Liberation of Iraqi Women

[jimnyc]

Originally posted by gop_jeff
I don't put an ounce of faith in this rumor.

And you would be correct, Jeff!

Bogus GI rape photos used as Arab propaganda

Graphic photos appearing on Arabic websites of U.S. servicemen raping and sexually abusing Iraqi women were actually taken from American and Hungarian pornography sites.

Albasrah.net and a Tunisian website produced in France by Committee for the Defense of Saddam Hussein [Comité de Défonce de Saddam Hussein En Tunisie], posted not only the recently broadcast photos of U.S. troops abusing and humiliating Iraqi prisoners but additional ones of alleged group rape of women by American soldiers, some who are depicted holding rifles against their victims' heads.

The Tunisian site described the photos as the "unedited" versions of actual events and Albasrah ran the photos under the heading "The Abu Ghraib Prison Photos," indicating they had received the photos via e-mail.

A WND investigation has revealed that most of the photos are taken from the American pornographic website "Iraq Babes," and the Hungarian site, "Sex in War," which is linked to by the American site. Both websites are linked to by violent pornography sites and both describe Iraqi women -- played by "actresses" -- in vulgar terms.

"Iraq Babes" was created in April 2003 and is registered to Linda MacNew of MacNew Enterprises, in Hop Bottom, Pa.

MacNew Enterprises also is the registrant of VelocityHosting.com, whose technical and administrative contacts are Linda and Arthur MacNew. HotSpotCity.com, which hosts "cheap unrestricted adult XXX porn websites" is a subsidiary of MacNew Enterprises.

MacNew told WND she hosted the site and that while aware of the content, she did not know the photos were now being used as anti-coalition propaganda.

"That's one of our client sites," she said. "If they're legal photos, I can't just shut them down because of that. I need to investigate this. I appreciate you letting us know."

When asked who the owner of the site was, MacNew said, "I can't divulge that."

"Sex in War" was created in May of 2003 and registered to Activ Studio KFT in Budapest, Hungary, under the name of "Andrea M." Andrea Marchand of Activ Studio KFT is listed elsewhere as a custodian of age-identification documents for persons appearing in various sexually explicit images broadcast over the Internet. Her e-mail address is suffixed to Active Art Studio, owners of a Parisian website and service that offers video content.

At the time of publication of this report, Marchand could not be reached for comment.

WND also has not yet received a response from the Committee for the Defense of Saddam Hussein and Albasrah as to whether they will now remove the photos from the website and admit they are staged images.

Read the rest here:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38335

 

[Avatar4321]

sad that such a disreputible institution exists in PA

 

[JIHADTHIS]

Isn't Atzlan the organization that wants to re-annex the southwest and add it back to mexico?

 

[insein]

Originally posted by Avatar4321
sad that such a disreputible institution exists in PA

Yes but not suprising when you see who our governor is.

 

[William Joyce]

"On another note...is abusing the Iraqi prisoners all that bad?"

Huh? There's got to be a difference between honorable soldier behavior and what we're seeing over there. What military purpose does stacking Iraqi men's bodies have? You either kill your enemy, let him go, or stick him in jail and give him cigarettes. If he had info, you might have to torture him. But all this crap with the women and the men and the leather masks and the Iraqi old people... is just pure fucking insanity. Hey! Kinda like the Jews' war itself.

 

[Gop guy]

*Sigh* It's always with the Jew bashing.

I believe a good BITE ME will sufice.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by William Joyce
by U.S. soldiers. Here.

http://www.aztlan.net/iraqi_women_raped.htm

Great. We piss on them, electrocute them, torture them, rape them, stack them in pyramids. For what? Because they had NOTHING to do with 9/11? Great. What are we accomplishing over there? Oh, yeah. I forgot. They hate us for our freeedum.

Thanks, neocons. Great plan. Excellent war. We sure liberated that place.

In an era of nukes and chem weap. We can no longer let tyrants work their evil upon the earth.

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
In an era of nukes and chem weap. We can no longer let tyrants work their evil upon the earth.

So we'd rather have chaos, disorder, anarchy, and lawlessness instead of an orderly country whose despotic ruler we could contain.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

the chaos will not last forever.

The people want freedom. They're suppressed by tyrants and terrorists who do not want freedom. Freedom = the loss of their despotic power.

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
the chaos will not last forever.

The people want freedom. They're suppressed by tyrants and terrorists who do not want freedom. Freedom = the loss of their despotic power.

Doesn't freedom also provide the opportunity for proliferation by less controls on the individual?

 

[SpidermanTuba]

"How do you feel about the women of our army that were captured, raped, and tortured?"


Oh... I get it. They captured and raped our women, so we get to rape theirs! That makes perfect sense! Is that your point? Because if it isn't,

you don't have one!


We could be gassing Iraqis en masse, and people like you would still be talking about what they're doing to us.


"The people want freedom. They're suppressed by tyrants and terrorists who do not want freedom. Freedom = the loss of their despotic power."

What you mean is Freedom=American dictatorship.

 

[insein]

Originally posted by SpidermanTuba
"How do you feel about the women of our army that were captured, raped, and tortured?"


Oh... I get it. They captured and raped our women, so we get to rape theirs! That makes perfect sense! Is that your point? Because if it isn't,

you don't have one!


We could be gassing Iraqis en masse, and people like you would still be talking about what they're doing to us.


"The people want freedom. They're suppressed by tyrants and terrorists who do not want freedom. Freedom = the loss of their despotic power."

What you mean is Freedom=American dictatorship.

First of all, there are only accusations of rape. There is no evidence of rape against Iraqi women. Then again you don't look like the type to deal in truth anyway.

You don't care about the iraqi people. Otherwise where was your bleeding heart when Sadaam was gassing them and raping them and killing them by the thousands? Also where is your bleeding heart for the civilian contractors of Haliburton and the other soldiers who were killed and then had their lifeless bodies drug through the streets by the same type of people who housed those jails?

Go ahead and explain away your transparent hypocracy. IT ought to be a riot.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

There is no evidence of rape against Iraqi women.

So I suppose those pictures of US soldiers gang banging an Iraqi women and forcing their penises into her mouth are depciting and act of consensual sex? Yeah, right, sure, you really are brainwashed if you believe that.

Otherwise where was your bleeding heart when Sadaam was gassing them and raping them and killing them by the thousands?

Perhaps you ought to ask Ronald Reagan and Donald Rumsfeld that question. I wasn't really in the position to do anything at the time, considering I wasn't even 18 in the 80's, but Ronnie Reagan and ole Rumsfeld sat back, watched it happen, and refused use the power of the US to intervene. In fact, as a reward for gassing and slaughtering his own people, old Ronnie took them off the list of nations that support terrorism. Perhaps you ought be asking ole Rumsfeld, not me.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/press.htm

Also where is your bleeding heart for the civilian contractors of Haliburton and the other soldiers who were killed and then had their lifeless bodies drug through the streets by the same type of people who housed those jails?

I apologize, I forget that I am not allowed to talk about our transgressions without talking about the enemy's transgressions. You warmongers seem to forget often how bad the enemy is, and need reminding. I can't figure out why, but in fact, it seems all you ever want to do is talk about how bad the enemy is, even though we all already know how bad the enemy is. You're obsessed with it and it blinds you. If you like, I can modify my signature line to say that terrorists are bad, too. I think I'll do that, I wouldn't want weak minded warmongers to think that just because I don't want Shrub setting up concentration camps means I like terrorists.

You don't care about the iraqi people.

That's right, if I really cared about them, I would realize that they prefer to be murdered by us than by Hussein. 28 kiltons of explosives, now that's compassionate conservatism!

 

[insein]

Originally posted by SpidermanTuba
So I suppose those pictures of US soldiers gang banging an Iraqi women and forcing their penises into her mouth are depciting and act of consensual sex? Yeah, right, sure, you really are brainwashed if you believe that.

Perhaps you are refering to the photos of the men wearing GREEN Fatigues and GREEN Face paint in the DESERT? Thats the same kinda shit thats all over our fair internet that you kind find for just pennies a month and a credit card number that ends up getting charged much more than that.

Perhaps you ought to ask Ronald Reagan and Donald Rumsfeld that question. I wasn't really in the position to do anything at the time, considering I wasn't even 18 in the 80's, but Ronnie Reagan and ole Rumsfeld sat back, watched it happen, and refused use the power of the US to intervene. In fact, as a reward for gassing and slaughtering his own people, old Ronnie took them off the list of nations that support terrorism. Perhaps you ought be asking ole Rumsfeld, not me.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/press.htm

Perhaps we wouldnt have to ask them if it wasnt for Carter eliminating our only friend in the Middle East in Iran and allowing it to Fall into the hands of one of the founders of Anti-Americanism, the Aayatollah. So we had to side with the lesser of 2 evils which we are now rectifying that lesser evils regime all these years later. We can play the blame game pretty far back you know.

I apologize, I forget that I am not allowed to talk about our transgressions without talking about the enemy's transgressions. You warmongers seem to forget often how bad the enemy is, and need reminding. I can't figure out why, but in fact, it seems all you ever want to do is talk about how bad the enemy is, even though we all already know how bad the enemy is. You're obsessed with it and it blinds you. If you like, I can modify my signature line to say that terrorists are bad, too. I think I'll do that, I wouldn't want weak minded warmongers to think that just because I don't want Shrub setting up concentration camps means I like terrorists.

Again with the concetration camps. I think we should all wait to see whats really going on before we say that word. You'd have us beleive that this is worse than the holocaust.

That's right, if I really cared about them, I would realize that they prefer to be murdered by us than by Hussein. 28 kiltons of explosives, now that's compassionate conservatism!

In war, bombs are dropped. Casualties occur. Did we ever apologize to all those families in Europe when we simply dropped bombs in the country side? All those innocent Germans killed simply for being in the way. It happens. With technology however, we have been able to limit the number of civilian casualites. We are not purposely targetting civilians as some liberals would have us believe, Kucinich. We try our hardest to avoid these sad eventualities of war. Even the enemy knows we won't target civilians. Why else would they hide amongst them in their mosques, in civilian clothes? they know we won't just straight up bomb them then. We'll have to go in with man patrols that put our soldiers at higher risk.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

Perhaps you are refering to the photos of the men wearing GREEN Fatigues and GREEN Face paint in the DESERT?

Seems kind of dumb, right? Perhaps you ought tell ole Donnie Rummie that the one guy wearing green in these photos is obviously not guilty because he has green on.

Perhaps we wouldnt have to ask them if it wasnt for Carter eliminating our only friend in the Middle East in Iran and allowing it to Fall into the hands of one of the founders of Anti-Americanism, the Aayatollah.

Right, everything is Carter and Clinton's fault. Carter forced Reagan to remove Iraqi from the list of terrorist nations and to start showing them how to manufacture WMD, right, sure. Funny I don't see any pictures of Democrats shaking Saddam's hand.

You'd have us beleive that this is worse than the holocaust.

No, you'd have us believe that I'd have everyone believe that. I never said that, did I? You just made it up in your head because you couldn't think of a more mature response. These aren't POW camps, they're not jails or prisons, that only leaves concentration camps and gulags. You would prefer gulag?

We are not purposely targetting civilians

So purposefully bombing the Iraqi TV station where we knew civilians to be working isn't purposefully targeting civilians? WTF? OK, I get it, if you purposefully kill civilians because you hate them, like the terrorists, that's "targeting civilians", but if you purposefully kill civilians because you just don't give a flip if they live or die (apathy is worse than hate), that's OK?

We try our hardest to avoid these sad eventualities of war.

yes, purposefully dropping bombs on innocent people is trying really really hard., Sure.

Even the enemy knows we won't target civilians.

Do you have evidence to support that claim, or did you just make it up in your head? I'm sure the fact that we consider purposefully dropping bombs on civilians and killing them to be "accidental" is a lot of comfort to the families of those we killed and those we maimed. Perhaps you should tell the young boy whose familiy we killed and arms we blew off that we really didn't want it to happen that way, I'm sure he'll find that really comforting.

Why else would they hide amongst them in their mosques, in civilian clothes?

Maybe we should buy them all uniforms. Most of them weren't armed insurgents till we showed up. Perhaps we can offer them uniforms in exchange for their weapons. I'm sure if a foreign superpower invaded your country and started shelling your town, and you knew they wouldn't hit the church, you wouldn't go to the church, you would just stand right out in the open to get killed.

 

[insein]

Originally posted by SpidermanTuba
Seems kind of dumb, right? Perhaps you ought tell ole Donnie Rummie that the one guy wearing green in these photos is obviously not guilty because he has green on.

They seem to be the same pictures shown over and over agin on the news. No one is disputing those. What those people did was wrong and will be punished. However, where are iraqi women being raped? PErhaps you were referring to these photos when you had your misguided belief.

http://www.aztlan.net/iraqi_women_raped.htm

Notice the green fatigues and green face paint. So effective in desert combat.

Right, everything is Carter and Clinton's fault. Carter forced Reagan to remove Iraqi from the list of terrorist nations and to start showing them how to manufacture WMD, right, sure. Funny I don't see any pictures of Democrats shaking Saddam's hand.

I didnt start the blame game. I feel that our situation is a result of negligence from every administration dating way back to JFK. The reason i present evidence that shows Clinton and Carter had a hand in all of this is to refute people who put the blame squarely on Bush or Reagan.

No, you'd have us believe that I'd have everyone believe that. I never said that, did I? You just made it up in your head because you couldn't think of a more mature response. These aren't POW camps, they're not jails or prisons, that only leaves concentration camps and gulags. You would prefer gulag?

Evidence? Proof? Im seeing nothing here? I see photos of an incident in a PRISON. No gulags. No Concentration camps. No Torture Rooms. Bring me something solid besides your fecal matter that you hurl at the president.

So purposefully bombing the Iraqi TV station where we knew civilians to be working isn't purposefully targeting civilians? WTF? OK, I get it, if you purposefully kill civilians because you hate them, like the terrorists, that's "targeting civilians", but if you purposefully kill civilians because you just don't give a flip if they live or die (apathy is worse than hate), that's OK?

yes, purposefully dropping bombs on innocent people is trying really really hard., Sure.

When did this happen? Where's your proof of this? Or is this also on the list of imaginary occurrences that you perceived happened because of us going to war? Where is your proof that the military hates civilians or feels apathetic about their lives? Or that they are targeting innocent people?

Do you have evidence to support that claim, or did you just make it up in your head? I'm sure the fact that we consider purposefully dropping bombs on civilians and killing them to be "accidental" is a lot of comfort to the families of those we killed and those we maimed. Perhaps you should tell the young boy whose familiy we killed and arms we blew off that we really didn't want it to happen that way, I'm sure he'll find that really comforting.

Again wheres you evidence that we said "Fuck you kid! we're blowing your arms off!"? Were you one of those people that cheered or said we got what was coming to us when the towers fell? And again what was your reaction when our contractors who came over there to help these people were killed and drug off to be hung as a trophy for all to see?

Maybe we should buy them all uniforms. Most of them weren't armed insurgents till we showed up. Perhaps we can offer them uniforms in exchange for their weapons. I'm sure if a foreign superpower invaded your country and started shelling your town, and you knew they wouldn't hit the church, you wouldn't go to the church, you would just stand right out in the open to get killed.

Notice how the thousands of other towns in IRaq didnt give a resistance to the soldiers and werent shelled into that submission either. Notice how force wasnt used until they were met with force against these insurgents. Notice even during this "cease fire" insurgents still fired upon US soldiers that stood firm at their check points and only fired back when shot at. They are the enemy hiding amonst the civilian population. If we were truly cold and heartless as you again would have us believe, would we not have just leveled these towns and said "Fuck you innocent Iraqis"? Better yet, why bother going in and getting our soldiers killed for their freedom. LEts just target them with nukes and end it all now. We'd save alot of time and we'd achieve our goal of targeting the civilian population over there on a 100% kill ratio. We kill 2 birds with one stone.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

Notice the green fatigues and green face paint. So effective in desert combat.

Do you have a point? It's not my fault these freaks decided to wear their green fatigues and face paint to rape someone.

I didnt start the blame game.

Neither did I. I wasn't trying to blame anyone. You seem to think the Republicans care an aweful lot about the iraqi people, and I'm telling you that by the way Reagan and Hussein were bootie buddies back in the 80's, I don't really think the Republicans give a hoot about the IRaqi people unless its politically advantageous for them to do so.

I see photos of an incident in a PRISON.

I'm sorry, but Americans put people formally charged and/or convicted with/of crimes in prisons, not people we round up off the street because we think they're bad. Those are gulags, or, "detention centers" if you prefer the Bush PC term for them. A prison implies a system of justice - there is no system of justice there, except apparenly whatever the prison guards like to do. And in prisons, at least, American prisons, people aren't tortured as a routine method of interrogation.

When did this happen? Where's your proof of this?

Oh gimme a break! Are you really that ignorant about the types of things we bomb? We bombed the iraqi TV station, and if I have to look up this article for another ignorant warmonger to lazy to do a google search again, I swear, I'm going to go crazy.


Try here

or here


Or even your hero FOX news has the story

We knew there were civilians there, and we bombed the place, if that's not purposefully killing civilians then WTF is?

Again wheres you evidence that we said "Fuck you kid! we're blowing your arms off!"?

Well considering we never said that, nor did I claim we did, there's no evidence of it. If we said anything it was "Whoops, sorry about that buddy, didn't think that bomb we dropped next door would blow your arms off!"

Were you one of those people that cheered or said we got what was coming to us when the towers fell?

Would it make you feel better about yourself if I said yes?

And again what was your reaction when our contractors who came over there to help these people were killed and drug off to be hung as a trophy for all to see?

I was really surprised, let me tell you. We blow up their cities, invade their country, make thousands of them "disappear," and I expected them to love us for it.

They are the enemy hiding amonst the civilian population.

You know, I think the US has seen a situation like that before, and we apparently learned absolutely nothing from it.

would we not have just leveled these towns and said "Fuck you innocent Iraqis"?

The mere fact that we aren't killing each and every one of them obvioulsy must mean we care. Tell that to the families of men who have disappeared into Shrub's gulags.

Better yet, why bother going in and getting our soldiers killed for their freedom.

We tried sending soldiers to fight for people's freedom other than our own before, and do you remember what happened?

 

[insein]

Originally posted by SpidermanTuba
Do you have a point? It's not my fault these freaks decided to wear their green fatigues and face paint to rape someone.

With that you've lost your freaking mind. Think about it. Why would Soldiers be ISSUED Forrest Fatigues for DESERT combat? So they can be seen better by the enemy? You lost all credibility with me on your rape stories.

Neither did I. I wasn't trying to blame anyone. You seem to think the Republicans care an aweful lot about the iraqi people, and I'm telling you that by the way Reagan and Hussein were bootie buddies back in the 80's, I don't really think the Republicans give a hoot about the IRaqi people unless its politically advantageous for them to do so.

For someone not blaming anyone, you sure seem to think Bush had everything to do with everything thats wrong with Iraq. Plus Reagan sure doesnt seem like he escapes your wraith much either.

I'm sorry, but Americans put people formally charged and/or convicted with/of crimes in prisons, not people we round up off the street because we think they're bad. Those are gulags, or, "detention centers" if you prefer the Bush PC term for them. A prison implies a system of justice - there is no system of justice there, except apparenly whatever the prison guards like to do. And in prisons, at least, American prisons, people aren't tortured as a routine method of interrogation.

You're rounded up after you commit a crime. Lets say burglary or assault against another person. Where do the police take you? To court right then and there so you can be tried and convicted? No you goto jail until you are released on either bond or until your trial comes. And again, its one incident that has occurred. You seem to think that this is standard practice. wheres that proof you keep forgetting?

Oh gimme a break! Are you really that ignorant about the types of things we bomb? We bombed the iraqi TV station, and if I have to look up this article for another ignorant warmonger to lazy to do a google search again, I swear, I'm going to go crazy.


Try here

or here


Or even your hero FOX news has the story

We knew there were civilians there, and we bombed the place, if that's not purposefully killing civilians then WTF is?

Doesn't seem to me like civilians were killed in these attacks unless all 3 of these articles neglects to mention that. Especially when it states "Iraq's state domestic television service, which doesn't broadcast around the clock, was not on the air at the time." When this station was calling for the Iraqi people to take up arms and fight the Americans, it becomes a military target. Thus it was taken out and no one was harmed.

Well considering we never said that, nor did I claim we did, there's no evidence of it. If we said anything it was "Whoops, sorry about that buddy, didn't think that bomb we dropped next door would blow your arms off!"

Casualties occur in War.

Would it make you feel better about yourself if I said yes?

All the answer i needed.

I was really surprised, let me tell you. We blow up their cities, invade their country, make thousands of them "disappear," and I expected them to love us for it.

All the answer i needed.

You know, I think the US has seen a situation like that before, and we apparently learned absolutely nothing from it.

More of your true colors starting to show.

The mere fact that we aren't killing each and every one of them obvioulsy must mean we care. Tell that to the families of men who have disappeared into Shrub's gulags.

Yep we're rounding them up because Sadaam wasnt doin the job quick or efficiently. We can do it soo much better than he.

We tried sending soldiers to fight for people's freedom other than our own before, and do you remember what happened?

Except that this War was to protect us from being a possible target for Sadaam and his WMDs or his possible nukes. This war was to enforce the Sanctions that the UN put on Sadaam but never enforced for 13 years. Liberating the Iraqis was merely a bonus to them. Our interests were at the forefront, for a change, as opposed to other conflicts that we went into for "Humanitarian" aide during the 90's.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

Why would Soldiers be ISSUED Forrest Fatigues for DESERT combat?

Like I already said, ask the one guy wearing green in THESE photos, I'm sure he will be able to answer your question. Perhaps you can contact his superiors and find out why he was issued green fatigues.

You're rounded up after you commit a crime. Lets say burglary or assault against another person. Where do the police take you? To court right then and there so you can be tried and convicted? No you goto jail until you are released on either bond or until your trial comes.

Yeah, and if they can't charge you, usually within 24 hours, they have to let you go. I don't know if you're aware, but in American jails we can't just hold people as long as we want without charging them.

And again, its one incident that has occurred.

Right, sure, and Ralph Nader is going to be the next President of the United States.

You seem to think that this is standard practice.

You mean systematically rounding up people, telling everyone they have no rights, and holding them indefinitely? Where have you been since 9/11? Under a rock?

Doesn't seem to me like civilians were killed in these attacks unless all 3 of these articles neglects to mention that. Especially when it states "Iraq's state domestic television service, which doesn't broadcast around the clock, was not on the air at the time." When this station was calling for the Iraqi people to take up arms and fight the Americans, it becomes a military target. Thus it was taken out and no one was harmed.

Right, when a TV station is off the air, that obviously means no one is there. How do you know no one was harmed? Were you there? I didn't think so.

Casualties occur in War.

Gee, thanks for that bit of information, I had no idea. You obvioulsy don't get the point. Yes, innocent people are killed in every single war, that's why, when you start a war in Iraq like we did, knowing it inevitably will result in the loss of innocent life, you are responsible for that loss of life because you were aware of the consequences. You'd probably have drunk drivers who kill other drivers do no time at all because they didn't mean to hurt anyone.

All the answer i needed.

You go on pretending you know who I am. I wouldn't want to shatter the fragile false reality you've set up for yourself.

Yep we're rounding them up because Sadaam wasnt doin the job quick or efficiently. We can do it soo much better than he.

We are pretty efficient at it, aren't we? I mean, we've already disappeard 10,000 people in Iraq, not to mention outright killing 8000 civilians and god knows how many draftees, we've only been there a little over a year. That's not bad.

Except that this War was to protect us from being a possible target for Sadaam and his WMDs or his possible nukes.

Umm... what WMD? What nukes? Oh, right, wouldn't would to shatter your false reality. I'll do it anyway. Guess what, Saddam didn't have WMD. Guess what, there's no evidence Saddam had reactivated his nuclear program. Sorry, you're going to have to invent another excuse now.

This war was to enforce the Sanctions that the UN put on Sadaam but never enforced for 13 years.

Oh, I get it, the US doesn't have to do what the UN says, but the rest of the world sure does, yeah, that's not a double standard or anything.

Liberating the Iraqis was merely a bonus to them.

That's what the Nazis said about the Polish.

 

[insein]

Sigh. I'll answer a few more then ill leave you to the dogs.

Yeah, and if they can't charge you, usually within 24 hours, they have to let you go. I don't know if you're aware, but in American jails we can't just hold people as long as we want without charging them.

Who said they werent charged? I imagine if they are in there they have been charge with something.

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Doesn't seem to me like civilians were killed in these attacks unless all 3 of these articles neglects to mention that. Especially when it states "Iraq's state domestic television service, which doesn't broadcast around the clock, was not on the air at the time." When this station was calling for the Iraqi people to take up arms and fight the Americans, it becomes a military target. Thus it was taken out and no one was harmed.
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Right, when a TV station is off the air, that obviously means no one is there. How do you know no one was harmed? Were you there? I didn't think so.

They were your links. All 3 said nothing of casualties. Do we imply casualties now whenever we do anything over there?

Gee, thanks for that bit of information, I had no idea. You obvioulsy don't get the point. Yes, innocent people are killed in every single war, that's why, when you start a war in Iraq like we did, knowing it inevitably will result in the loss of innocent life, you are responsible for that loss of life because you were aware of the consequences. You'd probably have drunk drivers who kill other drivers do no time at all because they didn't mean to hurt anyone.

And you would have us try every American president that has ever served during Wartime. Washington, Lincoln, FDR, JFK, Reagan, Clinotn, Bush. Where would you stop? Would you try our ForeFathers for killing innocent British colonists who got in the way during the Revolution?

And one last one...

Umm... what WMD? What nukes? Oh, right, wouldn't would to shatter your false reality. I'll do it anyway. Guess what, Saddam didn't have WMD. Guess what, there's no evidence Saddam had reactivated his nuclear program. Sorry, you're going to have to invent another excuse now.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/...17/141224.shtml
WMD's in Syria you say? Jordan foiled a plot to kill 80,000? Syria got them from where? Iraq? No they don't have any WMDs.

http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=482
Whats that? Debka said that awhile ago? Hmmm...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,109338,00.html
Whats that? Al Queda terror cell in iraq? Hmmm that can't be because Al Queda and Iraq don't like each other and have nothing to do with one another.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Stor...,779359,00.html
Whats that terror Camp reported in 2002 by a Liberal newspaper? Imagine that.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast.../jordan.terror/
Hmmm even CNN has shown that these attackers received training in Iraq and weapons from Syria.

So enjoy your stay here at USMB. Im sure itll be a short one with idiotic posts like yours.