Liberalism, Socialism, and Communism are failures in history

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    How do people still believe in these ideas when they have continually failed throughout history? They have never worked throughout the history of the world. It is a dream that can only be realized in a dream world. For these ideals to work everything in this world would have to be perfect. Perfect resources, perfect people, and perfect government are the only way for a utopian society to exist. Because nothing is perfect these ideals are complete disasters.
    The famous phrase “Capitalism is the worst form of government except for all the others that have been tried” is accurate for a reason. Capitalism is a belief in the top down affect and those that believe it is a failure live life with full blinders on. America is the proof capitalism works when un-restricted by social agendas. Then when social agendas become too heavy and weaken the top the rest fall with them. Not just the rest in America but the rest of the world. There will always be the have’s and have not’s the only difference is whom comprises these two groups. In Capitalism they are those that find a way to obtain their own wealth, in a social society it is the government and who the government decides should be wealthy.
    I would love to know what exactly a liberal would hope to achieve by a fundamental transformation of the United States to a social society. What do you think would be better? I have to say I can not see it and would love to know what it is you see. So if you have an idea I would love to hear it.
     
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    You misspelled 'libertarianism'.
     
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    The Progressive Leaders know its a failure and thats why they want to inflict it on the USA, to destroy it. The mindless Lib drones either defend it or blame Reagan and Bush for it not working
     
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    So is Empire building.
     
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    Yeah, but it's great while it lasts
     
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    Well....communism and socialism can work quite well on a small scale, and proved very useful in the short run in industrializing the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, though that success could not continue in the long run.


    The actual phrase is "Democracy is the worst form of government except for all othe known forms of government." Capitalism is an economic system, not a form of government. There's no reason at all you can't have a capitalist system and a dictatorial government.


    No, it's not. Capitalism is an economic system where the means of production (Capital) is owned by private individuals/companies. There are several different forms of capitalism, some of which allow socialist control of public welfare sectors of the economy such as health care and other social welfare.
     
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    A social society allows the government to decide who is worthy and who is not? Now I get it, I always wondered why the plain Janes were debutatante's and the hotties had had boyfriends and lovers for years before the debutantes's 'ball' Damn government can't do anything correct.
     
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    I'm having a little trouble with your premise. Socialism and Communism have only been around for about 100 years. There are no purely socialistic systems to examine. The successful hybrids in Europe like Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and Finland have a great quality of life and most of their people approve of their systems. Although they don't have the material wealth most Americans do, they place a higher value on education and public welfare than they do nicer cars and big houses, in general.

    Communism was successful in China from 1945-1980 in the sense that it allowed the Chinese to feed their starving people. Sure...Mao was a bloodthirsty tyrant...but China was screwed up and broken after WWII.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is...if you liove in a communist or socialist/hybrid country, with the exception of like North Korea, there is good and bad. If you live in capitalist countries like the US, Brazil, India, or today's China, there is good and bad.

    Statements like "communism, liberalism, or socilaism has NEVER worked" is misleading in several ways. 1. Communism and liberalism as concepts are not the main reasons the countries who've used them have failed. 2. It's just simplistic drivel that conservative media has been pushing since February 2009 in a play to imply that Democrats are all liberal socilaist communists.
     
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    Capitalism is a disease. I causes politicians to steer foreign policy as directed by their pimps. Corporations.
     
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    The first governments ever created by mankind were social democracies. They worked fairly well until the Eurotrash showed up and diseased or slaughtered them.
     

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