Let’s talk about repealing the Second Amendment

[Bob Blaylock]

Not for people who do not have a conscience

You're a leftist piece of shit, that wants to make honest human beings into easier prey for criminals.

What standing do you think you have to speak of a conscience?

 

[AZrailwhale]

Not ALL weapons.

You are being asked to give up ONE out of hundreds of weapons because it causes too many deaths and the bodies become unrecognizable.

And you cannot do THAT one simple thing.

No we are being asked to give up hundreds of types of weapons.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Unnecessary . AR-15. It is incredible how one has to repeat oneself as others do not read all of the posts.

AR-15, Mini-14, SKS, M-1 Carbine, M1A, BAR (hunting rifle NOT the military weapon), about a hundred different semi-auto shotguns, just to name a few of the ‘assault weapons” you would ban. Of every one that I named, the AR-15 is the least powerful and makes the least damaging wounds.

 

[AZrailwhale]

I have made it very clear, but are you being obtuse?

BAN. AR-15 just as it was BANNED before 2004.

CLEAR NOW. ??????

There were a hundred or so variations of the AR-15 that WEREN’T banned in 2004. That’s why they hade to ban things like “large capacity” magazines, pistol grips, flash suppressors, bayonet lugs, and more items that liberals used to try to get around the law.

 

[candycorn]

Opinion: Let’s talk about repealing the Second Amendment

It’s time to change the frozen political dynamic on mass shootings. We need to address the root cause of our inability to curb gun violence.

ctmirror.org

Well, its good to know that at least SOME people on the left understand the 2nd - as intended - is in the way of what they want to do:
To wit:

Well no - it means exactly that - the law abiding all over the country would lose their right to keep and bear arms at the simplest level.
Beside the point.

The point:
Why don't more of your advocate for this?
Why don't ALL pf you advocate for this?
If you are --serious-- about "gun safety", why are you wasting your time and effort to push for laws you know will be struck as a violation of the 2nd?
The pro-gun side often claims you aren't --serious-- about gun safety -- that your goal is to simply harass and limit the rights of the law abiding in whatever way you can; so long as you push for laws you know will be struck, this is a sound point.

C'mon. Do the work, Spend the time and make the effort.
Convince Congress to pass an amendment to repeal the 2nd.
Convince 38 states to ratify it - the fact 25 states do not require a permit to carry a concealed firearm shouldn't daunt you here - right?
Because otherwise you're just wasting time, needlessly harassing the law abiding, and making lawyers rich.

Isn't there a forum for this sort of stuff?

 

[airplanemechanic]

I do not give a crap what you want to own.

I just want the ban of AR-15 to go back to what it was before 2004.

You obviously know nothing.

Pre 2004 didn't make assault weapons illegal, fucking liberal shithead idiot.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Pay attention as to the number of mass shootings since 2004:

A timeline of mass shootings in the U.S.

Nearly 2,000 people have been killed or injured in mass shootings since 1999

www.reuters.com

How many mass shootings were committed with an assault weapon? Whatever the fuck that even is?

Can you even define an "assault" weapon?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Such a pathetic, foolish creature has no wisdom to offer to any American.

Can'tnadians are like that.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Isn't there a forum for this sort of stuff?

Yes.
This one.
And you, apparently, have no meaningful response.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

You do not wish to believe that it will make a difference that is YOUR problem, and anyone else who insists in thinking like you.

Facts prove you wrong. Check the link I posted. The one with statistics from 2004 to present. Check what it was like before 2004.

That is what I want, back to before 2004.

Hey, I want the 1950's back, but it's not going to happen, just as your pre-2004 society isn't going to happen.
Get used to it, the only thing that is going to slow down the cases of mass shooters, is a locked-down society.
Every school locked down, every shopping center, every parade, e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g!

So go ahead, ban the AR, you'll feel better, but nothing will change.

 

[Sixties Fan]

[ The solution to gun addiction is with each individual ]

Wherever you find addiction, there you find denial. The alcoholic who says, “I can quit any time I want,” and the gambling addict who says, “If I hit this time it’ll all work out,” are in the same boat as those who say, “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people.” They are all addicts in denial, refusing to see the overwhelming evidence of the damage caused by their behavior.

When allowed to continue unchecked, addictions destroy lives.

The neuroscience of addiction is the same regardless of the behavior or substance. The brain doesn’t care if it’s porn addiction, shopping addiction, cigarette addiction, video game addiction or whatever you like, including gun addiction. Here’s how it works: Dopamine is the brain’s neurotransmitter that is released when you expect a reward – when you expect pleasure. The brain is flooded with dopamine when a shooter prepares to fire a gun. Firing a gun releases endorphins – the pleasure hormones – the same ones we experience with sex, with taking certain substances, and with other enjoyable activities. Since the pleasure (BANG! and endorphins) follows the anticipation so quickly and reliably, the brain easily learns to connect the psychological loop: guns – dopamine – pleasure/endorphins. Some brains then become preoccupied with seeking more dopamine. More guns.


The desire for more is another defining characteristic of addiction. The addict develops tolerance and requires more to get the same rush. Americans own more guns in absolute and relative terms than any other nation. We own about half the world’s guns although we make up only 5% of the world’s population.


And some of us own a great many guns. Stephen Paddock, the Las Vegas concert murderer who committed the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history, was found to have an arsenal of 47 deadly weapons. That put him in the 3% of gun owners who own large numbers of guns. This is exactly what addiction theory predicts - some users will seek more guns, bigger guns, with more firepower, in order to achieve the feelings they seek.


When President Trump visited the hospital where some of the victims of the latest school shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland. Florida were being treated, he paid his respects to the doctors.

A genuine show of respect from the President would be heeding the doctors’ words about gun policy.

Organizations representing nearly half a million physicians and medical students, including family physicians, pediatricians and psychiatrists, called on the President and Congress to do the following:

1. Call gun violence what it is, a national public health epidemic.

2. Establish constitutionally appropriate restrictions on the manufacturing and sale, for civilian use, of large-capacity magazines and firearms with features designed to increase their rapid and extended killing capacity.

America's Gun Addiction

Our nation is addicted to guns, with increasingly deadly consequences.

www.psychologytoday.com

 

[Sixties Fan]

[ Non of the article below was written by me ]

I would like to see a discussion about unhealthy gun obsession. I suspect the vast majority of gun owners are reasonable and responsible people. But like alcohol, video games, the internet, or porn, there is always the potential of extreme interest that inteferes with a person’s ability to function within normal and acceptable parameters. Maybe it’s time to examine this, much as we’ve examined alcoholism. With that, I offer the following, a fictional movement, GunAlhololics Anonymous. This my fictional example of a screening they might offer to potential members; it is not founded in real research on the subject.



GunAholics Anonymous is a fellowship of men and women who share their experience, strength and hope with each other that they may solve their common problem and help others to recover from gun addiction.

Gun-addiction screening:

1. Do you own more than 3 guns?
2. Do you own more than 5 guns?
3. Do you own more than 10 guns?
4. Do you feel suspicious of people in general, or uncomfortable around people who don’t own guns?
5. Have you ever thought of brandishing a gun to end an argument or confrontation?
6. Do you spend more than 5 hours a week on gun forums or reading about guns on the internet?
7. Do you stock pile more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition?
8. Do you feel your unsafe when you’re not carrying a gun?
9. Have you purchased guns for family members or loved ones even if they did not want one?
10. Do you always have to have the ‘latest’ in new gun technology?
11. Have you ever left a loaded and unlocked gun around you home or vehicle, just in case?
12. Do you spend more than $5,000/year on guns and ammunition?

If you answered ‘yes’ to 4 or more of these questions, you may have a gun addiction and pose a threat to your family or neighbors. The nearest chapter of GunAholics Anonymous (GAA), a 12-step program for helping gun addicts face their addictions can help.

GAA is not a religious organization nor is it affiliated with any religious body. It welcomes members of all religions, agnostics and atheists alike. You don’t have to sign up or achieve anything to be a member. You’re a member of a group if you choose to be. You can come and go as you please. No one is “in charge” of a group. We work through the offer of help and suggestion only. No one can tell you what you should or shouldn’t do.

Gunaholics Anonymous - Ordinary Times

Note: This post is part of our League Symposium on Guns In America. You can read the introductory post for the Symposium here. To see a list of all posts in the Symposium so...

ordinary-times.com

 

[M14 Shooter]

2. Establish constitutionally appropriate restrictions on the manufacturing and sale, for civilian use, of large-capacity magazines and firearms with features designed to increase their rapid and extended killing capacity.

The Constitution does not support any such restrictions..

 

[M14 Shooter]

If you answered ‘yes’ to 4 or more of these questions, you may have a gun addiction and pose a threat to your family or neighbors.

Absolute nonsense.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

I would like to see a discussion about unhealthy gun obsession. I suspect the vast majority of gun owners are reasonable and responsible people. But like alcohol, video games, the internet, or porn, there is always the potential of extreme interest that inteferes with a person’s ability to function within normal and acceptable parameters. Maybe it’s time to examine this, much as we’ve examined alcoholism. With that, I offer the following, a fictional movement, GunAlhololics Anonymous. This my fictional example of a screening they might offer to potential members; it is not founded in real research on the subject.



GunAholics Anonymous is a fellowship of men and women who share their experience, strength and hope with each other that they may solve their common problem and help others to recover from gun addiction.

Gun-addiction screening:

1. Do you own more than 3 guns?
2. Do you own more than 5 guns?
3. Do you own more than 10 guns?
4. Do you feel suspicious of people in general, or uncomfortable around people who don’t own guns?
5. Have you ever thought of brandishing a gun to end an argument or confrontation?
6. Do you spend more than 5 hours a week on gun forums or reading about guns on the internet?
7. Do you stock pile more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition?
8. Do you feel your unsafe when you’re not carrying a gun?
9. Have you purchased guns for family members or loved ones even if they did not want one?
10. Do you always have to have the ‘latest’ in new gun technology?
11. Have you ever left a loaded and unlocked gun around you home or vehicle, just in case?
12. Do you spend more than $5,000/year on guns and ammunition?

If you answered ‘yes’ to 4 or more of these questions, you may have a gun addiction and pose a threat to your family or neighbors. The nearest chapter of GunAholics Anonymous (GAA), a 12-step program for helping gun addicts face their addictions can help.

GAA is not a religious organization nor is it affiliated with any religious body. It welcomes members of all religions, agnostics and atheists alike. You don’t have to sign up or achieve anything to be a member. You’re a member of a group if you choose to be. You can come and go as you please. No one is “in charge” of a group. We work through the offer of help and suggestion only. No one can tell you what you should or shouldn’t do.

Gunaholics Anonymous - Ordinary Times

Note: This post is part of our League Symposium on Guns In America. You can read the introductory post for the Symposium here. To see a list of all posts in the Symposium so...

ordinary-times.com

Thanks for the laughs. Are you here all week?

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Constitution does not support any such restrictions..

You are not reading the Constitution of the USA.


IT is NOT the Constitution of the Confederate States of America, which does not exist, but you seem to have a place there.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Thanks for the laughs. Are you here all week?

Not for addicts like you. Get some help.

 

[M14 Shooter]

You are Being the Constitution of the USA.
IT is NOT the Constitution of the Confederate States of America, which does not exist, but you seem to have a place there.

You may not like - for that matter, you may not understand - the fact the 2nd amendment affords exceptionally strong protection to the exercise of the right to keep and bear arms by the law abiding -- but you don't get to ignore it.

The restrictions you refer to violate the constitution.

 

[Sixties Fan]

This is an important topic that the firearms community has seemed all too willing to simply ignore despite its proven connection to mental health, suicide, and violent crime.

We were happy we could begin to break the ice, open up the conversation, and provide resources to anyone who thinks they may have a problem with substance abuse.

Join members Paul Kronk, Mawenzi, and Will Hancock (a.k.a. Sapper Gentleman), as they discuss their own battles with substance abuse, their personal paths to sobriety, and the joys of being a sober firearms owner.

Also joining them is Eddie Davenport, LGC member, competitive shooting national champion, and social worker finishing up a master’s in social work focused on substance abuse and clinical counseling.

Below you will find a list of resources provided by the panelists and others within the club. If you think you or a loved one may have a problem with substance abuse, the help you need is out there.

Organizations/Support Groups:

 

[Bob Blaylock]

[ The solution to gun addiction is with each individual ]

Wherever you find addiction, there you find denial. The alcoholic who says, “I can quit any time I want,” and the gambling addict who says, “If I hit this time it’ll all work out,” are in the same boat as those who say, “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people.” They are all addicts in denial, refusing to see the overwhelming evidence of the damage caused by their behavior.

When allowed to continue unchecked, addictions destroy lives.

The neuroscience of addiction is the same regardless of the behavior or substance. The brain doesn’t care if it’s porn addiction, shopping addiction, cigarette addiction, video game addiction or whatever you like, including gun addiction. Here’s how it works: Dopamine is the brain’s neurotransmitter that is released when you expect a reward – when you expect pleasure. The brain is flooded with dopamine when a shooter prepares to fire a gun. Firing a gun releases endorphins – the pleasure hormones – the same ones we experience with sex, with taking certain substances, and with other enjoyable activities. Since the pleasure (BANG! and endorphins) follows the anticipation so quickly and reliably, the brain easily learns to connect the psychological loop: guns – dopamine – pleasure/endorphins. Some brains then become preoccupied with seeking more dopamine. More guns.


The desire for more is another defining characteristic of addiction. The addict develops tolerance and requires more to get the same rush. Americans own more guns in absolute and relative terms than any other nation. We own about half the world’s guns although we make up only 5% of the world’s population.


And some of us own a great many guns. Stephen Paddock, the Las Vegas concert murderer who committed the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history, was found to have an arsenal of 47 deadly weapons. That put him in the 3% of gun owners who own large numbers of guns. This is exactly what addiction theory predicts - some users will seek more guns, bigger guns, with more firepower, in order to achieve the feelings they seek.


When President Trump visited the hospital where some of the victims of the latest school shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland. Florida were being treated, he paid his respects to the doctors.

A genuine show of respect from the President would be heeding the doctors’ words about gun policy.

Organizations representing nearly half a million physicians and medical students, including family physicians, pediatricians and psychiatrists, called on the President and Congress to do the following:

1. Call gun violence what it is, a national public health epidemic.

2. Establish constitutionally appropriate restrictions on the manufacturing and sale, for civilian use, of large-capacity magazines and firearms with features designed to increase their rapid and extended killing capacity.

America's Gun Addiction

Our nation is addicted to guns, with increasingly deadly consequences.

www.psychologytoday.com