Let's Reform The Individual Mandate In ACA

[Bombur]

I spent over 20 years in the Insurance Industry and I can tell you unequivocally that you have no clue.

None.

The system we had was far from perfect.

The system the lying cocksucker in chief has forced on us is a disaster.

France is, or was until the socialist idiot got elected, trying VERY hard to get away from single-payer. So is Holland. Switzerland left their single payer plan in the dirt long ago and Singapore's is based on Private Insurance.

Both work far better than anybody else's.

And Germany's is one the best around. They use a multi-payer, not-for-profit system (most US Health Insurance Companies were not for profit, but since you're a dimocrap, you're too stupid to know that) and while it may be the best in Europe outside of Switzerland, it still has serious flaws..... After over 130 years of trying.

Then there's Austria's system. And The Netherlands.

And....

Well, dimocraps are just stupid. Too stupid for words.

You people fucked up a good thing for the next 20 years.

Thanks to you fucking idiots, we may not get modern Health Care reform for another generation.

Thanks a lot, morons.

Do the world a favor and go kill yourselves

OBTW:

The best Hospital in France?

The one where the wealthy and connected go?

It's called " l'Hopital Americain de Paris "

It is private. It WILL NOT ACCEPT FRENCH GOVERNMENT ASSIGNEES

Cash only.

you people are just simply stupid

4 of the top 5 insurance companies in the US are for profit. I am not sure if you had a point there.

Everything else you said is nonsensical ramblings.

Know what the net worth (market cap) of the top 500 not for profit Health Insurance Companies is?

Zero.

0

Nada.

Zilch.

You're a genius, aren't you?

fucking moron.

If you're looking at number of people insured? So what?

Not for profits companies like Harvard Pilgrim have little desire to get big. Why should they? They're concerned with the people in the few States they cover and not the least bit concerned about expanding into unknown territory.

And there are THOUSANDS of them... Or there used to be.

My wife's Company was self-insured as a non-profit (about 1,200 employees). They stopped that when obamacare came around and her premiums went from $10 a week to $50 a week.

Still better than a sharp stick in the eye but -- You know what?

Fuck you. You're an idiot.

You're not worth my time

I don't even know what your argument is your posts are so nonsensical.

 

[RDD_1210]

I spent over 20 years in the Insurance Industry and I can tell you unequivocally that you have no clue.

None.

The system we had was far from perfect.

The system the lying cocksucker in chief has forced on us is a disaster.

France is, or was until the socialist idiot got elected, trying VERY hard to get away from single-payer. So is Holland. Switzerland left their single payer plan in the dirt long ago and Singapore's is based on Private Insurance.

Both work far better than anybody else's.

And Germany's is one the best around. They use a multi-payer, not-for-profit system (most US Health Insurance Companies were not for profit, but since you're a dimocrap, you're too stupid to know that) and while it may be the best in Europe outside of Switzerland, it still has serious flaws..... After over 130 years of trying.

Then there's Austria's system. And The Netherlands.

And....

Well, dimocraps are just stupid. Too stupid for words.

You people fucked up a good thing for the next 20 years.

Thanks to you fucking idiots, we may not get modern Health Care reform for another generation.

Thanks a lot, morons.

Do the world a favor and go kill yourselves

OBTW:

The best Hospital in France?

The one where the wealthy and connected go?

It's called " l'Hopital Americain de Paris "

It is private. It WILL NOT ACCEPT FRENCH GOVERNMENT ASSIGNEES

Cash only.

you people are just simply stupid

4 of the top 5 insurance companies in the US are for profit. I am not sure if you had a point there.

Everything else you said is nonsensical ramblings.

Know what the net worth (market cap) of the top 500 not for profit Health Insurance Companies is?

Zero.

0

Nada.

Zilch.

You're a genius, aren't you?

fucking moron.

If you're looking at number of people insured? So what?

Not for profits companies like Harvard Pilgrim have little desire to get big. Why should they? They're concerned with the people in the few States they cover and not the least bit concerned about expanding into unknown territory.

And there are THOUSANDS of them... Or there used to be.

My wife's Company was self-insured as a non-profit (about 1,200 employees). They stopped that when obamacare came around and her premiums went from $10 a week to $50 a week.

Still better than a sharp stick in the eye but -- You know what?

Fuck you. You're an idiot.

You're not worth my time

Are you going to discuss the German healthcare system or not?

Or would you rather just whine all day?

 

[The Rabbi]

LOL

You claimed Germany has a cost problem and their system "failed" but their per person cost is significantly less than the US.

You understand that is a non sequitur, right? Just because their cost per person is less than the US does not mean their system cannot fail. As it happens it did, and I posted proof they are intently trying to reform the system due to its very high cost.

If Germany's costs are "very high" then how would you describe US costs which are almost double?

You have demonstrated gross ignorance on the topic and an inability to learn even when presented with reality. I find little point in arguing with the willfully ignorant so step up your game or I will just chalk you up as just another useless moron.

Thats your response, seriously? It isnt a comparison between Germany's costs and our costs. Unless you want to compare it per GDP, per person,as a percentage of government expenditure etc etc. The comparison is irrelevant.
What is relevant is that rising costs in Germany led to them abandoning their system. Just as rising costs in the US under virtually the same system will lead to the same thing.
I showed where you dissembled, misread, and outright lied. I provided arguments backed up with proof. You are way way over your head here. Your debate skills are poor. Your reasoning skill are poor. Your reading skills are poor. And your knowledge base is appalling.
Stay in school. Don't do drugs.

 

[The Rabbi]

If Germany's costs are "very high" then how would you describe US costs which are almost double?

You have demonstrated gross ignorance on the topic and an inability to learn even when presented with reality. I find little point in arguing with the willfully ignorant so step up your game or I will just chalk you up as just another useless moron.

I spent over 20 years in the Insurance Industry and I can tell you unequivocally that you have no clue.

None.

The system we had was far from perfect.

The system the lying cocksucker in chief has forced on us is a disaster.

France is, or was until the socialist idiot got elected, trying VERY hard to get away from single-payer. So is Holland. Switzerland left their single payer plan in the dirt long ago and Singapore's is based on Private Insurance.

Both work far better than anybody else's.

And Germany's is one the best around. They use a multi-payer, not-for-profit system (most US Health Insurance Companies were not for profit, but since you're a dimocrap, you're too stupid to know that) and while it may be the best in Europe outside of Switzerland, it still has serious flaws..... After over 130 years of trying.

Then there's Austria's system. And The Netherlands.

And....

Well, dimocraps are just stupid. Too stupid for words.

You people fucked up a good thing for the next 20 years.

Thanks to you fucking idiots, we may not get modern Health Care reform for another generation.

Thanks a lot, morons.

Do the world a favor and go kill yourselves

OBTW:

The best Hospital in France?

The one where the wealthy and connected go?

It's called " l'Hopital Americain de Paris "

It is private. It WILL NOT ACCEPT FRENCH GOVERNMENT ASSIGNEES

Cash only.

you people are just simply stupid

4 of the top 5 insurance companies in the US are for profit. I am not sure if you had a point there.

Everything else you said is nonsensical ramblings.

You just had your ass handed to you and you still don't get it.

 

[The Rabbi]

I spent over 20 years in the Insurance Industry and I can tell you unequivocally that you have no clue.

None.

The system we had was far from perfect.

The system the lying cocksucker in chief has forced on us is a disaster.

France is, or was until the socialist idiot got elected, trying VERY hard to get away from single-payer. So is Holland. Switzerland left their single payer plan in the dirt long ago and Singapore's is based on Private Insurance.

Both work far better than anybody else's.

And Germany's is one the best around. They use a multi-payer, not-for-profit system (most US Health Insurance Companies were not for profit, but since you're a dimocrap, you're too stupid to know that) and while it may be the best in Europe outside of Switzerland, it still has serious flaws..... After over 130 years of trying.

Then there's Austria's system. And The Netherlands.

And....

Well, dimocraps are just stupid. Too stupid for words.

You people fucked up a good thing for the next 20 years.

Thanks to you fucking idiots, we may not get modern Health Care reform for another generation.

Thanks a lot, morons.

Do the world a favor and go kill yourselves

OBTW:

The best Hospital in France?

The one where the wealthy and connected go?

It's called " l'Hopital Americain de Paris "

It is private. It WILL NOT ACCEPT FRENCH GOVERNMENT ASSIGNEES

Cash only.

you people are just simply stupid

4 of the top 5 insurance companies in the US are for profit. I am not sure if you had a point there.

Everything else you said is nonsensical ramblings.

He did say the German healthcare system is one of the best around. I can't wait to hear why and if he thinks we should model ours similar to their system.

See, there's a great example of your inability to read something and draw reasonable conclusions. He nowhere suggested Germany's should be a model of ours. Yet you read him saying theirs is one of the best, strictly by comparison with the other disasters around them, you ignore the part where he says they are failing, and then assume he is advocating we adopt their system.
This is why arguing with stupid people is senseless. They cannot grasp what you are saying, much less formulate a coherent reply.

 

[Bombur]

You understand that is a non sequitur, right? Just because their cost per person is less than the US does not mean their system cannot fail. As it happens it did, and I posted proof they are intently trying to reform the system due to its very high cost.

If Germany's costs are "very high" then how would you describe US costs which are almost double?

You have demonstrated gross ignorance on the topic and an inability to learn even when presented with reality. I find little point in arguing with the willfully ignorant so step up your game or I will just chalk you up as just another useless moron.

Thats your response, seriously? It isnt a comparison between Germany's costs and our costs. Unless you want to compare it per GDP, per person,as a percentage of government expenditure etc etc. The comparison is irrelevant.
What is relevant is that rising costs in Germany led to them abandoning their system. Just as rising costs in the US under virtually the same system will lead to the same thing.
I showed where you dissembled, misread, and outright lied. I provided arguments backed up with proof. You are way way over your head here. Your debate skills are poor. Your reasoning skill are poor. Your reading skills are poor. And your knowledge base is appalling.
Stay in school. Don't do drugs.

The comparison can be done any way you want. In the end the German system still costs way less. If you were even slightly informed on the topic you would have known this going into the discussion. Instead people are forced to try and educate you. Something that you clearly don't want happening and I am not going to fight you on.

This isn't really a debate because you don't know enough about the topic to have a debate.

 

[Bombur]

I spent over 20 years in the Insurance Industry and I can tell you unequivocally that you have no clue.

None.

The system we had was far from perfect.

The system the lying cocksucker in chief has forced on us is a disaster.

France is, or was until the socialist idiot got elected, trying VERY hard to get away from single-payer. So is Holland. Switzerland left their single payer plan in the dirt long ago and Singapore's is based on Private Insurance.

Both work far better than anybody else's.

And Germany's is one the best around. They use a multi-payer, not-for-profit system (most US Health Insurance Companies were not for profit, but since you're a dimocrap, you're too stupid to know that) and while it may be the best in Europe outside of Switzerland, it still has serious flaws..... After over 130 years of trying.

Then there's Austria's system. And The Netherlands.

And....

Well, dimocraps are just stupid. Too stupid for words.

You people fucked up a good thing for the next 20 years.

Thanks to you fucking idiots, we may not get modern Health Care reform for another generation.

Thanks a lot, morons.

Do the world a favor and go kill yourselves

OBTW:

The best Hospital in France?

The one where the wealthy and connected go?

It's called " l'Hopital Americain de Paris "

It is private. It WILL NOT ACCEPT FRENCH GOVERNMENT ASSIGNEES

Cash only.

you people are just simply stupid

4 of the top 5 insurance companies in the US are for profit. I am not sure if you had a point there.

Everything else you said is nonsensical ramblings.

You just had your ass handed to you and you still don't get it.

I already pointed out the post was nonsensical. If there was a logical argument in there somewhere I didn't see it so I couldn't respond to it. If you want to take a stab at it I would be happy to watch you fall flat on your face.

 

[Edgetho]

You understand that is a non sequitur, right? Just because their cost per person is less than the US does not mean their system cannot fail. As it happens it did, and I posted proof they are intently trying to reform the system due to its very high cost.

If Germany's costs are "very high" then how would you describe US costs which are almost double?

You have demonstrated gross ignorance on the topic and an inability to learn even when presented with reality. I find little point in arguing with the willfully ignorant so step up your game or I will just chalk you up as just another useless moron.

Thats your response, seriously? It isnt a comparison between Germany's costs and our costs. Unless you want to compare it per GDP, per person,as a percentage of government expenditure etc etc. The comparison is irrelevant.
What is relevant is that rising costs in Germany led to them abandoning their system. Just as rising costs in the US under virtually the same system will lead to the same thing.
I showed where you dissembled, misread, and outright lied. I provided arguments backed up with proof. You are way way over your head here. Your debate skills are poor. Your reasoning skill are poor. Your reading skills are poor. And your knowledge base is appalling.
Stay in school. Don't do drugs.

Also, comparing costs in a government-run system to a privately run system is not a fair way to measure efficiency.

Look at Medicare....

Who sends out the bills for Medicare? Nobody. If anybody, it's Treasury.

Who collects the bills on Medicare? The IRS.

Who watches for fraud in Medicare? Treasury and the DOJ.

Who defends Medicare from lawsuits (A MAJOR cost in the private industry)???

First off, good luck suing the Federal Government. Second, if they do allow you to sue them, they defend the suit with DOJ Lawyers. Not Medicare Lawyers. If you win lmao the Treasury Dept pays, not Medicare.

What I'm saying is... Private Insurance carries ALL the costs of doing business itself. Nothing is hidden, everything is ou and up front.

Government Insurance is half hidden. Most of the cost burden is absorbed by other agencies.

For instance, the IRS is going to hire up to 16,000 new agents for obamacare only.

But not one penny of that will be attributed to the costs of the ACA.

They'll slough it off on just the cost of doing business.

What I'm saying is that -- If you believe that government run healthcare is cheaper than Private Health Insurance, you're an idiot.

Private Companies do EVERYTHING themselves. Government run Health care distributes its costs throughout the government system and its cost is not even known.

But it's high. Higher than Private Insurance.

But, I'm wasting my time talking to dimocraps. They're just too stupid to breathe the same air as I do

 

[The Rabbi]

4 of the top 5 insurance companies in the US are for profit. I am not sure if you had a point there.

Everything else you said is nonsensical ramblings.

You just had your ass handed to you and you still don't get it.

I already pointed out the post was nonsensical. If there was a logical argument in there somewhere I didn't see it so I couldn't respond to it. If you want to take a stab at it I would be happy to watch you fall flat on your face.

No you didnt see it. Of course it sounds like nonense to you. Because you cannot read. Because your knowledge base is miniscule. Because you are talking to people who know so much more than you it is like explaining nuclear physics to a retarded Schnauzer.

 

[The Rabbi]

If Germany's costs are "very high" then how would you describe US costs which are almost double?

You have demonstrated gross ignorance on the topic and an inability to learn even when presented with reality. I find little point in arguing with the willfully ignorant so step up your game or I will just chalk you up as just another useless moron.

Thats your response, seriously? It isnt a comparison between Germany's costs and our costs. Unless you want to compare it per GDP, per person,as a percentage of government expenditure etc etc. The comparison is irrelevant.
What is relevant is that rising costs in Germany led to them abandoning their system. Just as rising costs in the US under virtually the same system will lead to the same thing.
I showed where you dissembled, misread, and outright lied. I provided arguments backed up with proof. You are way way over your head here. Your debate skills are poor. Your reasoning skill are poor. Your reading skills are poor. And your knowledge base is appalling.
Stay in school. Don't do drugs.

The comparison can be done any way you want. In the end the German system still costs way less. If you were even slightly informed on the topic you would have known this going into the discussion. Instead people are forced to try and educate you. Something that you clearly don't want happening and I am not going to fight you on.

This isn't really a debate because you don't know enough about the topic to have a debate.

Whether their system costs less or more than America's is irrelevant. What is relevant is what it costs today compared to what it cost 5 years ago. And those costs are exploding and it has become unaffordable.

 

[Bombur]

You just had your ass handed to you and you still don't get it.

I already pointed out the post was nonsensical. If there was a logical argument in there somewhere I didn't see it so I couldn't respond to it. If you want to take a stab at it I would be happy to watch you fall flat on your face.

No you didnt see it. Of course it sounds like nonense to you. Because you cannot read. Because your knowledge base is miniscule. Because you are talking to people who know so much more than you it is like explaining nuclear physics to a retarded Schnauzer.

So what you are saying is that all I have to do to win an argument in your mind is to say something so nonsensical that the other person can't respond and then claim victory.

You seem very content on deflecting away from the fact you tried to point to Germany having a cost problem when their costs are so significantly below our own.

 

[Bombur]

Thats your response, seriously? It isnt a comparison between Germany's costs and our costs. Unless you want to compare it per GDP, per person,as a percentage of government expenditure etc etc. The comparison is irrelevant.
What is relevant is that rising costs in Germany led to them abandoning their system. Just as rising costs in the US under virtually the same system will lead to the same thing.
I showed where you dissembled, misread, and outright lied. I provided arguments backed up with proof. You are way way over your head here. Your debate skills are poor. Your reasoning skill are poor. Your reading skills are poor. And your knowledge base is appalling.
Stay in school. Don't do drugs.

The comparison can be done any way you want. In the end the German system still costs way less. If you were even slightly informed on the topic you would have known this going into the discussion. Instead people are forced to try and educate you. Something that you clearly don't want happening and I am not going to fight you on.

This isn't really a debate because you don't know enough about the topic to have a debate.

Whether their system costs less or more than America's is irrelevant. What is relevant is what it costs today compared to what it cost 5 years ago. And those costs are exploding and it has become unaffordable.

Maybe if you click your heels together when you say "costs are irrelevant" it will become true!

 

[The Rabbi]

I already pointed out the post was nonsensical. If there was a logical argument in there somewhere I didn't see it so I couldn't respond to it. If you want to take a stab at it I would be happy to watch you fall flat on your face.

No you didnt see it. Of course it sounds like nonense to you. Because you cannot read. Because your knowledge base is miniscule. Because you are talking to people who know so much more than you it is like explaining nuclear physics to a retarded Schnauzer.

So what you are saying is that all I have to do to win an argument in your mind is to say something so nonsensical that the other person can't respond and then claim victory.

You seem very content on deflecting away from the fact you tried to point to Germany having a cost problem when their costs are so significantly below our own.

Wow, real life examples.
No, I am not saying that. I am saying your low intelligence makes you incapable of understanding and appreciating what is being written here.
Germany does have a cost problem. I provided proof of that. That their costs are below ours is irrelevant. Just as the guy who bankrupts on $10,000 in debt is no better off than the guy who bankrupts on $1M in debt.

 

[The Rabbi]

The comparison can be done any way you want. In the end the German system still costs way less. If you were even slightly informed on the topic you would have known this going into the discussion. Instead people are forced to try and educate you. Something that you clearly don't want happening and I am not going to fight you on.

This isn't really a debate because you don't know enough about the topic to have a debate.

Whether their system costs less or more than America's is irrelevant. What is relevant is what it costs today compared to what it cost 5 years ago. And those costs are exploding and it has become unaffordable.

Maybe if you click your heels together when you say "costs are irrelevant" it will become true!

Are you being intentionally obtuse here or are you actually that stupid? Who said costs are irrelevant? Show me the quote.

 

[Bombur]

If Germany's costs are "very high" then how would you describe US costs which are almost double?

You have demonstrated gross ignorance on the topic and an inability to learn even when presented with reality. I find little point in arguing with the willfully ignorant so step up your game or I will just chalk you up as just another useless moron.

Thats your response, seriously? It isnt a comparison between Germany's costs and our costs. Unless you want to compare it per GDP, per person,as a percentage of government expenditure etc etc. The comparison is irrelevant.
What is relevant is that rising costs in Germany led to them abandoning their system. Just as rising costs in the US under virtually the same system will lead to the same thing.
I showed where you dissembled, misread, and outright lied. I provided arguments backed up with proof. You are way way over your head here. Your debate skills are poor. Your reasoning skill are poor. Your reading skills are poor. And your knowledge base is appalling.
Stay in school. Don't do drugs.

Also, comparing costs in a government-run system to a privately run system is not a fair way to measure efficiency.

Look at Medicare....

Who sends out the bills for Medicare? Nobody. If anybody, it's Treasury.

Who collects the bills on Medicare? The IRS.

Who watches for fraud in Medicare? Treasury and the DOJ.

Who defends Medicare from lawsuits (A MAJOR cost in the private industry)???

First off, good luck suing the Federal Government. Second, if they do allow you to sue them, they defend the suit with DOJ Lawyers. Not Medicare Lawyers. If you win lmao the Treasury Dept pays, not Medicare.

What I'm saying is... Private Insurance carries ALL the costs of doing business itself. Nothing is hidden, everything is ou and up front.

Government Insurance is half hidden. Most of the cost burden is absorbed by other agencies.

For instance, the IRS is going to hire up to 16,000 new agents for obamacare only.

But not one penny of that will be attributed to the costs of the ACA.

They'll slough it off on just the cost of doing business.

What I'm saying is that -- If you believe that government run healthcare is cheaper than Private Health Insurance, you're an idiot.

Private Companies do EVERYTHING themselves. Government run Health care distributes its costs throughout the government system and its cost is not even known.

But it's high. Higher than Private Insurance.

But, I'm wasting my time talking to dimocraps. They're just too stupid to breathe the same air as I do

The comparison is between the US and other countries, not just private versus public in the US. I would accept that Germany has some hidden costs with regards to how they collect taxes. I would also point out that the costs associated with tax collection depend greatly on how the law is set up. There is no doubt that the US system is inefficient with regards to how we collect money to pay for health care. We basically have the worst of both worlds.

Your conclusion doesn't follow the argument you made since it doesn't even come close to establishing the magnitude of the hidden costs in the other countries.

 

[Bombur]

Whether their system costs less or more than America's is irrelevant. What is relevant is what it costs today compared to what it cost 5 years ago. And those costs are exploding and it has become unaffordable.

Maybe if you click your heels together when you say "costs are irrelevant" it will become true!

Are you being intentionally obtuse here or are you actually that stupid? Who said costs are irrelevant? Show me the quote.

Keep trying. I quoted what you said for context. Defend your nonsense or keep deflecting. I don't give a crap because your argument is so unbelievably stupid.

 

[Bombur]

No you didnt see it. Of course it sounds like nonense to you. Because you cannot read. Because your knowledge base is miniscule. Because you are talking to people who know so much more than you it is like explaining nuclear physics to a retarded Schnauzer.

So what you are saying is that all I have to do to win an argument in your mind is to say something so nonsensical that the other person can't respond and then claim victory.

You seem very content on deflecting away from the fact you tried to point to Germany having a cost problem when their costs are so significantly below our own.

Wow, real life examples.
No, I am not saying that. I am saying your low intelligence makes you incapable of understanding and appreciating what is being written here.
Germany does have a cost problem. I provided proof of that. That their costs are below ours is irrelevant. Just as the guy who bankrupts on $10,000 in debt is no better off than the guy who bankrupts on $1M in debt.

Horrible analogy. Try again.

 

[Edgetho]

Thats your response, seriously? It isnt a comparison between Germany's costs and our costs. Unless you want to compare it per GDP, per person,as a percentage of government expenditure etc etc. The comparison is irrelevant.
What is relevant is that rising costs in Germany led to them abandoning their system. Just as rising costs in the US under virtually the same system will lead to the same thing.
I showed where you dissembled, misread, and outright lied. I provided arguments backed up with proof. You are way way over your head here. Your debate skills are poor. Your reasoning skill are poor. Your reading skills are poor. And your knowledge base is appalling.
Stay in school. Don't do drugs.

Also, comparing costs in a government-run system to a privately run system is not a fair way to measure efficiency.

Look at Medicare....

Who sends out the bills for Medicare? Nobody. If anybody, it's Treasury.

Who collects the bills on Medicare? The IRS.

Who watches for fraud in Medicare? Treasury and the DOJ.

Who defends Medicare from lawsuits (A MAJOR cost in the private industry)???

First off, good luck suing the Federal Government. Second, if they do allow you to sue them, they defend the suit with DOJ Lawyers. Not Medicare Lawyers. If you win lmao the Treasury Dept pays, not Medicare.

What I'm saying is... Private Insurance carries ALL the costs of doing business itself. Nothing is hidden, everything is ou and up front.

Government Insurance is half hidden. Most of the cost burden is absorbed by other agencies.

For instance, the IRS is going to hire up to 16,000 new agents for obamacare only.

But not one penny of that will be attributed to the costs of the ACA.

They'll slough it off on just the cost of doing business.

What I'm saying is that -- If you believe that government run healthcare is cheaper than Private Health Insurance, you're an idiot.

Private Companies do EVERYTHING themselves. Government run Health care distributes its costs throughout the government system and its cost is not even known.

But it's high. Higher than Private Insurance.

But, I'm wasting my time talking to dimocraps. They're just too stupid to breathe the same air as I do

The comparison is between the US and other countries, not just private versus public in the US. I would accept that Germany has some hidden costs with regards to how they collect taxes. I would also point out that the costs associated with tax collection depend greatly on how the law is set up. There is no doubt that the US system is inefficient with regards to how we collect money to pay for health care. We basically have the worst of both worlds.

Your conclusion doesn't follow the argument you made since it doesn't even come close to establishing the magnitude of the hidden costs in the other countries.

Do you even read what you type...???

You are a dodo bird.

A dodo bird is a now extinct bird that flew in decreasingly concentric circles until he disappeared up his own asshole.

Do us all a favor and sprout wings.

We are actually LESS expensive than any other Country in what matters most....

Personal Out-Of-Pocket expenses

Obamacare Is the Worst-Case Scenario | National Review Online

Both Singapore and Switzerland have systems in which overall health-care spending is lower than it is in the United States but out-of-pocket health-care spending is higher. The shocking thing is this: So does practically every other country. A recent World Bank study finds that in the United States, only 20 percent of health-care spending comes in the form of out-of-pocket expenses paid by consumers. In Singapore, it is 88 percent and in Switzerland 72 percent. But even the single-payer systems of Canada and the United Kingdom feature more out-of-pocket spending by consumers, 49 percent and 53 percent respectively. How is it that in countries with “free” universal health care consumers pay more out of pocket than they do in the United States

morons. all of you

You know not what you have wrought

 

[Bombur]

Also, comparing costs in a government-run system to a privately run system is not a fair way to measure efficiency.

Look at Medicare....

Who sends out the bills for Medicare? Nobody. If anybody, it's Treasury.

Who collects the bills on Medicare? The IRS.

Who watches for fraud in Medicare? Treasury and the DOJ.

Who defends Medicare from lawsuits (A MAJOR cost in the private industry)???

First off, good luck suing the Federal Government. Second, if they do allow you to sue them, they defend the suit with DOJ Lawyers. Not Medicare Lawyers. If you win lmao the Treasury Dept pays, not Medicare.

What I'm saying is... Private Insurance carries ALL the costs of doing business itself. Nothing is hidden, everything is ou and up front.

Government Insurance is half hidden. Most of the cost burden is absorbed by other agencies.

For instance, the IRS is going to hire up to 16,000 new agents for obamacare only.

But not one penny of that will be attributed to the costs of the ACA.

They'll slough it off on just the cost of doing business.

What I'm saying is that -- If you believe that government run healthcare is cheaper than Private Health Insurance, you're an idiot.

Private Companies do EVERYTHING themselves. Government run Health care distributes its costs throughout the government system and its cost is not even known.

But it's high. Higher than Private Insurance.

But, I'm wasting my time talking to dimocraps. They're just too stupid to breathe the same air as I do

The comparison is between the US and other countries, not just private versus public in the US. I would accept that Germany has some hidden costs with regards to how they collect taxes. I would also point out that the costs associated with tax collection depend greatly on how the law is set up. There is no doubt that the US system is inefficient with regards to how we collect money to pay for health care. We basically have the worst of both worlds.

Your conclusion doesn't follow the argument you made since it doesn't even come close to establishing the magnitude of the hidden costs in the other countries.

Do you even read what you type...???

You are a dodo bird.

A dodo bird is a now extinct bird that flew in decreasingly concentric circles until he disappeared up his own asshole.

Do us all a favor and sprout wings.

We are actually LESS expensive than any other Country in what matters most....

Personal Out-Of-Pocket expenses

Obamacare Is the Worst-Case Scenario | National Review Online

Both Singapore and Switzerland have systems in which overall health-care spending is lower than it is in the United States but out-of-pocket health-care spending is higher. The shocking thing is this: So does practically every other country. A recent World Bank study finds that in the United States, only 20 percent of health-care spending comes in the form of out-of-pocket expenses paid by consumers. In Singapore, it is 88 percent and in Switzerland 72 percent. But even the single-payer systems of Canada and the United Kingdom feature more out-of-pocket spending by consumers, 49 percent and 53 percent respectively. How is it that in countries with “free” universal health care consumers pay more out of pocket than they do in the United States

morons. all of you

You know not what you have wrought

 

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Your links do nothing to disprove my statement that high malpractice insurance premiums contribute to high medical costs in the country.
And if you are suggesting tort reform, well, shut the fuck up!
Rahm to Brother: 'Shut the F--- up!' on Tort Reform

0.5% reduction with Malpractice reform represents a tiny, tiny portion of the cost of healthcare. I think you didn't understand the simple statement by the CBO or you chose to ignore it. This clearly demonstrates your overused talking point is just that, a weak talking point with zilch to back it up.

As I wrote, high malpractice insurnce premiums are one factor. That means there are many others. The CBO's predictions have never been correct. NEver.
I understand you have to challenge things that contradict your world view. But pick on a less informed, less skillful poster than me. Save everyone a lot of time.

You're over-rating yourself. My views on America's healthcare are supported by facts and I just happen to be part of that industry.
Regarding the CBO predictions, you may be right but that doesn't matter to either side of the aisle, they like what the CBO has to say when it supports their argument. There are plenty of studies that echo the CBO's report, just do a simple Google search. The cost of the entire malpractice scenario represents a very small portion of the overall cost of healthcare in America.
You do know that I have not supported Obamacare from the get-go because of the mandate, don't you? We actually agree on something. Crazy, huh?
But I feel that America is seriously getting screwed over by our healthcare industry and that includes my employer.