Let's face it: America kind of sucks

[Confederate Soldier]

Those things don't kill by themselves. A person has to use them to excess. So you can stop your pious platitudes.

Are you daft? Americans love excess. Ever walk around outside and actually look at people?

 

[Seymour Flops]

There are reasons people stay places even though they may not be the place they most want to live in.

We are staying in Illinois even though there are many other states we both would rather live in but this is where my wife's job is and she loves it and the people she works with.

Then you most want to live there, because your wife has a good job that she loves working with people that she loves. Allah forbid, that job goes away, you'll pick a new place where you most want to live.

This reminds me of the behavior challenged students that I teach. I wish I had a nickel for every time one of them said, "this school sucks! My (cousin goes to/mom works at/brother went to/friend told me about) Super Kool Middle School, and says it is way better than West (Junior High, where I teach)." I always say, "Why don't you enroll there, then?" Of course they say, "They won't let me." So I tell them, "then West is better because they let you come here."

I had a kid talk all his 7th grade year (last year) about how his mom worked now at Way Better ISD, so they would be able to go there. Every time he got in trouble for acting a fool, he would play the "I don't care because I'm leaving" card. Sure enough, he showed up for 8th grade with us. He said, "Way Better can't take me . . . because of COVID."



In reality his mom was a moron who told Way Better that she wanted to bring her emotionally disturbed child to that district since we here at Four Winds ISD don't know how to handle misunderstood children who throw desks at teachers. Hm. "Oh gosh, we're full, sorry."

 

[Seymour Flops]

I already covered this in my post’s conclusion.

You did, and you accused me of not reading your entire post. Guilty.

You should have led with that, or at least put it closer to the top, because your post sounded for all the world like any other America sucks post. Sure, life's too short to read a long rant about how a person's favorite country sucks.

Will Norway accept you right now as an immigrant?

Be honest.

 

[Meister]

Republicans like to pretend that the US is the best country in the world in every way because they cannot stand the thought of other countries doing something better than us. However, the main flaws the US has are much of less of issues in other first world countries.

1) Our healthcare system is garbage with or without ObamaCare.

Republicans like to harp on ObamaCare and pretend that it is rhe reason why our system sucks, but when you ask them the simple of question of "well, was our system good before ObamaCare?", they will refuse to answer. Secretly they know that our healthcare system has always sucked but they will not admit that out loud. But hell, at least ACA improved it to some degree. Republicans secretly like the idea of their healthcare coverage not being denied because of pre-existing conditions, but its another thing they will not admit out loud. Obama came up with it so the knee jerk reaction is that it is terrible.

I also want to point out the myth that republicans have about other first world healthcare systems. They pretend that wait lists run rampant for basic care and that these people suffer. That's of course not true. Systems in Western Europe, Australia, Japan, South Korea are all quite high functioning even if they are not perfect.

Here's all the ways comparable, first world national healthcare systems are superior to the US's:

A. Life expectancy is better
B. Premature death rates are lower.
C. Less suffering with long term chronic diseases
D. Healthcare quality and access is far better
E. Maternal morality rates are better.
G. Hospital rates are lower for chronic diseases.
H. Post-operative complications are lower in prevalence.
I. Medication and procedure errors are lower.

And oh yeah, this is thanks to socialized medicine rather than shitty for-profit healthcare very few people can afford.

Now you say that the US does have state of the art treatments in some examples, but this hardly matters if the large majority of the population does not have access to this ridiculously expensive care and the overall nation suffers in areas where it matters most.

How does the quality of the U.S. health system compare to other countries? - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker

Despite spending more money per capita on healthcare than any similarly large and wealthy nation, the United States has a lower life expectancy than peer nations and has seen worsening health outcomes since the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic. This chart collection combines various measures of...

www.healthsystemtracker.org

2. Infrastructure systems are better in comparable nations.

A. The US ranks 13th in infrastructure quality in the world.
B. Only 2% of our GDP spending goes to infrastructure.
C. Airports in other countries are better.
D. High speed rail in the US is half of the speed of comparable countries.
E. Internet connection is much better in other countries.
F. Our roads are shitty in comparison to these other nations. Traffic jams are less severe in such nations.

That's far from "American exceptionalism." Hell, Biden gets credit for at least passing a law making improvements even if it was not enough.



3. Gun violence in the US is far greater than in other countries like Australia, the UK, and Canada.

A. Mass shootings are far more common in the US than other politically stable countries.
B. Gun murders account for 79% of all murders in the US. In Canada it is 37%, Australia 13%, and the UK is 4%
C. Gun deaths per capita are FAR higher than in other countries.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

4) Wealth inequality is one of the worst in the world.

In 2020, the top 20% of the population earned 52.2% of all U.S. income. The median household income fell significantly for the first time since 2011 to $67,521. That's 2.9% down from 2019's number. The richest of the rich, the top 5%, earned 23% of all income.

The Cause of Income Inequality in America

U.S. income inequality has worsened significantly in the past 30 years. What does income inequality look like in the United States and what are the causes?

www.thebalance.com

5) Poverty rates are lower in other counties.

Denmark, Finland, and Sweden are proof that poverty in the US doesn't have to be this high

Vox is a general interest news site for the 21st century. Its mission: to help everyone understand our complicated world, so that we can all help shape it. In text, video and audio, our reporters explain politics, policy, world affairs, technology, culture, science, the climate crisis, money...

www.vox.com

Conclusion: America kind of sucks. I know inevitably the response I am going to get to this thread will be somewhere along the lines of "if you don't like it here, leave!" Well see the truth of the matter is that I think America is great in some ways and I would rather stay here and fix what is wrong with it.

I don't think anyone thinks the US is perfect.
I do believe that most think it's way ahead of the second place country.

 

[Unkotare]

Republicans like to pretend that the US is the best country in the world in every way because they cannot stand the thought of other countries doing something better than us. However, the main flaws the US has are much of less of issues in other first world countries.

1) Our healthcare system is garbage with or without ObamaCare.

Republicans like to harp on ObamaCare and pretend that it is rhe reason why our system sucks, but when you ask them the simple of question of "well, was our system good before ObamaCare?", they will refuse to answer. Secretly they know that our healthcare system has always sucked but they will not admit that out loud. But hell, at least ACA improved it to some degree. Republicans secretly like the idea of their healthcare coverage not being denied because of pre-existing conditions, but its another thing they will not admit out loud. Obama came up with it so the knee jerk reaction is that it is terrible.

I also want to point out the myth that republicans have about other first world healthcare systems. They pretend that wait lists run rampant for basic care and that these people suffer. That's of course not true. Systems in Western Europe, Australia, Japan, South Korea are all quite high functioning even if they are not perfect.

Here's all the ways comparable, first world national healthcare systems are superior to the US's:

A. Life expectancy is better
B. Premature death rates are lower.
C. Less suffering with long term chronic diseases
D. Healthcare quality and access is far better
E. Maternal morality rates are better.
G. Hospital rates are lower for chronic diseases.
H. Post-operative complications are lower in prevalence.
I. Medication and procedure errors are lower.

And oh yeah, this is thanks to socialized medicine rather than shitty for-profit healthcare very few people can afford.

Now you say that the US does have state of the art treatments in some examples, but this hardly matters if the large majority of the population does not have access to this ridiculously expensive care and the overall nation suffers in areas where it matters most.

How does the quality of the U.S. health system compare to other countries? - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker

Despite spending more money per capita on healthcare than any similarly large and wealthy nation, the United States has a lower life expectancy than peer nations and has seen worsening health outcomes since the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic. This chart collection combines various measures of...

www.healthsystemtracker.org

2. Infrastructure systems are better in comparable nations.

A. The US ranks 13th in infrastructure quality in the world.
B. Only 2% of our GDP spending goes to infrastructure.
C. Airports in other countries are better.
D. High speed rail in the US is half of the speed of comparable countries.
E. Internet connection is much better in other countries.
F. Our roads are shitty in comparison to these other nations. Traffic jams are less severe in such nations.

That's far from "American exceptionalism." Hell, Biden gets credit for at least passing a law making improvements even if it was not enough.



3. Gun violence in the US is far greater than in other countries like Australia, the UK, and Canada.

A. Mass shootings are far more common in the US than other politically stable countries.
B. Gun murders account for 79% of all murders in the US. In Canada it is 37%, Australia 13%, and the UK is 4%
C. Gun deaths per capita are FAR higher than in other countries.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

4) Wealth inequality is one of the worst in the world.

In 2020, the top 20% of the population earned 52.2% of all U.S. income. The median household income fell significantly for the first time since 2011 to $67,521. That's 2.9% down from 2019's number. The richest of the rich, the top 5%, earned 23% of all income.

The Cause of Income Inequality in America

U.S. income inequality has worsened significantly in the past 30 years. What does income inequality look like in the United States and what are the causes?

www.thebalance.com

5) Poverty rates are lower in other counties.

Denmark, Finland, and Sweden are proof that poverty in the US doesn't have to be this high

Vox is a general interest news site for the 21st century. Its mission: to help everyone understand our complicated world, so that we can all help shape it. In text, video and audio, our reporters explain politics, policy, world affairs, technology, culture, science, the climate crisis, money...

www.vox.com

Conclusion: America kind of sucks. I know inevitably the response I am going to get to this thread will be somewhere along the lines of "if you don't like it here, leave!" Well see the truth of the matter is that I think America is great in some ways and I would rather stay here and fix what is wrong with it.

Take this trash to the Flame Zone unless you're afraid of the responses it deserves.

 

[Who_Me?]

Thanks, and I know some of you will be mean about it but hey it is time to move and do what I need to do…

The wife is Filipina, so we decided to just do it earlier than five years from now…

But of course I wanted Norway, Iceland or even Scotland and ya know how it goes when the wife says no…

Tell the truth, it was the lack of quality of thought by the members on this board that got you to think about moving, right?

 

[francoHFW]

Wow, it looks like you really put a lot of work into telling us why you hate your country.
I'll bet in 1/2 that time you could've picked up your phone & booked a 1 way ticket to almost any other country in the world.
You should prioritize your time better since I'm sure Ukraine would love to have you.

You can't just move, dumbass. Plus we'd miss you stupid assholes, except your brainwashed hater politics...

 

[BluesLegend]

Good grief, without America and it's power and wealth the rest of the world would have destroyed itself several times over waging stupid wars. FACT! Now trash talk America you blithering idiots.

 

[Leo123]

Are you daft? Americans love excess. Ever walk around outside and actually look at people?

Not all Americans love excess but, with food being so abundant and available, some will go to excess. I read that people with different genes may be more susceptible to getting obese. That is, their genetic make up may be from areas where food was scarce and their bodies are programmed to retain fat. Personally, I don't like the fact that restaurants and fast food places serve such large portions. I really don't care to eat that much. I usually end up bringing some home 'doggie bag' from (restaurants) and only buy the smallest, cheapest 'fast food.'

 

[BluesLegend]

You can't just move, dumbass. Plus we'd miss you stupid assholes, except your brainwashed hater politics...

Hey we offered to divide America and let you left wing pukes live apart. Go build your government owned dream!

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Then you most want to live there, because your wife has a good job that she loves working with people that she loves.

No, we do not most want to live here, but it is ok for the time being.

Allah forbid, that job goes away, you'll pick a new place where you most want to live.

VA nursing jobs do not really go away unless you do something illegal.

People do things all the time that are not the thing they most want to do.

 

[Confederate Soldier]

Not all Americans love excess but, with food being so abundant and available, some will go to excess. I read that people with different genes may be more susceptible to getting obese. That is, their genetic make up may be from areas where food was scarce and their bodies are programmed to retain fat. Personally, I don't like the fact that restaurants and fast food places serve such large portions. I really don't care to eat that much. I usually end up bringing some home 'doggie bag' from (restaurants) and only buy the smallest, cheapest 'fast food.'

West Virginia, Kentucky, Mississippi, Alabama... I've been there, there is no reason any of those people need to retain fat, yet they are hot spots for incredibly fat people.

 

[BluesLegend]

It's interesting when the left's seething hatred of America surfaces.

 

[BluesLegend]

West Virginia, Kentucky, Mississippi, Alabama... I've been there, there is no reason any of those people need to retain fat, yet they are hot spots for incredibly fat people.

BBQ

 

[francoHFW]

Take this trash to the Flame Zone unless you're afraid of the responses it deserves.

The only country in the modern world without a living wage health care daycare cheap college and training great infrastructure and vacations, ID card to end illegal immigration, and mainly taxing the greedy idiot GOP rich....Thanks scumbag GOP Murdoch etc and the chumps...

 

[francoHFW]

It's interesting when the left's seething hatred of America surfaces.

The only country in the modern world without a living wage health care daycare cheap college and training great infrastructure and vacations, ID card to end illegal immigration, and mainly taxing the greedy idiot GOP rich....Thanks scumbag GOP Murdoch etc and the chumps...

 

[Confederate Soldier]

BBQ

Fried chicken, cornbread, mutton, yep.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Republicans like to pretend that the US is the best country in the world in every way because they cannot stand the thought of other countries doing something better than us. However, the main flaws the US has are much of less of issues in other first world countries.

1) Our healthcare system is garbage with or without ObamaCare.

Republicans like to harp on ObamaCare and pretend that it is rhe reason why our system sucks, but when you ask them the simple of question of "well, was our system good before ObamaCare?", they will refuse to answer. Secretly they know that our healthcare system has always sucked but they will not admit that out loud. But hell, at least ACA improved it to some degree. Republicans secretly like the idea of their healthcare coverage not being denied because of pre-existing conditions, but its another thing they will not admit out loud. Obama came up with it so the knee jerk reaction is that it is terrible.

I also want to point out the myth that republicans have about other first world healthcare systems. They pretend that wait lists run rampant for basic care and that these people suffer. That's of course not true. Systems in Western Europe, Australia, Japan, South Korea are all quite high functioning even if they are not perfect.

Here's all the ways comparable, first world national healthcare systems are superior to the US's:

A. Life expectancy is better
B. Premature death rates are lower.
C. Less suffering with long term chronic diseases
D. Healthcare quality and access is far better
E. Maternal morality rates are better.
G. Hospital rates are lower for chronic diseases.
H. Post-operative complications are lower in prevalence.
I. Medication and procedure errors are lower.

And oh yeah, this is thanks to socialized medicine rather than shitty for-profit healthcare very few people can afford.

Now you say that the US does have state of the art treatments in some examples, but this hardly matters if the large majority of the population does not have access to this ridiculously expensive care and the overall nation suffers in areas where it matters most.

How does the quality of the U.S. health system compare to other countries? - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker

Despite spending more money per capita on healthcare than any similarly large and wealthy nation, the United States has a lower life expectancy than peer nations and has seen worsening health outcomes since the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic. This chart collection combines various measures of...

www.healthsystemtracker.org

2. Infrastructure systems are better in comparable nations.

A. The US ranks 13th in infrastructure quality in the world.
B. Only 2% of our GDP spending goes to infrastructure.
C. Airports in other countries are better.
D. High speed rail in the US is half of the speed of comparable countries.
E. Internet connection is much better in other countries.
F. Our roads are shitty in comparison to these other nations. Traffic jams are less severe in such nations.

That's far from "American exceptionalism." Hell, Biden gets credit for at least passing a law making improvements even if it was not enough.



3. Gun violence in the US is far greater than in other countries like Australia, the UK, and Canada.

A. Mass shootings are far more common in the US than other politically stable countries.
B. Gun murders account for 79% of all murders in the US. In Canada it is 37%, Australia 13%, and the UK is 4%
C. Gun deaths per capita are FAR higher than in other countries.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

4) Wealth inequality is one of the worst in the world.

In 2020, the top 20% of the population earned 52.2% of all U.S. income. The median household income fell significantly for the first time since 2011 to $67,521. That's 2.9% down from 2019's number. The richest of the rich, the top 5%, earned 23% of all income.

The Cause of Income Inequality in America

U.S. income inequality has worsened significantly in the past 30 years. What does income inequality look like in the United States and what are the causes?

www.thebalance.com

5) Poverty rates are lower in other counties.

Denmark, Finland, and Sweden are proof that poverty in the US doesn't have to be this high

Vox is a general interest news site for the 21st century. Its mission: to help everyone understand our complicated world, so that we can all help shape it. In text, video and audio, our reporters explain politics, policy, world affairs, technology, culture, science, the climate crisis, money...

www.vox.com

Conclusion: America kind of sucks. I know inevitably the response I am going to get to this thread will be somewhere along the lines of "if you don't like it here, leave!" Well see the truth of the matter is that I think America is great in some ways and I would rather stay here and fix what is wrong with it.

 

[francoHFW]

Tell the truth, it was the lack of quality of thought by the members on this board that got you to think about moving, right?

DAMN hard to move anywhere, and we'd miss you except for your hater dupe politics...

The only country in the modern world without a living wage health care daycare cheap college and training great infrastructure and vacations, ID card to end illegal immigration, and mainly taxing the greedy idiot GOP rich....Thanks scumbag GOP Murdoch etc and the chumps...

 

[eagle7-31]

The only country in the modern world with a living wage health care daycare cheap college and training great infrastructure and vacations, ID card to end illegal immigration, and mainly taxing the greedy idiot GOP rich....Thanks scumbag GOP Murdoch etc and the chumps...

Go write your congressman. TS we are not a one party looney leftist state .