Liberal logic

[RetiredGySgt]

Bush was President for 8 years and the deficit went up 6 trillion dollars. The left HOWLED like mad about that, insisting it was all bad debt.

Obama is President 4 years and the deficit went up 6 trillion dollars ( twice as fast as under Bush) the Rating for debt in the Country was cut because Obama and the Dems won't cut spending. And that is GOOD debt according to the Left.

They whined about Bush and still do, while praising Obama who has doubled down on everything Bush did. Same laws, double the spending, same wars plus more. And still Bush's debt was worse then Obama spending it TWICE as fast.

Liberal Logic seems a bit mixed up?

 

[daveman]

You expect consistency from people who believe this?

 

[rdean]

Bush was President for 8 years and the deficit went up 6 trillion dollars. The left HOWLED like mad about that, insisting it was all bad debt.

Obama is President 4 years and the deficit went up 6 trillion dollars ( twice as fast as under Bush) the Rating for debt in the Country was cut because Obama and the Dems won't cut spending. And that is GOOD debt according to the Left.

They whined about Bush and still do, while praising Obama who has doubled down on everything Bush did. Same laws, double the spending, same wars plus more. And still Bush's debt was worse then Obama spending it TWICE as fast.

Liberal Logic seems a bit mixed up?

6 trillion? Just the cost of the Bush tax cuts for the rich and the two wars was 6 trillion. You forgot the "drugs for votes" bill and the cost of tens of thousands of Americans maimed in Iraq and the cost of rebuilding our military and the cost.....Well, you get the picture.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Bush was President for 8 years and the deficit went up 6 trillion dollars. The left HOWLED like mad about that, insisting it was all bad debt.

Obama is President 4 years and the deficit went up 6 trillion dollars ( twice as fast as under Bush) the Rating for debt in the Country was cut because Obama and the Dems won't cut spending. And that is GOOD debt according to the Left.

They whined about Bush and still do, while praising Obama who has doubled down on everything Bush did. Same laws, double the spending, same wars plus more. And still Bush's debt was worse then Obama spending it TWICE as fast.

Liberal Logic seems a bit mixed up?

6 trillion? Just the cost of the Bush tax cuts for the rich and the two wars was 6 trillion. You forgot the "drugs for votes" bill and the cost of tens of thousands of Americans maimed in Iraq and the cost of rebuilding our military and the cost.....Well, you get the picture.

There yo go again - Messing up that Phony Conservative "Logic" with facts.

Certainly shut them up though.

Now if they could just get a frikken clue about how much it will cost to dig us out of thei BUSH recession ...

 

[ladyliberal]

Bush was President for 8 years and the deficit went up 6 trillion dollars. The left HOWLED like mad about that, insisting it was all bad debt.

Obama is President 4 years and the deficit went up 6 trillion dollars ( twice as fast as under Bush) the Rating for debt in the Country was cut because Obama and the Dems won't cut spending. And that is GOOD debt according to the Left.

They whined about Bush and still do, while praising Obama who has doubled down on everything Bush did. Same laws, double the spending, same wars plus more. And still Bush's debt was worse then Obama spending it TWICE as fast.

Liberal Logic seems a bit mixed up?

Your original post contains a number of false and unsupported premises. As a self-identified liberal though, I do prefer Obama's spending to Bush's. Not every dollar of debt is created equal, and Obama's have gone to better causes:

- While yes, Obama has prosecuted wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, he has endeavored to end them, whereas Bush began them. This is an important distinction.

- Much of Bush's debt came from tax cuts for rich people. Obama has tried, albeit unsuccessfully, to end this practice.

- Much of Obama's debt comes from declining revenues owing to a poor economy he inherited from his predecessor. Bush inherited a much healthier one from his.

So yes, as a liberal I support more of Obama's policies than Bush's.

 

[Inthemiddle]

Bush was President for 8 years and the deficit went up 6 trillion dollars. The left HOWLED like mad about that, insisting it was all bad debt.

Obama is President 4 years and the deficit went up 6 trillion dollars ( twice as fast as under Bush) the Rating for debt in the Country was cut because Obama and the Dems won't cut spending. And that is GOOD debt according to the Left.

They whined about Bush and still do, while praising Obama who has doubled down on everything Bush did. Same laws, double the spending, same wars plus more. And still Bush's debt was worse then Obama spending it TWICE as fast.

Liberal Logic seems a bit mixed up?

Your original post contains a number of false and unsupported premises. As a self-identified liberal though, I do prefer Obama's spending to Bush's. Not every dollar of debt is created equal, and Obama's have gone to better causes:

- While yes, Obama has prosecuted wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, he has endeavored to end them, whereas Bush began them. This is an important distinction.

- Much of Bush's debt came from tax cuts for rich people. Obama has tried, albeit unsuccessfully, to end this practice.

- Much of Obama's debt comes from declining revenues owing to a poor economy he inherited from his predecessor. Bush inherited a much healthier one from his.

So yes, as a liberal I support more of Obama's policies than Bush's.

A very well said and thought out post. This goes to show the dangers of engaging in BS arguments against someone just because you dislike their politics, thinking that any mud is good mud. As someone who has been critical of Obama since day one, threads like this really make me reconsider my views on him and whether I would be inclined to vote for him this coming November. When 90% of the stuff said by most people against Obama is this kind of blathering BS, and Obama supporters are so able to offer succinct defense of him, the detractors are just hurting their own cause over and over again. At this point, the best thing I can say is that if you dislike Obama, then just shut the fuck up. Because the most ardent Obama detractors at this point are becoming his MVPs.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Obama derangement goes on as evidenced by the pitiful excuses given for defending Obama's 6 trillion versus Bush's in TWICE the time.

By the way when if ever did Obama actually sign a Budget for the Country and not a continuing resolution?

We get it you think debt is good anytime YOU spend it but bad when it is not for your pet projects.

As for cutting the deficit Obama keeps asking for MORE, his own party refused to vote for a single one of his budget requests in the Senate. By the way? Obama ended nothing. Iraq was scheduled to end BY Bush. All Obama did is carry out the time line. Even though he promised in 2008 to end the Iraq war as soon as he was President. To end the Afghan war as soon as he was President and to close Gitmo as soon as he was President.

Not only did he do NONE of that, he tried to try terrorists caught by the military in Federal Courts, even though they had been given none of the protections under Federal law to be tried there. he got spanked on that TWICE. He started 3 more wars with out even asking Congress for permission. I don't recall any whines from the left on the war Powers act then, or the cost in money or lives. He supported the very terror organization that flew planes into 3 buildings.

He assassinated an American citizen with out EVER even charging him with a crime. Ohh ya and his 16 year old son.

He signed the Patriot Act every time the Democrats in Congress renewed it. He ask for and signed laws allowing him to illegally use the military inside the US for police work. He supports and demands that 12 million illegal Mexicans be made legal. He refuses to close the border, meaning if he gets his amnesty the next 10 million will flock in expecting the same thing.

His DOJ ran 2 illegal gun scams that let thousands of weapons go to Mexico to drug cartels with absolutely no way to ever track them, they didn't even inform the Mexican Government they were doing it. And now we have a member of one of the Cartels claiming the DOJ gave his Cartel immunity to BUY the guns and run drugs into the US for information on other cartels.

He violated the Constitution with Obama Care and an illegal appointment that requires Senate approval. He made a Presidential signing statement that clearly states he will violate the very law h signed cause he doesn't agree with it. He will chose when to hire 4 Czars the Congress specifically told him he can not pay for. He stated he will ignore parts of the law because he doesn't like them. And you people cheer him on.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Bush was President for 8 years and the deficit went up 6 trillion dollars. The left HOWLED like mad about that, insisting it was all bad debt.

Obama is President 4 years and the deficit went up 6 trillion dollars ( twice as fast as under Bush) the Rating for debt in the Country was cut because Obama and the Dems won't cut spending. And that is GOOD debt according to the Left.

They whined about Bush and still do, while praising Obama who has doubled down on everything Bush did. Same laws, double the spending, same wars plus more. And still Bush's debt was worse then Obama spending it TWICE as fast.

Liberal Logic seems a bit mixed up?

If you don't understand the difference in the economies then there's no point in arguing.


Your simpleton post reminds me I have to go take dump.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Bush was President for 8 years and the deficit went up 6 trillion dollars. The left HOWLED like mad about that, insisting it was all bad debt.

Obama is President 4 years and the deficit went up 6 trillion dollars ( twice as fast as under Bush) the Rating for debt in the Country was cut because Obama and the Dems won't cut spending. And that is GOOD debt according to the Left.

They whined about Bush and still do, while praising Obama who has doubled down on everything Bush did. Same laws, double the spending, same wars plus more. And still Bush's debt was worse then Obama spending it TWICE as fast.

Liberal Logic seems a bit mixed up?

Your original post contains a number of false and unsupported premises. As a self-identified liberal though, I do prefer Obama's spending to Bush's. Not every dollar of debt is created equal, and Obama's have gone to better causes:

- While yes, Obama has prosecuted wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, he has endeavored to end them, whereas Bush began them. This is an important distinction.

- Much of Bush's debt came from tax cuts for rich people. Obama has tried, albeit unsuccessfully, to end this practice.

- Much of Obama's debt comes from declining revenues owing to a poor economy he inherited from his predecessor. Bush inherited a much healthier one from his.

So yes, as a liberal I support more of Obama's policies than Bush's.

A very well said and thought out post. This goes to show the dangers of engaging in BS arguments against someone just because you dislike their politics, thinking that any mud is good mud. As someone who has been critical of Obama since day one, threads like this really make me reconsider my views on him and whether I would be inclined to vote for him this coming November. When 90% of the stuff said by most people against Obama is this kind of blathering BS, and Obama supporters are so able to offer succinct defense of him, the detractors are just hurting their own cause over and over again. At this point, the best thing I can say is that if you dislike Obama, then just shut the fuck up. Because the most ardent Obama detractors at this point are becoming his MVPs.

Just one small problem, what she said simply isn't true. Obama did not end the Iraq war. Bush set the time table and Obama simply followed it. He changed nothing from the Bush set time table.

He did nothing about Afghanistan to end it, in fact he sent in thousands of more troops and nearly started a war with Pakistan. He doesn't even have a plan, stating he is not in Afghanistan to win.

Obama has INCREASED the deficit twice as fast by demanding and getting more money each year while refusing to even sign a budget. If it is due to declining revenue then explain why he is spending twice as much as Bush and absolutely refusing to cut anything. The Democratic Senate would not even cast one vote in support of his requested Budget last year. NOT a single vote.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Your original post contains a number of false and unsupported premises. As a self-identified liberal though, I do prefer Obama's spending to Bush's. Not every dollar of debt is created equal, and Obama's have gone to better causes:

- While yes, Obama has prosecuted wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, he has endeavored to end them, whereas Bush began them. This is an important distinction.

- Much of Bush's debt came from tax cuts for rich people. Obama has tried, albeit unsuccessfully, to end this practice.

- Much of Obama's debt comes from declining revenues owing to a poor economy he inherited from his predecessor. Bush inherited a much healthier one from his.

So yes, as a liberal I support more of Obama's policies than Bush's.

A very well said and thought out post. This goes to show the dangers of engaging in BS arguments against someone just because you dislike their politics, thinking that any mud is good mud. As someone who has been critical of Obama since day one, threads like this really make me reconsider my views on him and whether I would be inclined to vote for him this coming November. When 90% of the stuff said by most people against Obama is this kind of blathering BS, and Obama supporters are so able to offer succinct defense of him, the detractors are just hurting their own cause over and over again. At this point, the best thing I can say is that if you dislike Obama, then just shut the fuck up. Because the most ardent Obama detractors at this point are becoming his MVPs.

Just one small problem, what she said simply isn't true. Obama did not end the Iraq war. Bush set the time table and Obama simply followed it. He changed nothing from the Bush set time table.

So Obama does what the Republican suggests - he's an idiot - he doesn't do what the Republican suggests - he's an idiot then, too.

We got it. You hate Obama. No need to reiterate the same point over and over.

 

[Ed Spacer]

I have simple solutions for this. The congress has a blank socialist imposed check of $850 billion to do what they want.eliminate this,foreign aid social security support for illegal immigrants,unecessary federal government agencies and welfare programs and not only is there not a deficit,but profitability.

This would create more than the allowance to erase the woodrow wilson started fedwral income tax slavery to all.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

I have simple solutions for this. The congress has a blank socialist imposed check of $850 billion to do what they want.eliminate this,foreign aid social security support for illegal immigrants,unecessary federal government agencies and welfare programs and not only is there not a deficit,but profitability.

This would create more than the allowance to erase the woodrow wilson started fedwral income tax slavery to all.

That's absurd. It should obviously be $767 billion. Anything more is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and for you to even suggest otherwise means you hate the baby Jesus!

 

[RetiredGySgt]

A very well said and thought out post. This goes to show the dangers of engaging in BS arguments against someone just because you dislike their politics, thinking that any mud is good mud. As someone who has been critical of Obama since day one, threads like this really make me reconsider my views on him and whether I would be inclined to vote for him this coming November. When 90% of the stuff said by most people against Obama is this kind of blathering BS, and Obama supporters are so able to offer succinct defense of him, the detractors are just hurting their own cause over and over again. At this point, the best thing I can say is that if you dislike Obama, then just shut the fuck up. Because the most ardent Obama detractors at this point are becoming his MVPs.

Just one small problem, what she said simply isn't true. Obama did not end the Iraq war. Bush set the time table and Obama simply followed it. He changed nothing from the Bush set time table.

So Obama does what the Republican suggests - he's an idiot - he doesn't do what the Republican suggests - he's an idiot then, too.

We got it. You hate Obama. No need to reiterate the same point over and over.

Again for the terminal stupid, Obama did not end the war. Bush set a time table in 2007, Obama made absolutely NO changes to the time table. The involvement ended on the date established by Bush. Obama simply watched for 3 years as the time line played out.

The only good thing he did is refuse to sign a SOFA agreement letting the Iraqis try any US soldiers that might have remained in Iraq.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Just one small problem, what she said simply isn't true. Obama did not end the Iraq war. Bush set the time table and Obama simply followed it. He changed nothing from the Bush set time table.

So Obama does what the Republican suggests - he's an idiot - he doesn't do what the Republican suggests - he's an idiot then, too.

We got it. You hate Obama. No need to reiterate the same point over and over.

Again for the terminal stupid, Obama did not end the war. Bush set a time table in 2007, Obama made absolutely NO changes to the time table. The involvement ended on the date established by Bush. Obama simply watched for 3 years as the time line played out.

The only good thing he did is refuse to sign a SOFA agreement letting the Iraqis try any US soldiers that might have remained in Iraq.

Dude - WE GOT IT - YOU HATE OBAMA. Like I said, no need to constantly repeat this point ad nauseum. Jeez you're annoying.

 

[Ed Spacer]

Budget prioritization includes complete accpuntability of any funds to the taxpaying us citizens. In my initiatives,congress and the executice iffice will only be able to pass and enact a final fiscal budget with the MAJORITY VOTE OF THE PEOPLE!!!!this is also unconstitutional,taxation without representation.and government working unto itself,socialist imperialism and disregard for the interests of the american citizens.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Budget prioritization includes complete accpuntability of any funds to the taxpaying us citizens. In my initiatives,congress and the executice iffice will only be able to pass and enact a final fiscal budget with the MAJORITY VOTE OF THE PEOPLE!!!!this is also unconstitutional,taxation without representation.and government working unto itself,socialist imperialism and disregard for the interests of the american citizens.

Yeah that's a real practical solution. Clearly the Founders intended the People to directly vote on all issues of appropriation.

 

[Ed Spacer]

In true democracy,at every level of government,nothing can nor will be acted upon without the approval of the people,the ones whos interests are by constitution,the ones that are supposed to be represented by the elected leaders. That wouldbe show for constitutional amendment.

 

[Ed Spacer]

Budget prioritization includes complete accpuntability of any funds to the taxpaying us citizens. In my initiatives,congress and the executice iffice will only be able to pass and enact a final fiscal budget with the MAJORITY VOTE OF THE PEOPLE!!!!this is also unconstitutional,taxation without representation.and government working unto itself,socialist imperialism and disregard for the interests of the american citizens.

Yeah that's a real practical solution. Clearly the Founders intended the People to directly vote on all issues of appropriation.

Damn right. Because it is OUR GOVERNMENT,for the people,of the people,and by the people!!!we should have direct vouce in appropriations,otherwise we do not live in a true democracy.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

In true democracy,at every level of government,nothing can nor will be acted upon without the approval of the people,the ones whos interests are by constitution,the ones that are supposed to be represented by the elected leaders. That wouldbe show for constitutional amendment.

Constitutional amendment? May as well flush the thing down the toilet as you'd be rewriting practically all of Article I.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Budget prioritization includes complete accpuntability of any funds to the taxpaying us citizens. In my initiatives,congress and the executice iffice will only be able to pass and enact a final fiscal budget with the MAJORITY VOTE OF THE PEOPLE!!!!this is also unconstitutional,taxation without representation.and government working unto itself,socialist imperialism and disregard for the interests of the american citizens.

Yeah that's a real practical solution. Clearly the Founders intended the People to directly vote on all issues of appropriation.

Damn right. Because it is OUR GOVERNMENT,for the people,of the people,and by the people!!!we should have direct vouce in appropriations,otherwise we do not live in a true democracy.

the Founders never intended for us to live in any democracy at all.