Kyoto Treaty comes into force

[j07950]

More than just economic. There's also the issue of junk science and others.

http://www.envirotruth.org/myth_experts.cfm

Well I can understand that people doubt it...obviously we can't see in the future...but come on...common sense here...pollution = bad things!!!

 

[Annie]

economically it will hurt everyone, science is a draw ... the treaty does not do anything to address the indias of the world ....

It's still open to debate whether or not this is even an issue. That's why I posted all those scientist! :halo:

 

[manu1959]

It's still open to debate whether or not this is even an issue. That's why I posted all those scientist! :halo:

i meant the science is a draw from the perspective of that it is subjective

my concern is this if you only put restrictions on some countries and not other countries then guess what....everyuone will open plants in the non-restricted countries and the air water or whatever will still be poulted...the us said acroos the board enforcment or we aint joing up...gues what all the folks that have factories in india where ther won't be restrictions signed on...sound familiar

 

[j07950]

It's still open to debate whether or not this is even an issue. That's why I posted all those scientist! :halo:

Thats true but if all the major poluters agree to sign on than thats already that much good done...and say if the US signs on, I don't see why India couldn't be pressures in signing on etc...

 

[Annie]

Thats true but if all the major poluters agree to sign on than thats already that much good done...and say if the US signs on, I don't see why India couldn't be pressures in signing on etc...

That is nonsense.

 

[j07950]

That is nonsense.

What is? Pressure...like that hasn't been done for other issues?

 

[j07950]

I think that the US not signing on is giving the message that "hey, they aren't cooperating, why should we?" well thats how I see it...if the US signs on than other countries would have to sign on...if pressure is put upon them

 

[Annie]

What is? Pressure...like that hasn't been done for other issues?

Skip the whole country issue. Deal with your supposition.

1. I agree there isn't scientific agreement that greenhouse gases are generated by the factors cited in Kyoto.

2. Even if the holes in the ozone, etc., were created by said gases, there is not agreement that Kyoto really addresses the problem or that that it isn't a naturally occuring phenomena.

3. Regardless of whether any of the above is true or false, let's do it anyways.

4. While 'we do it anyways' let's pressure everyone we can to do it anyways.

5. Believe it or not, this is not to be taken as a joke.

:teeth:

 

[manu1959]

I think that the US not signing on is giving the message that "hey, they aren't cooperating, why should we?" well thats how I see it...if the US signs on than other countries would have to sign on...if pressure is put upon them

not true ... read the treaty ... it says developing countries do not have to comply ... developing nations are some of the biggest offenders

the us was preasuring others to include all countries ... close the loop hole ... the us was opposed by countires that have factories and or major financial interest in developing nations ... thus the exception for developing nations ... the us said screw it

 

[j07950]

not true ... read the treaty ... it says developing countries do not have to comply ... developing nations are some of the biggest offenders

the us was preasuring others to include all countries ... close the loop hole ... the us was opposed by countires that have factories and or major financial interest in developing nations ... thus the exception for developing nations ... the us said screw it

Well than they should redo it and include everyone...

 

[Said1]

not true ... read the treaty ... it says developing countries do not have to comply ... developing nations are some of the biggest offenders

the us was preasuring others to include all countries ... close the loop hole ... the us was opposed by countires that have factories and or major financial interest in developing nations ... thus the exception for developing nations ... the us said screw it

And world trade bodys claim it will it will hinder economic growth in LDCs.

 

[j07950]

And world trade bodys claim it will it will hinder economic growth in LDCs.

Yeah I can see that happening...but countries like India and china are the most important...their economy is booming...so they would suffer the least out of DC's
Other LDC's don't factor in as heavily

 

[manu1959]

And world trade bodys claim it will it will hinder economic growth in LDCs.

so the poor should be able to trash the environment but the rich can't?

 

[Said1]

Other LDC's don't factor in as heavily

Of course they are. They are the poorest, and most ill equipped when it comes to protecting the environments and controlling emissions.

 

[Said1]

so the poor should be able to trash the environment but the rich can't?

Stiffling economic development will always ensure that they do nothing to protect their environments. Not that they're doing much now mind you.

 

[j07950]

Of course they are. They are the poorest, and most ill equipped when it comes to protecting the environments and controlling emissions.

Totally agree with you, but was is that compared to the additon of US+china+india+russia+ lets say Europe?

 

[Said1]

Totally agree with you, but was is that compared to the additon of US+china+india+russia+ lets say Europe?

Most of those nations have the means to aquire technology as it arises. Although, some European countries such as Ireland are already facing penalties for not meeting their agreed terms of Koyoto.

 

[j07950]

Most of those nations have the means to aquire technology as it arises. Although, some European countries such as Ireland are already facing penalties for not meeting their agreed terms of Koyoto.

Do u mean "Means to aquire technology" to reduce pollution??? Well if thats true than apply it and sign on...Ireland isn't cosidered a rich country in europe...they have economic problems...although in better shape than say 20 years ago

 

[j07950]

Alright I've got to go...I'm well tired and I've had a long day already...oh and stop giving me rep points, I've never had this many...it feels weird!!!

 

[Said1]

Do u mean "Means to aquire technology" to reduce pollution??? Well if thats true than apply it and sign on...Ireland isn't cosidered a rich country in europe...they have economic problems...although in better shape than say 20 years ago

I said "as it arises".