Letter from my employer concerning Obamacare/Obamatax

[idb]

Disagreeing with Obama is legal. But what Republicans did and are doing is dishonest and immoral. You really need to have an adult explain this to you, because you clearly don't comprehend, you just keep ignoring what they did and parroting the same childish rant.

Dishonest and immoral? Yes, I can see how it might appear that way to someone who operates solely on emotion.

Obama is not king. He doesn't get to dictate the behavior of the opposition party. If they don't like what he's doing, they don't have to support it.

You simply cannot understand that.

Are you willfully ignoring the points raised by Bfgrn?

 

[gallantwarrior]

Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 10:17 AM
To: *General Announcement
Subject: Update - Health Care Reform and **** Insurance Program



Admin: Please post for those without email. Thanks!



Good morning,



There may be some questions about the recent Supreme Court decision on Health Care Reform. Here is a summary from *****, **** insurance broker, regarding the decision and any impact to **** insurance program.

“In a complex 193 page ruling, the Supreme Court ruled that the ‘individual mandate’ in the Patient Protection Affordable Care Act (PPACA) health care law is legal as long as it is an imposed tax for not obtaining health insurance. At this point the **** benefit program complies with all aspects of the PPACA law. The new tax will only impact those individuals that choose not to purchase health insurance and not until 2014. Employer provided benefits, like the **** program, are not subject to employee taxation, unless the benefit qualifies as a ‘Cadillac Plan’ and then not until 2018. The potential taxation of the plan as income to employees in 2018 is an area we will address as the concern becomes more prevalent.”



We’ll keep you posted if and when developments impact our insurance program.



Please call if you have any questions,

****

The reason I post this, is because every time I hear a moron liberal who claims you wont be affected at all unless you do not have a plan, I want to throw something at the TV, radio, or computer screen.
I've been around the block a few times, and you cannot sit there and tell me I wont be affected no matter what. This is a whole new entitlement program that will have it's own burecracy of the federal government. Ever know one of those that do anything but grow ?

Wont affect me or you my ass ! Just wait a few years dumbasses !

It's pretty clear, as of 2018 (at the latest) your health care benefits will be taxed as part of your income. Whether you have health insurance, or not, you WILL be taxed. Period.

 

[Intense]

Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 10:17 AM
To: *General Announcement
Subject: Update - Health Care Reform and **** Insurance Program



Admin: Please post for those without email. Thanks!



Good morning,



There may be some questions about the recent Supreme Court decision on Health Care Reform. Here is a summary from *****, **** insurance broker, regarding the decision and any impact to **** insurance program.

“In a complex 193 page ruling, the Supreme Court ruled that the ‘individual mandate’ in the Patient Protection Affordable Care Act (PPACA) health care law is legal as long as it is an imposed tax for not obtaining health insurance. At this point the **** benefit program complies with all aspects of the PPACA law. The new tax will only impact those individuals that choose not to purchase health insurance and not until 2014. Employer provided benefits, like the **** program, are not subject to employee taxation, unless the benefit qualifies as a ‘Cadillac Plan’ and then not until 2018. The potential taxation of the plan as income to employees in 2018 is an area we will address as the concern becomes more prevalent.”



We’ll keep you posted if and when developments impact our insurance program.



Please call if you have any questions,

****

The reason I post this, is because every time I hear a moron liberal who claims you wont be affected at all unless you do not have a plan, I want to throw something at the TV, radio, or computer screen.
I've been around the block a few times, and you cannot sit there and tell me I wont be affected no matter what. This is a whole new entitlement program that will have it's own burecracy of the federal government. Ever know one of those that do anything but grow ?

Wont affect me or you my ass ! Just wait a few years dumbasses !

Actually, that letter says that you're not affected by the law, as far as they know right now.

It doesn't address the issue of what the Plans will be forced to carry at all. It addresses taxes for those who are uncovered, but employed, and what will happen in regards to Cadillac plans in 2018. Things like the Issue regarding Birth Control, Morning After Pills, and Abortion are not mentioned in the letter, neither are other mandates.

 

[Cowman]

Ahh... people's heads exploding over this is beautiful.

 

[Intense]

Ahh... people's heads exploding over this is beautiful.

It's not that peoples heads are exploding, it's that when yours finally does, and you need treatment, and it get's denied, I only wish I would be there to see the expression on your face when reality sets in.

 

[freedombecki]

Disagreeing with Obama is legal. But what Republicans did and are doing is dishonest and immoral. You really need to have an adult explain this to you, because you clearly don't comprehend, you just keep ignoring what they did and parroting the same childish rant.

Here's some cheese to go with that whine, Bfgrn dear:

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[daveman]

Disagreeing with Obama is legal. But what Republicans did and are doing is dishonest and immoral. You really need to have an adult explain this to you, because you clearly don't comprehend, you just keep ignoring what they did and parroting the same childish rant.

Dishonest and immoral? Yes, I can see how it might appear that way to someone who operates solely on emotion.

Obama is not king. He doesn't get to dictate the behavior of the opposition party. If they don't like what he's doing, they don't have to support it.

You simply cannot understand that.

What you continue to ignore; Republicans didn't disagree with the President on any particular issue, they decided that no matter what he proposed they would use insurgency and obstructionism with the sole intent of destroying the President of the United States. But because you are a super partisan hack, you can't see it or admit that it is dishonest and immoral.

Yet again, you prove my point.

I know you want Obama as king, but it ain't happening. So tough shit for you, huh?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 10:17 AM
To: *General Announcement
Subject: Update - Health Care Reform and **** Insurance Program



Admin: Please post for those without email. Thanks!



Good morning,



There may be some questions about the recent Supreme Court decision on Health Care Reform. Here is a summary from *****, **** insurance broker, regarding the decision and any impact to **** insurance program.

“In a complex 193 page ruling, the Supreme Court ruled that the ‘individual mandate’ in the Patient Protection Affordable Care Act (PPACA) health care law is legal as long as it is an imposed tax for not obtaining health insurance. At this point the **** benefit program complies with all aspects of the PPACA law. The new tax will only impact those individuals that choose not to purchase health insurance and not until 2014. Employer provided benefits, like the **** program, are not subject to employee taxation, unless the benefit qualifies as a ‘Cadillac Plan’ and then not until 2018. The potential taxation of the plan as income to employees in 2018 is an area we will address as the concern becomes more prevalent.”



We’ll keep you posted if and when developments impact our insurance program.



Please call if you have any questions,

****

The reason I post this, is because ...

 

[daveman]

Disagreeing with Obama is legal. But what Republicans did and are doing is dishonest and immoral. You really need to have an adult explain this to you, because you clearly don't comprehend, you just keep ignoring what they did and parroting the same childish rant.

Dishonest and immoral? Yes, I can see how it might appear that way to someone who operates solely on emotion.

Obama is not king. He doesn't get to dictate the behavior of the opposition party. If they don't like what he's doing, they don't have to support it.

You simply cannot understand that.

Are you willfully ignoring the points raised by Bfgrn?

His points are emotional and childish.

No, I will NOT join you idiots in worshiping your little tin god.

 

[idb]

Dishonest and immoral? Yes, I can see how it might appear that way to someone who operates solely on emotion.

Obama is not king. He doesn't get to dictate the behavior of the opposition party. If they don't like what he's doing, they don't have to support it.

You simply cannot understand that.

Are you willfully ignoring the points raised by Bfgrn?

His points are emotional and childish.

No, I will NOT join you idiots in worshiping your little tin god.

That's odd, I was thinking pretty much the same thing about your stance.
In fact, thank you, I couldn't have put it more eloquently.

 

[daveman]

Are you willfully ignoring the points raised by Bfgrn?

His points are emotional and childish.

No, I will NOT join you idiots in worshiping your little tin god.

That's odd, I was thinking pretty much the same thing about your stance.
In fact, thank you, I couldn't have put it more eloquently.

One of us is wrong.

And it's not me.

But thanks for playing!

 

[Bfgrn]

His points are emotional and childish.

No, I will NOT join you idiots in worshiping your little tin god.

That's odd, I was thinking pretty much the same thing about your stance.
In fact, thank you, I couldn't have put it more eloquently.

One of us is wrong.

And it's not me.

But thanks for playing!

I understand. Everything Obama does is wrong. And anything Republicans do is justified. Even if it is dishonest or immoral. Insurgency is no big deal, because Obama is the enemy.

Got it!

 

[daveman]

That's odd, I was thinking pretty much the same thing about your stance.
In fact, thank you, I couldn't have put it more eloquently.

One of us is wrong.

And it's not me.

But thanks for playing!

I understand.

Reality suggests otherwise.

Everything Obama does is wrong.

Not everything. I was pleased with the way he handled the Somali pirates.

And anything Republicans do is justified.

Never said that. Man, you sure are a black-and-white binary thinker, aren't you?

Even if it is dishonest or immoral.

It's neither dishonest nor immoral to oppose policies that contradict your own views.

Why can't you understand that?

Oh, yeah -- because you're an Obama-worshiper.

Insurgency is no big deal, because Obama is the enemy.

Wrong.

Got it!

If you haven't yet, you never will.

 

[Bfgrn]

One of us is wrong.

And it's not me.

But thanks for playing!

I understand.

Reality suggests otherwise.

Not everything. I was pleased with the way he handled the Somali pirates.

Never said that. Man, you sure are a black-and-white binary thinker, aren't you?

It's neither dishonest nor immoral to oppose policies that contradict your own views.

Why can't you understand that?

Oh, yeah -- because you're an Obama-worshiper.

Insurgency is no big deal, because Obama is the enemy.

Wrong.

Got it!

If you haven't yet, you never will.

You are willfully ignoring the facts. I agree that it's neither dishonest nor immoral to oppose policies that contradict your own views. But Republicans didn't oppose policies, they made a collective decision to oppose the President of the United States before any policies were on the table.

I DIDN'T use the word insurgency, A Republican Congressman did.

I DIDN'T accuse Republicans of making a collective decision to undermining health care reform, a Republican did.

"At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama’s Waterloo – just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994"
David Frum - former G.W. Bush speechwriter

As a matter of FACT, David Frum was fired by the right wing think tank American Enterprise Institute for revealing that truth about the tactics Republicans used. And we found out from another Republican that scholars at the same American Enterprise Institute were ordered not to speak to the media because they agreed with too much of what Obama was trying to do.

 

[daveman]

You are willfully ignoring the facts. I agree that it's neither dishonest nor immoral to oppose policies that contradict your own views. But Republicans didn't oppose policies, they made a collective decision to oppose the President of the United States before any policies were on the table.

Oh, so before the election, Obama never said what he wanted to do? Nobody had any idea what he wanted to accomplish and how he wanted to accomplish it?

I DIDN'T use the word insurgency, A Republican Congressman did.

It was just as dumb when he said it as when you do.

I DIDN'T accuse Republicans of making a collective decision to undermining health care reform, a Republican did.

"At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama’s Waterloo – just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994"
David Frum - former G.W. Bush speechwriter

As a matter of FACT, David Frum was fired by the right wing think tank American Enterprise Institute for revealing that truth about the tactics Republicans used. And we found out from another Republican that scholars at the same American Enterprise Institute were ordered not to speak to the media because they agreed with too much of what Obama was trying to do.

Yeah. Not really concerned with what any of them have to say. You see, I can think for myself.

Try it sometime.

 

[Bfgrn]

You are willfully ignoring the facts. I agree that it's neither dishonest nor immoral to oppose policies that contradict your own views. But Republicans didn't oppose policies, they made a collective decision to oppose the President of the United States before any policies were on the table.

Oh, so before the election, Obama never said what he wanted to do? Nobody had any idea what he wanted to accomplish and how he wanted to accomplish it?

I DIDN'T use the word insurgency, A Republican Congressman did.

It was just as dumb when he said it as when you do.

I DIDN'T accuse Republicans of making a collective decision to undermining health care reform, a Republican did.

"At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama’s Waterloo – just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994"
David Frum - former G.W. Bush speechwriter

As a matter of FACT, David Frum was fired by the right wing think tank American Enterprise Institute for revealing that truth about the tactics Republicans used. And we found out from another Republican that scholars at the same American Enterprise Institute were ordered not to speak to the media because they agreed with too much of what Obama was trying to do.

Yeah. Not really concerned with what any of them have to say. You see, I can think for myself.

Try it sometime.

Translation: denial when all else fails.

 

[Zxereus]

Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 10:17 AM
To: *General Announcement
Subject: Update - Health Care Reform and **** Insurance Program



Admin: Please post for those without email. Thanks!



Good morning,



There may be some questions about the recent Supreme Court decision on Health Care Reform. Here is a summary from *****, **** insurance broker, regarding the decision and any impact to **** insurance program.

“In a complex 193 page ruling, the Supreme Court ruled that the ‘individual mandate’ in the Patient Protection Affordable Care Act (PPACA) health care law is legal as long as it is an imposed tax for not obtaining health insurance. At this point the **** benefit program complies with all aspects of the PPACA law. The new tax will only impact those individuals that choose not to purchase health insurance and not until 2014. Employer provided benefits, like the **** program, are not subject to employee taxation, unless the benefit qualifies as a ‘Cadillac Plan’ and then not until 2018. The potential taxation of the plan as income to employees in 2018 is an area we will address as the concern becomes more prevalent.”



We’ll keep you posted if and when developments impact our insurance program.



Please call if you have any questions,

****

The reason I post this, is because ...

Once you lived a few more years, you'll see that entitlement programs do nothing but grow, and at some point that means more money will need to be collected.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

The reason I post this, is because ...

Once you lived a few more years, you'll see that entitlement programs do nothing but grow, and at some point that means more money will need to be collected.

by some counts, this has been the Republican and Conservative argument for over 60 years.

periodically, everything gets remedied, but cons would have Americans throw out the baby with the bathwater. why? cheap, mean-spirited people are just that.

 

[tererun]

The reason I post this, is because ...

Once you lived a few more years, you'll see that entitlement programs do nothing but grow, and at some point that means more money will need to be collected.

Don't all you people get the fact he is right and government entitlement programs are only meant for the rich who do not need the money? It is very easy, no matter what you do you end up paying money to the rich because that is all that matters in this guys world.

You know it makes you life so much easier. Imagine if you had to work with the spoiled useless rich people and their kids. By giving them money we keep their lazy good for nothing asses away from people who actually do something. This improves productivity greatly.