Libya Goes Islamic And We Helped Pave The Way

[toxicmedia]

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Sharia law declaration raises concerns in new Libya - Yahoo! News

The future of Libya is not yet written.

Who cares if Libya has sharia law...Saudii Arabia, UAE, Dubai, and other US allies have sharia law, and righties aren't complaining....

We're not the world religious police...and shouldn't go around the world telling countries what type of laws they can, and cannot create. If they're killing thier people, that's another thing.

This is all just GOP fearmongering to minimize any bump Obama might get for the whole Quddafi thing.

That's the whole point, the religion will be used to kill people.

And it's not GOP fearmongering, the US over-stepping it's bounds in the ME, blowing up countries that have nothing to do with US defense, is a totally bipartisan issue. Asshole Bush blew up sections of the middle east, and now Asshole Obama is doing the exact same thing.

They're going to kill each other anyways, no reason for us to sacrifice american soldiers and american taxpayer dollars just so we can get in the middle of the bloodshed.

Fear of sharia law in Libya is fearmongering, and the GOP is milking it for all it's worth.

Attacking Libya, Afghanistan, and Iraq is overstepping our bounds.

It soulds like we agree on everything, except the threat to the US that sharia law represents in Libya. You have to understand...I spent years living with Muslims in the more moderate regions of the ME, so I have a hard time buying into predictions of doom and caliphate domination conspiracy outside of the Muslim world. That's just me though

 

[Dr.Drock]

Who cares if Libya has sharia law...Saudii Arabia, UAE, Dubai, and other US allies have sharia law, and righties aren't complaining....

We're not the world religious police...and shouldn't go around the world telling countries what type of laws they can, and cannot create. If they're killing thier people, that's another thing.

This is all just GOP fearmongering to minimize any bump Obama might get for the whole Quddafi thing.

That's the whole point, the religion will be used to kill people.

And it's not GOP fearmongering, the US over-stepping it's bounds in the ME, blowing up countries that have nothing to do with US defense, is a totally bipartisan issue. Asshole Bush blew up sections of the middle east, and now Asshole Obama is doing the exact same thing.

They're going to kill each other anyways, no reason for us to sacrifice american soldiers and american taxpayer dollars just so we can get in the middle of the bloodshed.

Fear of sharia law in Libya is fearmongering, and the GOP is milking it for all it's worth.

Attacking Libya, Afghanistan, and Iraq is overstepping our bounds.

It soulds like we agree on everything, except the threat to the US that sharia law represents in Libya. You have to understand...I spent years living with Muslims in the more moderate regions of the ME, so I have a hard time buying into predictions of doom and caliphate domination conspiracy outside of the Muslim world. That's just me though

Oh ok maybe I misread you. Yes Sharia Law in Libya is zero threat to the US.

The muslim fearmongering is GOP specific fearmongering for the most part. If they actually believed that, they wouldn't speak so highly about the Iraq War where the end result was the US having a hand in spreading Islam directly into their gov't.

It's just more partisan fun in the US, I used to get mad about it but it's not going anywhere so the healthier thing to do is sit back and laugh

 

[toxicmedia]

That's the whole point, the religion will be used to kill people.

And it's not GOP fearmongering, the US over-stepping it's bounds in the ME, blowing up countries that have nothing to do with US defense, is a totally bipartisan issue. Asshole Bush blew up sections of the middle east, and now Asshole Obama is doing the exact same thing.

They're going to kill each other anyways, no reason for us to sacrifice american soldiers and american taxpayer dollars just so we can get in the middle of the bloodshed.

Fear of sharia law in Libya is fearmongering, and the GOP is milking it for all it's worth.

Attacking Libya, Afghanistan, and Iraq is overstepping our bounds.

It soulds like we agree on everything, except the threat to the US that sharia law represents in Libya. You have to understand...I spent years living with Muslims in the more moderate regions of the ME, so I have a hard time buying into predictions of doom and caliphate domination conspiracy outside of the Muslim world. That's just me though

Oh ok maybe I misread you. Yes Sharia Law in Libya is zero threat to the US.

The muslim fearmongering is GOP specific fearmongering for the most part. If they actually believed that, they wouldn't speak so highly about the Iraq War where the end result was the US having a hand in spreading Islam directly into their gov't.

It's just more partisan fun in the US, I used to get mad about it but it's not going anywhere so the healthier thing to do is sit back and laugh

That's so true....people who think sharia law is a threat in the US...won't change thier minds because I lived with Muslims.

Sometimes I like to give it a try though...and see what happens.

It is very amusing how partisans either like or hate a given military intervention based on which American politician started it...not much indenpendent thinking going on out there.

 

[High_Gravity]

From what I've heard from my very few Saudii friends....the Shiite have no business being in the kingdom, and are valued about as much as we value illegal hispanic workers. We're happy to employ them for peanuts...but we don't want to see them walking around amongst us.

I don't think thats good because most of these Shites have been living in the Kingdom for generations, I don't think showing preference towards someone because of their religion is a good thing. This is also another reason the Saudis are nervous about Irans growing role in the region.

I think people are putting way too much faith in the Saudiis. From what I'm told, the royals especially, are spoiled childish panseys. The Faisals were warlike overly religious hicks before they got a bunch of oil money then started thinking they're all that........hey!.......now that I think about it....they're alot like Texans in that regard...................................I kid! Ikid!...go Rangers!

Anyway...Expecting Sunnis to treat Shiites well and visa versa, will never happen.

Oh I agree but that just leaves the door open for revolts like the ones we are seeing now every few decades or so, you can't treat a people like dirt and expect them to do nothing.

 

[toxicmedia]

I don't think thats good because most of these Shites have been living in the Kingdom for generations, I don't think showing preference towards someone because of their religion is a good thing. This is also another reason the Saudis are nervous about Irans growing role in the region.

I think people are putting way too much faith in the Saudiis. From what I'm told, the royals especially, are spoiled childish panseys. The Faisals were warlike overly religious hicks before they got a bunch of oil money then started thinking they're all that........hey!.......now that I think about it....they're alot like Texans in that regard...................................I kid! Ikid!...go Rangers!

Anyway...Expecting Sunnis to treat Shiites well and visa versa, will never happen.

Oh I agree but that just leaves the door open for revolts like the ones we are seeing now every few decades or so, you can't treat a people like dirt and expect them to do nothing.

That's true...the Saudii police are brutal towards Shiite or migrant workers on visas...but they don't have the numbers do they?

Oh well....when the Saudiis run out of oil in 2060 or so...they'll go back to being tent dwelling camel milk drinking inbred poor folks

 

[JStone]

Oh ok maybe I misread you. Yes Sharia Law in Libya is zero threat to the US.

The muslim fearmongering is GOP specific fearmongering for the most part.

Really, genius?

Muslim attack on 9/11, killing 3,000
Ongoing Muslim genocide in Darfur and southern Sudan, 4 million killed
Muslims firebomb Coptic church in Cairo, killing 21
Muslims slaughter 60 Christians in church in Iraq
Muslim bombings in Mumbai, India kill 250, 700 injured
Muslim bombings in Londin, 53 killed, 700 injured
Multiple Muslim bombings on trains near Madrid, Spain. 191 killed, 1460 injured
Muslim bombing in Bali nightclub, 202 killed, 300 injured
Muslim bombing attacks in Russia kill 300
Musim attack on Beslan, Russia school, 344 killed including 186 children
Muslim attack on the Christian community in Demsa,
Nigeria, killing 36 people, destroying property and displacing an additional 3000 people
Muslim attack on the Hindu Ram temple in India; one of the most holy sites of Hinduism, 6 dead.
Muslim bombings in India, over 60 killed and over 180 injured in crowded markets and a bus, just 2 days before the Diwali festival
Muslim bombings in Varanasi, India, series of attacks in the Sankath Mochan Hanuman temple and Cantonment Railway Station, 28 killed and over 100 injured
Muslim bombings in India, 21 explosive devices, 56 dead and 200 injured.
Muslim bombings in Delhi, India, 30 people dead and 130 injured, followed by attack two weeks later, 3 people dead.
Muslims kill at least 174 people and wound numerous others in attacks in Mumbai.
Muslims detonate car bomb in Pakistan shopping district, killing over 110 killed and over 200 injured.
Muslim suicide bomber in Somalia detonates in hotel hosting a graduation ceremony for local medical students, killing four government ministers as well as other civilians.
Muslim suicide bomber in Pakistan drove into a volleyball pitch as people gathered to watch a match killing more than 100 people
Muslims attack mosques in Pakistan, killing nearly 100 and injuring many others
Muslim attacks on the Hindu Raghunath temple, India, 25 dead.
Muslim bombing in al-Arbaa, Algeria. 49 dead, 117 injured.
Muslim suicide attack on Indian parliament kills 7, wounds 12
Muslim machine gun attack on Hindu temple in India. 31 dead, 86 injured

Iran Iraq War, 1 million dead
Lebanese Civil War, 250,000 dead
Algerian Civl War: 300,000 dead
Bangladesh Civil War: 500,000 dead
Black Sept., Jordan's King Hussein murders, expells 80,000 Palestinians
Syrian army kills 20,000 Syrians at Hama
Iraq gases hundreds of thousands of Kurds
300 US Marines killed in Beirut
1400 year conflict between Sunnis and Shiites
Fratricide between Hamas and Fatah
Syria/Hizballah assassinate Lebanese PM Rafik Hariri

 

[Dr.Drock]

Oh ok maybe I misread you. Yes Sharia Law in Libya is zero threat to the US.

The muslim fearmongering is GOP specific fearmongering for the most part.

Really, genius?

Muslim attack on 9/11, killing 3,000
Ongoing Muslim genocide in Darfur and southern Sudan, 4 million killed
Muslims firebomb Coptic church in Cairo, killing 21
Muslims slaughter 60 Christians in church in Iraq
Muslim bombings in Mumbai, India kill 250, 700 injured
Muslim bombings in Londin, 53 killed, 700 injured
Multiple Muslim bombings on trains near Madrid, Spain. 191 killed, 1460 injured
Muslim bombing in Bali nightclub, 202 killed, 300 injured
Muslim bombing attacks in Russia kill 300
Musim attack on Beslan, Russia school, 344 killed including 186 children
Muslim attack on the Christian community in Demsa,
Nigeria, killing 36 people, destroying property and displacing an additional 3000 people
Muslim attack on the Hindu Ram temple in India; one of the most holy sites of Hinduism, 6 dead.
Muslim bombings in India, over 60 killed and over 180 injured in crowded markets and a bus, just 2 days before the Diwali festival
Muslim bombings in Varanasi, India, series of attacks in the Sankath Mochan Hanuman temple and Cantonment Railway Station, 28 killed and over 100 injured
Muslim bombings in India, 21 explosive devices, 56 dead and 200 injured.
Muslim bombings in Delhi, India, 30 people dead and 130 injured, followed by attack two weeks later, 3 people dead.
Muslims kill at least 174 people and wound numerous others in attacks in Mumbai.
Muslims detonate car bomb in Pakistan shopping district, killing over 110 killed and over 200 injured.
Muslim suicide bomber in Somalia detonates in hotel hosting a graduation ceremony for local medical students, killing four government ministers as well as other civilians.
Muslim suicide bomber in Pakistan drove into a volleyball pitch as people gathered to watch a match killing more than 100 people
Muslims attack mosques in Pakistan, killing nearly 100 and injuring many others
Muslim attacks on the Hindu Raghunath temple, India, 25 dead.
Muslim bombing in al-Arbaa, Algeria. 49 dead, 117 injured.
Muslim suicide attack on Indian parliament kills 7, wounds 12
Muslim machine gun attack on Hindu temple in India. 31 dead, 86 injured

Iran Iraq War, 1 million dead
Lebanese Civil War, 250,000 dead
Algerian Civl War: 300,000 dead
Bangladesh Civil War: 500,000 dead
Black Sept., Jordan's King Hussein murders, expells 80,000 Palestinians
Syrian army kills 20,000 Syrians at Hama
Iraq gases hundreds of thousands of Kurds
300 US Marines killed in Beirut
1400 year conflict between Sunnis and Shiites
Fratricide between Hamas and Fatah
Syria/Hizballah assassinate Lebanese PM Rafik Hariri

You don't have to keep proving it, I know all about the billions of people you don't know but hate anyways.

Don't worry, I'm not questioning it.

 

[mudwhistle]

The Shiite in Saudi Arabia are not what Saudiis would call their own people. In the pre-Aramco era....there was just dust, tents, and the Faisal's pushing all the other Sunniis around.

Thats part of the problem, there is alot of discontent among the Shite population in the Kingdom and thats why the Saudis were quick to send their Military over to Bahrain to stop the Shite uprisings there, they don't the Shites to get any ideas in Saudi Arabia and try the same thing.

From what I've heard from my very few Saudii friends....the Shiite have no business being in the kingdom, and are valued about as much as we value illegal hispanic workers. We're happy to employ them for peanuts...but we don't want to see them walking around amongst us.

(And they call Republicans bigots)

These are the folks the left likes to support.

 

[mudwhistle]

Not trying to nit-pick, but I'd read up on Mubarak's "elections."

Mubarak admitted to an election being rigged, then won the next election by an even wider margin.

I wouldn't be surprised if this happened in other places over there as well.

Yes Saddam was the same way, in those "elections" nobody ran against Saddam, you either voted yes or not, voting no would cause you alot of problems and a visit by the secret police to ask why you didn't vote for Saddam.

That's right Gravity...and saddam did that without sharia law.

But, but, but Saddam was a nice guy. He never attacked us. He wasn't a threat to the United States.

*sarcasm switched off*

However.......Islamic states that practice Sharia Law push out terrorists by the thousands in their religious schools and universities. It doesn't seem to matter if they're well off or not, educated or not. They still hate us because they hate anyone who's different.

 

[logical4u]

Much better if they vote for who we want them to vote for. Now THAT'S true freedom and democracy.

Nice to see that you still don't let "truth" get in the way of a good story.

And what "truth" is that?

Claiming that the ME has "true freedom and democracy" when only a small percentage of the population is safe enough to vote.

 

[logical4u]

Oh ok maybe I misread you. Yes Sharia Law in Libya is zero threat to the US.

The muslim fearmongering is GOP specific fearmongering for the most part.

Really, genius?

Muslim attack on 9/11, killing 3,000
Ongoing Muslim genocide in Darfur and southern Sudan, 4 million killed
Muslims firebomb Coptic church in Cairo, killing 21
Muslims slaughter 60 Christians in church in Iraq
Muslim bombings in Mumbai, India kill 250, 700 injured
Muslim bombings in Londin, 53 killed, 700 injured
Multiple Muslim bombings on trains near Madrid, Spain. 191 killed, 1460 injured
Muslim bombing in Bali nightclub, 202 killed, 300 injured
Muslim bombing attacks in Russia kill 300
Musim attack on Beslan, Russia school, 344 killed including 186 children
Muslim attack on the Christian community in Demsa,
Nigeria, killing 36 people, destroying property and displacing an additional 3000 people
Muslim attack on the Hindu Ram temple in India; one of the most holy sites of Hinduism, 6 dead.
Muslim bombings in India, over 60 killed and over 180 injured in crowded markets and a bus, just 2 days before the Diwali festival
Muslim bombings in Varanasi, India, series of attacks in the Sankath Mochan Hanuman temple and Cantonment Railway Station, 28 killed and over 100 injured
Muslim bombings in India, 21 explosive devices, 56 dead and 200 injured.
Muslim bombings in Delhi, India, 30 people dead and 130 injured, followed by attack two weeks later, 3 people dead.
Muslims kill at least 174 people and wound numerous others in attacks in Mumbai.
Muslims detonate car bomb in Pakistan shopping district, killing over 110 killed and over 200 injured.
Muslim suicide bomber in Somalia detonates in hotel hosting a graduation ceremony for local medical students, killing four government ministers as well as other civilians.
Muslim suicide bomber in Pakistan drove into a volleyball pitch as people gathered to watch a match killing more than 100 people
Muslims attack mosques in Pakistan, killing nearly 100 and injuring many others
Muslim attacks on the Hindu Raghunath temple, India, 25 dead.
Muslim bombing in al-Arbaa, Algeria. 49 dead, 117 injured.
Muslim suicide attack on Indian parliament kills 7, wounds 12
Muslim machine gun attack on Hindu temple in India. 31 dead, 86 injured

Iran Iraq War, 1 million dead
Lebanese Civil War, 250,000 dead
Algerian Civl War: 300,000 dead
Bangladesh Civil War: 500,000 dead
Black Sept., Jordan's King Hussein murders, expells 80,000 Palestinians
Syrian army kills 20,000 Syrians at Hama
Iraq gases hundreds of thousands of Kurds
300 US Marines killed in Beirut
1400 year conflict between Sunnis and Shiites
Fratricide between Hamas and Fatah
Syria/Hizballah assassinate Lebanese PM Rafik Hariri

The response from the lefties/communists/socialists/homosexual activists/radical islamists: well, well, the "Christians" had the inquistition (how many millions will islam murder before they notice?). They will ignore this at their own (and their children's) peril.

 

[bodecea]

Nice to see that you still don't let "truth" get in the way of a good story.

And what "truth" is that?

Claiming that the ME has "true freedom and democracy" when only a small percentage of the population is safe enough to vote.

You mean all those that people liked to take pictures up with purple fingers to show that democracy ruled?

 

[logical4u]

And what "truth" is that?

Claiming that the ME has "true freedom and democracy" when only a small percentage of the population is safe enough to vote.

You mean all those that people liked to take pictures up with purple fingers to show that democracy ruled?

Where were those pictures taken? Were they in Tunisia? Egypt? Libya? Syria? Iran? Bahrain? Yemen? Ohh, that's right, those pictures were taken in a country with the elections that were overseen by the US military. So one country out of how many had a superpower military watching the election and people could vote, relatively safely. Let's see how that vote works when the US is no longer there (thanks to the President)? So which country are you saying, specifically, has "true freedom and democracy"?

 

[bodecea]

Claiming that the ME has "true freedom and democracy" when only a small percentage of the population is safe enough to vote.

You mean all those that people liked to take pictures up with purple fingers to show that democracy ruled?

Where were those pictures taken? Were they in Tunisia? Egypt? Libya? Syria? Iran? Bahrain? Yemen? Ohh, that's right, those pictures were taken in a country with the elections that were overseen by the US military. So one country out of how many had a superpower military watching the election and people could vote, relatively safely. Let's see how that vote works when the US is no longer there (thanks to the President)? So which country are you saying, specifically, has "true freedom and democracy"?

And how is that country doing now for "true freedom and democracy"?

 

[Neotrotsky]

Carter paved the way for modern day Iran
Papa is doing even more to look like Carter

 

[toxicmedia]

Thats part of the problem, there is alot of discontent among the Shite population in the Kingdom and thats why the Saudis were quick to send their Military over to Bahrain to stop the Shite uprisings there, they don't the Shites to get any ideas in Saudi Arabia and try the same thing.

From what I've heard from my very few Saudii friends....the Shiite have no business being in the kingdom, and are valued about as much as we value illegal hispanic workers. We're happy to employ them for peanuts...but we don't want to see them walking around amongst us.

(And they call Republicans bigots)

These are the folks the left likes to support.

I'm confused...are you saying that "the left" in the US supports the Saudiis in their oppression of Shiites and migrant workers in Saudii Arabia?

 

[toxicmedia]

Carter paved the way for modern day Iran
Papa is doing even more to look like Carter

That's very untrue....it was Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Nixon's support of the Shah of Iran, that caused Islamic revolutionaries in Iran to hate the US, and that paved the way for modern day Iran.

 

[Dr.Drock]

Carter paved the way for modern day Iran
Papa is doing even more to look like Carter

That's very untrue....it was Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Nixon's support of the Shah of Iran, that caused Islamic revolutionaries in Iran to hate the US, and that paved the way for modern day Iran.

He's a hardcore partisan. I've seen like 10 of his posts every one of them nothing but partisan babble.



Nothing clouds someone's judgement worse than an allegiance to a political party.

 

[toxicmedia]

Carter paved the way for modern day Iran
Papa is doing even more to look like Carter

That's very untrue....it was Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Nixon's support of the Shah of Iran, that caused Islamic revolutionaries in Iran to hate the US, and that paved the way for modern day Iran.

He's a hardcore partisan. I've seen like 10 of his posts every one of them nothing but partisan babble.



Nothing clouds someone's judgement worse than an allegiance to a political party.

I'm not inclined to believe the rhetoric....so I love and dislike righties and lefties individually.

I was live during the Carter admin too....he was too airy fairy progessive....but not the worst, or even second worst president. I feel for him because he took over in the wake of continued national regret over Vietnam, and Watergate, increasing rhetoric from Breshnev and the UN, energy shortages, the oil embargo.....it was really a negative time.

 

[pgm]

However.......Islamic states that practice Sharia Law push out terrorists by the thousands in their religious schools and universities. It doesn't seem to matter if they're well off or not, educated or not. They still hate us because they hate anyone who's different.

Sharia law means different things to different people and different countries practice it with differing strictness. All devout Muslims say they want Sharia law. It would be no different than a Christian saying they want the law to be based on the Bible. They may not favor a strict interpretation, but they still favor it on principle. It's not a perfect comparison, but it's not apples and oranges either.

There are nine states that practice strict Sharia law (defined as the death penalty for blasphemy, in this instance). These states do not have a 100% literal interpretation, but it's the closest the modern world comes. All these states produce a lot of terrorists (Afghanistan, Bahrain, Iran, Mauritania, Oman, Pakistan, Yemen, Saudi Arabia). But there are many countries that have a lot of Islam-inspired terrorists that do not follow strict Sharia Law. Lebanon is the first country to come to mind.

I would say it is fair to say the two have a root cause (a large number of religious extremists), but that the two do not cause each other. So, we'll have to take this on a case-by-case basis and watch the situations very closely. I think Libya is more likely to become a terrorist nest than Tunisia, despite both wanting to turn to Sharia law.

Something else to keep in mind. Most of these "terrorist-producing" schools tend to be funded with oil money. The Saudis build many of the schools in Pakistan, which in turn build the schools in Afghanistan. In this way, it'll be more important to watch Libya closely.

Carter paved the way for modern day Iran
Papa is doing even more to look like Carter

Truman/Eisenhower paved the way for modern-day Iran.