lets break down the OWS grievances and figure out who is really to blame.

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    Occupy Wall Street! Collective statement of the protesters… « Bill Ayers

    Alright, I think it is important to mention that this statement does not provide a single solution, only complaining. complaining as you will see is inaccurately targeted.

    1. That is the individual's fault they didn't read the fine print. Personal Responsibility.
    2. That is the fault of GOVERNMENT, not the businesses.
    3. Extremely vague and no solution is proposed.
    4. So, grow your own food then. No one is forcing you to buy it. Personal choice.
    5. So, grow your own food then and convince others to not eat it if you want. That will put them out of business.
    6. It is the individual's choice to take or quit a job. If you don't like it find another job.
    7. The government provides the loans, and no one forces a person to get loans. Personal Responsibility.
    8. No...in generalities its the high taxes and regulation of government that forces businesses to downsize and lay off workers and even outsource.
    9. Can't get much more vague than that.
    10. No, Obamacare did that. Businesses know it's cheaper to pay the fee than to provide healthcare so that's what they are doing. Blame this one on government yet again.
    11. Really? Business owners sell seats on the side of your house to peak in your windows? What does this mean?
    12. Buyer beware. Welcome to freedom. Just because you are too stupid and get ripped off doesn't make it anyone's fault but your own.
    13. What is your proposal?
    14. politicians are RESPONSIBLE for regulating business? really? Is that in the constitution somewhere? I can't seem to find it.
    15. Because solyndra worked so well.
    16. boo hoo.
    17. I will give you that one.
    18. Yeah I am pretty sure that is college professors but whatevs.
    19. 10th amendment? Derp?
    20. Really? Which States have we annexed recently?
    21. Really?
    22. So...what do you want to do? Crush their businesses and lay more people off?
     
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    Nice job. But...

    Since you're "giving them" #17, could you like back that up?
     
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    id like more transparency is all.
     
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    Looking over that list of responses, it seems to come down to a repetition of three things:

    1) It's always the individual's responsibility when things go wrong. Big business and government bear no portion of either blame or liability.

    2) In any interaction between business and government, when government gives business a handout, it's government's fault, not that of business.

    3) To the extent business has done things that have hurt the people, it has been forced to do so by burdensome regulations and taxes.

    If I missed anything, point it out and I'll respond to it later. My responses to these three points are as follows:

    1) When things go wrong for one individual, it may be that individual's sole responsibility. When we have an epidemic of foreclosures, lost jobs, declining wages, shrinking middle class, exploding college debt, and vanishing opportunities, there is something larger than the individual at work. The individual only plays the game, he does not write the rules. Someone (specifically government, at the behest of big business) has rewritten the rules so as to screw over most of the people while hugely enriching the very wealthy.

    2) Business has an enormous influence over the government through campaign donations, direct and indirect. It is not an exaggeration to say that big business owns the U.S. government, bought and paid for. Thus, when the government gives banks or other businesses a handout at taxpayer expense, business is just as much to blame for that as government itself, if not more. We should blame the guy pulling the strings, not the puppet.

    3) Considering that business owns the government, bought and paid for, it is not credible to suppose that the government is sufficiently independent as to impose a crushing burden on business so that they are "driven" away from our shores. Nor does a realistic appraisal of the situation uphold this contention. Government has, on the contrary, created incentives in the tax code and in trade agreements that encourage outsourcing, and by failing to enforce labor law adequately has enabled union-busting by business even when its actions are technically illegal. As well as other things done by business that have hurt the economy and the people in general.
     

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