Libs excuse for crimminal behavior

[bucs90]

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The difference between the Nazis and Jeff Dalhmer is: one is a national government, the other and individual. In the case of national governments doing wrongs against society or another National government, war can be declared.

When an individual commits crimes here in the United States of America, we conduct something called a trial. During that trial, evidence of the crime is presented and the individual on trial gets a chance at defending himself.

Fair enough. But: Are the two acts equally horrible morally? Dahmers 13 (not sure exact count) victims vs the Nazi's millions. Each life was equally seen with worth by the society. But the Nazi's were punished by death. Dahmer....you argue...should have been kept alive on society's payroll.

Equal atrocity should recieve equal punishment, in my opinion. If there were 100 Jeffrey Dahmers running rampant in a town killing hundreds, its no doubt the local SWAT teams would be sent to hunt them down and kill them, correct?

Morality has little to do with my opposition to capital punishment. War is war and, being human beings, must be conducted from time to time.

Capital punishment PRESUMES the one thing Conservatives can never presume: that the state is infallible, correct, efficient and fair.

One mistake, one incompetent defense attorney, one coerced confession and a human life hangs in the balance. DNA evidence has freed countless innocent people. What makes anyone think that the same government that cannot be trusted with providing health insurance can suddenly be trusted with executing someone without making a mistake?

The same state that declares war enforces domestic law. How can they be trusted to kill one set of humans for crimes against humanity (Nazis, Taliban) but not for the individuals who commit the same act of death against our neighbors?

Evil exists, abroad and domestically. And should be killed.

HOWEVER, I will concede that the death penalty should be issued for ONLY the most horrible crimes, with overwhelming evidence. And possibly even expand the situation somehow, to a jury review of the convicting jury. Or something. Can't make mistakes with the DP, you're right about that. I think we must have that option though.

 

[bucs90]

How can something be killed if it hasn't been born yet?

It can be.

Senator Obama of Illinois voted AGAINST a bill that would ban the following act: A doctor attempts an abortion. THe baby survives. It is outside the womb, crying, breathing. THe doctor discards it into a trash can and it dies.

That is being done in Illinois. Obama voted to protect that act.

A baby can be born, living, breathing, and legally murdered by negligence in care. That is murder. And it's being done. And Obama supported it.

Sounds terrible. Link so I can read more?

obama votes live abortion - Bing

Thats a link to a search result.

Just search "Obama live birth abortion vote". Theres a lot on it. Disgusting act that he voted to protect.

 

[RDD_1210]

It can be.

Senator Obama of Illinois voted AGAINST a bill that would ban the following act: A doctor attempts an abortion. THe baby survives. It is outside the womb, crying, breathing. THe doctor discards it into a trash can and it dies.

That is being done in Illinois. Obama voted to protect that act.

A baby can be born, living, breathing, and legally murdered by negligence in care. That is murder. And it's being done. And Obama supported it.

Sounds terrible. Link so I can read more?

obama votes live abortion - Bing

Thats a link to a search result.

Just search "Obama live birth abortion vote". Theres a lot on it. Disgusting act that he voted to protect.

Thanks.

 

[Nosmo King]

Fair enough. But: Are the two acts equally horrible morally? Dahmers 13 (not sure exact count) victims vs the Nazi's millions. Each life was equally seen with worth by the society. But the Nazi's were punished by death. Dahmer....you argue...should have been kept alive on society's payroll.

Equal atrocity should recieve equal punishment, in my opinion. If there were 100 Jeffrey Dahmers running rampant in a town killing hundreds, its no doubt the local SWAT teams would be sent to hunt them down and kill them, correct?

Morality has little to do with my opposition to capital punishment. War is war and, being human beings, must be conducted from time to time.

Capital punishment PRESUMES the one thing Conservatives can never presume: that the state is infallible, correct, efficient and fair.

One mistake, one incompetent defense attorney, one coerced confession and a human life hangs in the balance. DNA evidence has freed countless innocent people. What makes anyone think that the same government that cannot be trusted with providing health insurance can suddenly be trusted with executing someone without making a mistake?

The same state that declares war enforces domestic law. How can they be trusted to kill one set of humans for crimes against humanity (Nazis, Taliban) but not for the individuals who commit the same act of death against our neighbors?

Evil exists, abroad and domestically. And should be killed.

HOWEVER, I will concede that the death penalty should be issued for ONLY the most horrible crimes, with overwhelming evidence. And possibly even expand the situation somehow, to a jury review of the convicting jury. Or something. Can't make mistakes with the DP, you're right about that. I think we must have that option though.

When Americans saw Japanese Zeros coursing through the air above Pearl Harbor, it was pretty apparent who was doing the attacking. The Japanese government, and subsequently the American government issued Declarations of War.

Someone is gunned down in a dark alley. There is only one witness, a drunk sleeping one off in a doorway. A suspect is arrested, booked and charged with murder. Suddenly, who was doing the attacking is not so cut and dried. So, a trial is held. A defense attorney, appointed by the state, conducts her first capital case. The suspect never confesses, yet is sentenced to die. Can mistakes be made? Can evidence be overlooked? And the state wants to end a life!

Capital punishment fails to provide restitution. It's expensive (more so than a life sentence) and it's final with no appeal once the switch has been thrown. The death penalty is a mistake.

 

[BlindBoo]

Name the lib that thinks Murder is a bad law!

The millions that support abortion?

Senator Obama when he voted NO to a bill that would ban the following: A doctor attempts and abortion, it fails, and the LIVING human baby is out of the womb, crying, breathing, begging for care. However, the doctor knows that baby was marked for death, so he lays it in a trash can and lets it die from exposure and lack of care. That is simply murder, an Illinois bill would have banned it, and Obama voted NO to passing that bill.

That is one liberal who thought banning that form of murder was a bad idea.

Abortion is legal and is not murder. That said I don't support partial birth abortion unless the mother's life is in danger. The specific case you brought up was horrible, even with severe deformations or whatever the prognosis, that life should have been loved, held and coddled until it drew it's final breath. Just my feelings on the matter......

 

[tinydancer]

This lib activist kills his girlfriend - stuffs her in a closet - flees to Europe and 30 years later is finally extradicted.

Death Penalty if I ever saw one.................................

Old Mr.Founder of Earth Day Ira not only murdered Holly , he composted her in his closet in a trunk and actually continued living there with her rotting body until the downstairs neighbors complained about brown liquid running down their walls.

Then he got busted. Arlen Specter got him bail and then he took off for France.

I hate him.

Every earth day I plant a perennial for Holly. I've followed the case for years. At least he's behind bars now and not partying down in France.

And I agree that if there ever was a case for the death penalty it's this one. Mr. Mr. Peace love dove beat her to death. What a pig.

 

[ginscpy]

I long for the late 50s/early 60s

born 1953

 

[L.K.Eder]

"Its a bad law."

stick to your beatles threads.

 

[ginscpy]

"Its a bad law."

stick to your beatles threads.

With the Fab 4 Body Of Work - impossible task

Have sorta a list of their 10 best - subject to change

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Name the lib that thinks Murder is a bad law!

The millions that support abortion?

Senator Obama when he voted NO to a bill that would ban the following: A doctor attempts and abortion, it fails, and the LIVING human baby is out of the womb, crying, breathing, begging for care. However, the doctor knows that baby was marked for death, so he lays it in a trash can and lets it die from exposure and lack of care. That is simply murder, an Illinois bill would have banned it, and Obama voted NO to passing that bill.

That is one liberal who thought banning that form of murder was a bad idea.

Abortion is legal and is not murder. That said I don't support partial birth abortion unless the mother's life is in danger. The specific case you brought up was horrible, even with severe deformations or whatever the prognosis, that life should have been loved, held and coddled until it drew it's final breath. Just my feelings on the matter......

Abortion is murder, unless of course you have determined when human life actually begins?

Please share.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Libs excuse for crimminal behavior
"Its a bad law."

This lib activist kills his girlfriend - stuffs her in a closet - flees to Europe and 30 years later is finally extradicted.

Death Penalty if I ever saw one.................................

Do you have a link or other information or are you just posting about another of your psychotic delusions.

 

[tinydancer]

Libs excuse for crimminal behavior
"Its a bad law."

This lib activist kills his girlfriend - stuffs her in a closet - flees to Europe and 30 years later is finally extradicted.

Death Penalty if I ever saw one.................................

Do you have a link or other information or are you just posting about another of your psychotic delusions.

It's a really famous murder. Einhorn was one of the founders of Earth Day, used to hang with Abbie and Jerry and the yippie crowd.

He beat Holly to death and then composted her in a trunk in a closet in his apartment. He was busted when she started decomposing and the downstairs neighbors complained that brown liquid was running down their walls.

Ira was still living there when the police busted him. His lawyer was Arlen Specter who got him out on really cheap bail and he ran to France.

It took forever to extradite the bastard.

His nickname was the Unicorn Killer. If you need the wiki link I'll get it for you. Truly a famous murder.

Here you go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ira_Einhorn

 

[ginscpy]

Executions up threw the 1950s used to routine.

Commit the crime - get sentenced - fry ..............

 

[Rinata]

"Its a bad law."

You don't even know how to spell criminal. Sure you know what it means???

 

[rdean]

"Its a bad law."

The rich hire the best Republican politicians money can buy to change the law so they don't have to break the law.

 

[BlindBoo]

The millions that support abortion?

Senator Obama when he voted NO to a bill that would ban the following: A doctor attempts and abortion, it fails, and the LIVING human baby is out of the womb, crying, breathing, begging for care. However, the doctor knows that baby was marked for death, so he lays it in a trash can and lets it die from exposure and lack of care. That is simply murder, an Illinois bill would have banned it, and Obama voted NO to passing that bill.

That is one liberal who thought banning that form of murder was a bad idea.

Abortion is legal and is not murder. That said I don't support partial birth abortion unless the mother's life is in danger. The specific case you brought up was horrible, even with severe deformations or whatever the prognosis, that life should have been loved, held and coddled until it drew it's final breath. Just my feelings on the matter......

Abortion is murder, unless of course you have determined when human life actually begins?

Please share.

Murder is a crime. Abortion is not a crime in this country. On the when life begins question, to me it's a combination of will and ability. The will of the adults and the ability to sustain life outside of the womb. Not limited to humans however.

 

[tinydancer]

"Its a bad law."

The rich hire the best Republican politicians money can buy to change the law so they don't have to break the law.

The rich hire politicians both sides of the aisle. It's probably the only consistent show of bipartisanship in the country on a continual basis.

 

[ginscpy]

Executions in the 50s used to be routine.

No lethal injection bs

Old Sparky

 

[Intense]

Was it wrong to go to Europe and murder the Nazis???

That's war. We're talking about crime.

There is a fine line between the two. Obama Admin wants them to be the same. 9-11 was a crime, not a war, right?

Whats the difference? Nazis did mass killings. How is that different from, say, Jeffrey Dahmer being a mass killer? If we are ok sending men to kill an army of mass murderers, why is it then wrong to send a few to kill an individual mass murderer????? Logically and morally, I see no difference.

I don't know.... listen.... is that a drone flying over your house.... ??? Better watch what you post... Barry has been really sensitive lately.... you don't want to piss him off.

 

[jillian]

don't encourage him.