fire they want to set wont cause the house to burn. Their solution to everything is "freedom" "liberty" "make me feel good".

Well, first off, this is complete asshattery.

Secondly, your answer to everything is to take somebody else's money and spend on imbecilic shit that never works and always cost more and more money.

 

[Mr. H.]

In time, the economy will bounce back and tax revenues will soar. Re-funding will occur.

 

[Zander]

Who gives a fuck? People really need to take responsibility for their own lives.

If you are too stupid to wear a damn condom - bummer for you. Not. My. Problem. Deal with it. Hope you like children or like having abortions. A condom costs $1.00. An abortion is $300.00. A baby is a ...A helluva lot more expensive. Either way- tough shit - you're gonna pay one way or another. Actions have consequences.

It's your life- take responsibility for it and shut the fuck up. Government is not your mommy.

 

[ClosedCaption]

I know, I know everything is wrong with everything. I'm concerned at the lack of perfection also but what is the cons plan? We know you don't like things that are not perfect. So what is the answer besides give everyone freedom from govt then it will figure itself out?

The first 3 posts highlight my op perfectly

 

[PoliticalChic]

I know, I know everything is wrong with everything. I'm concerned at the lack of perfection also but what is the cons plan? We know you don't like things that are not perfect. So what is the answer besides give everyone freedom from govt then it will figure itself out?

The first 3 posts highlight my op perfectly

1. The essential functions of the federal government would be national defense, courts, intellectual property and international relations. Add to this the mandatory costs of Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, plus interest payments, subtracted from expected revenue, the government is in deficit.

2. Any program that is currently federal could probably be handled better and cheaper by the states, figuring that local folks would keep a closer eye on the funds being spent…For example:

a. Federal housing programs should be completely disbanded, as they were the reason for the mortgage meltdown. And, clearly, the right to a home is not in the Constitution.

b. Federal highway and mass transit programs, budgeted at $41.3 billion in 2011. Eisenhower’s Federal Aid Highway Act of 1956 was supposed to expire in 1972, “designed to create a national 41,250-mile highway system to be completed by 1969.” It has been expanded to 160,000 miles. The 18.4 cents federal fuel tax to fund the plan could be assumed by the states (I know, the Constitution gives the feds the power to establish ‘post roads’… can’t we assume that to have been done?). Federal Highway Funding | Downsizing the Federal Government

 

[ClosedCaption]

Do you really want to cross paths with someone from a state like Alaska education system? *shudders*

I think the reason for federal education is to have some standard for all Americans. Seriously,what will happen when the state becomes broke for whatever reason? No school? Shut down of schools? That sounds like a disaster. And people who fan afford to leave, will leave. And the ones who can't will be stuck withs choice of home schooling (which can't be done in a two parent working household) or no school.

I know, I know...tough shit for those that can't, but it will coat on one end or the next

 

[Oddball]

I know, I know everything is wrong with everything. I'm concerned at the lack of perfection also but what is the cons plan? We know you don't like things that are not perfect. So what is the answer besides give everyone freedom from govt then it will figure itself out?

The first 3 posts highlight my op perfectly

Whoever said that perfection was an option, Captain Strawman?

 

[code1211]

...and then what?

Defund the Dept of Education and then what? Charters that arent in business will take all the left over students? Or everyone will suddenly stop working to home school their kids? I dont know...So I'm asking

Defund Planned Parenthood and then what? Adoptions of American children will suddenly go through the roof? People will stop having sex once they realize they cant get free condoms? Since most women seeking abortions already have one child what should they do if they cannot care for the child?

The Republican or Conservative answer never seem to acknowledge what is inevitable from cutting or defunding any number of programs (Medicare, Medicade, SS, Welfare, Unemployment etc). The only thing that is done is mock those positions. Like "Oh no! If we cut medicare old people will be eating dog food!" They never say that this is wrong they just mock it.

I just listened to waaaay too much Limbaugh and Hannity this afternoon. But mocking that position without explaining why this is worthy to be mocked seems empty.

"Waaaaa the house will burn down if you set a fire in the living room!" type mocking. Then never explain why the fire they want to set wont cause the house to burn. Their solution to everything is "freedom" "liberty" "make me feel good".

That's all really heart wrenching, but the truth is, we don't have the money.

Start off by saying we have so many dollars to spend then allocate them to the most pressing needs. When you run out, stop spending.

 

[RachelMadcow]

I would like to defund President Oprahs Illegal war for oil in Libya



Democrats are war mongering madmen currently bombing 4 countries


Wait?


I thought they were against preemptive cowboy wars?

 

[BenNatuf]

...and then what?

Defund the Dept of Education and then what? Charters that arent in business will take all the left over students? Or everyone will suddenly stop working to home school their kids? I dont know...So I'm asking

How about we let the states handle it like they did befor?

Defund Planned Parenthood and then what? Adoptions of American children will suddenly go through the roof? People will stop having sex once they realize they cant get free condoms? Since most women seeking abortions already have one child what should they do if they cannot care for the child?

fuck 'em, don't care. Federal governments got no business subsidizing irresponsibility anyway. Let the states deal with it.

The Republican or Conservative answer never seem to acknowledge what is inevitable from cutting or defunding any number of programs (Medicare, Medicade, SS, Welfare, Unemployment etc). The only thing that is done is mock those positions. Like "Oh no! If we cut medicare old people will be eating dog food!" They never say that this is wrong they just mock it.

I just listened to waaaay too much Limbaugh and Hannity this afternoon. But mocking that position without explaining why this is worthy to be mocked seems empty.

"Waaaaa the house will burn down if you set a fire in the living room!" type mocking. Then never explain why the fire they want to set wont cause the house to burn. Their solution to everything is "freedom" "liberty" "make me feel good".

The more the federal government gets involved the more fucked up all these things have become. Let the states take care of their own people.

 

[M14 Shooter]

...and then what?
Defund the Dept of Education and then what?

States will find a way to replace that small % of their education budgets represented by federal money, and then education will, again, the the sole purview of the states - just like it should be.
After all, the word "education" is not in the Constitution.

Defund Planned Parenthood and then what?

People who believe the organization and its services to be essential will either choose to fund it themselves, or the organization wi wither and die,
Wecome to the free market.

The Republican or Conservative answer never seem to acknowledge what is inevitable from cutting or defunding any number of programs (Medicare, Medicade, SS, Welfare, Unemployment etc).

People receiving benefits from these programs will receive smaller benefits.
They will have to cut their budgets, just like everyone else.
There's no sound argument that this should never be considered, or never allowed to happen.
:shrug:

No matter how much you whine and cry about cutting spending, one thing is true:
The rich don'y have enough income to raise taxes enough; defense spending isn't high enough to cut defense spending enough -- and so, to meaninfgully address the deficit, entitlement spending -must- be cut.

Actual spend-less-than-last-year cuts, not just the rate of growth.

 

[WillowTree]

Well, since you ask so nicely "then what?" I'll tell ya. AARP is next.

 

[Charles_Main]

I would like to defund President Oprahs Illegal war for oil in Libya



Democrats are war mongering madmen currently bombing 4 countries


Wait?


I thought they were against preemptive cowboy wars?

Shut your Mouth! It's not a war, and were not taking sides!!!!!

LOL

 

[Avatar4321]

What do you have against self government? Why do you not like self determination? If you want to help people, great! But help people with your own time, talent, and resources. Why do you think taking someone elses time, talent, and resources by force is ever a good thing?

We don't have the money for these programs. If we keep spending the way we are, then alot of people will suffer. Now, we have the opportunity to halt that. We have the opportunity to take responsibility for our actions. So why not do it? Why not encourage it?

 

[rdean]

The dummycrat run public school indoctrination system is a complete sham!

WSJ: We've Become a Nation of Takers, Not Makers

Today in America there are nearly twice as many people working for the government (22.5 million) than in all of manufacturing (11.5 million). This is an almost exact reversal of the situation in 1960, when there were 15 million workers in manufacturing and 8.7 million collecting a paycheck from the government.

It gets worse. More Americans work for the government than work in construction, farming, fishing, forestry, manufacturing, mining and utilities combined. We have moved decisively from a nation of makers to a nation of takers. Nearly half of the $2.2 trillion cost of state and local governments is the $1 trillion-a-year tab for pay and benefits of state and local employees. Is it any wonder that so many states and cities cannot pay their bills?...

Don't expect a reversal of this trend anytime soon. "Surveys of college graduates are finding that more and more of our top minds want to work for the government"...

The employment trends described here are explained in part by hugely beneficial productivity improvements in such traditional industries as farming, manufacturing, financial services and telecommunications. These produce far more output per worker than in the past. The typical farmer, for example, is today at least three times more productive than in 1950.

Where are the productivity gains in government? Consider a core function of state and local governments: schools. Over the period 1970-2005, school spending per pupil, adjusted for inflation, doubled, while standardized achievement test scores were flat. Over roughly that same time period, public-school employment doubled per student, according to a study by researchers at the University of Washington. That is what economists call negative productivity.

But education is an industry where we measure performance backwards: We gauge school performance not by outputs, but by inputs. If quality falls, we say we didn't pay teachers enough or we need smaller class sizes or newer schools. If education had undergone the same productivity revolution that manufacturing has, we would have half as many educators, smaller school budgets, and higher graduation rates and test scores.

The same is true of almost all other government services. Mass transit spends more and more every year and yet a much smaller share of Americans use trains and buses today than in past decades. One way that private companies spur productivity is by firing underperforming employees and rewarding excellence. In government employment, tenure for teachers and near lifetime employment for other civil servants shields workers from this basic system of reward and punishment. It is a system that breeds mediocrity, which is what we've gotten.

Most reasonable steps to restrain public-sector employment costs are smothered by the unions. Study after study has shown that states and cities could shave 20% to 40% off the cost of many services—fire fighting, public transportation, garbage collection, administrative functions, even prison operations—through competitive contracting to private providers. But unions have blocked many of those efforts. Public employees maintain that they are underpaid relative to equally qualified private-sector workers, yet they are deathly afraid of competitive bidding for government services.

Well, actually, it's the uneducated masses of deadbeat Republicans who are "takers". Ever seen a "Tea Party" rally?

 

[Charles_Main]

Defund Planned Parenthood and then what?

Young woman might have to pay full price, and get themselves to the clinic to have an abortion. OH MY the horror.

Here in my town, the Local Planned parenthood lies through their god damn teeth. They claim that here locally they provide no Abortions. Yet they provide rides to young girls who need an abortion 140 Miles south to where planned Parenthood does provide abortions.

Why do they feel they must lie?

 

[Charles_Main]

What do you have against self government? Why do you not like self determination? If you want to help people, great! But help people with your own time, talent, and resources. Why do you think taking someone elses time, talent, and resources by force is ever a good thing?

We don't have the money for these programs. If we keep spending the way we are, then alot of people will suffer. Now, we have the opportunity to halt that. We have the opportunity to take responsibility for our actions. So why not do it? Why not encourage it?

That is what the noble at heart but shortsighted libs do not understand. All they see is people in need, and they feel how can we possibly not help them? They fail to grasp that if the US continues to spend as it is now, a horrific economic collapse is all but inevitable. At which time many more Millions of people will be in need, and none of them will be getting help from the Government.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Do you really want to cross paths with someone from a state like Alaska education system? *shudders*

I think the reason for federal education is to have some standard for all Americans. Seriously,what will happen when the state becomes broke for whatever reason? No school? Shut down of schools? That sounds like a disaster. And people who fan afford to leave, will leave. And the ones who can't will be stuck withs choice of home schooling (which can't be done in a two parent working household) or no school.

I know, I know...tough shit for those that can't, but it will coat on one end or the next

Socialist!!!