Japanese abandon six nuclear reactors

"Intakt" translates to undamaged...as a visual inspection @ 14:51 today revealed
There is absolutely no damage to the containment
And that is the same reactor You have been gloating over,

That's funny, you are clearly looking at the wrong reactor.

The first one on the left is clearly #1, the first to explode. The second one is undamaged and the third looks like the building is all but demolished. Provided that they were numbered in order it is the third and most damaged building he was talking about.
 
None of the 50 workers that remained at those reactors have come down with radiation poisoning. That means there ain't shit coming out of those reactors.
 
We can speculate, we can posit, we can made scientific-wild-assed-guesses, but it seems fairly obvious that even the people on the scene are, as yet, not entirely sure just how much and what kind of damage has been done.

And if they don't know, because they as yet cannot get close enough to determine what is happening?

Then it is the height of silliness for us to be telling ourselves either the crises has past or the crises is getting worse.

I think it safe to suggest that given the choice, the folks dealing with these problems would rather be home in bed.

The fact that they're NOT, indicates that they must think something is going on worthy of their attention.

Beyond that nobody here knows NOTHING except what we're reading from a press who likely ALSO knows nothing.
 
None of the 50 workers that remained at those reactors have come down with radiation poisoning. That means there ain't shit coming out of those reactors.


:doubt: :cuckoo:



The workers are wearing protective gear and when the ground levels elevated they were evacuated until the levels went back down again...




The stricken Fukushima Daiichi power facility has sent low levels of radiation wafting into Tokyo, spreading alarm in the city and internationally.

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Earlier, the plant's operators evacuated its skeleton crew of 50 workers for about an hour as ground-level radiation spiked.

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Levels of radiation outside the plant have now fallen from 1,000 millisieverts an hour to 600-800. A single dose of 1,000 millisieverts can cause temporary radiation sickness.

BBC News - Japan earthquake: Emperor Akihito 'deeply worried'
 
The ongoing radioactivity releases from damaged nuclear reactors in Japan after last week's historic earthquake are creating "one of the most challenging humanitarian operations ever conducted," according to Cmdr. Jeff Davis, a spokesman for the U.S. Navy's 7th Fleet in Japan.

Davis said Tuesday that for the second time, U.S. helicopter crews have been exposed to elevated, albeit low, levels of radiation during flights near Japan's nuclear reactors. In addition, the Navy is moving three incoming ships to a new location because of "radiological and navigation hazards" at their intended destination on the eastern coast of Honshu, according to Davis.

Just as in an incident on Sunday, the crew members were stripped of contaminated clothing, scrubbed down with soap and water and tested. In all cases, they no longer tested positive for radiation exposure.

On Sunday, tests detected low levels of radioactivity on 17 U.S. Navy helicopter crew members when they returned to the USS Ronald Reagan after conducting disaster relief missions in Japan, the military said Monday.

Navy says radiation releases pose challenging environment - CNN.com
 
Zoomie...people ARE leaving Tokyo. That isn't hype, it is a fact. They are leaving because they fear radiation. Some airlines are refusing to even go to the Tokyo airport.

The leaving part isn't the hype.

Thousands flee Tokyo as radiation levels reach danger levels & fears of meltdown at nuclear plant grow.

The radiation levels in Tokyo aren't reaching dangerous levels but reports are saying such, causing panic.

All I'm saying is that the folks dealing with this situation don't know fully what's happening and neither does the media . . .but that isn't stopping the media hyping it.

A little radiation was also detected in Tokyo, triggering panic buying of food and water.

Given the reported radiation levels, John Price, an Australian-based nuclear safety expert, said he saw few health risks for the general public so far. He was concerned for the workers, who he said were almost certainly working in full body suits and breathing through respirators. The workers at the forefront of the fight — a core team of about 180 — had been regularly rotated in and out of the danger zone to minimize their radiation exposure.

Price said he was surprised by how little information the Japanese were sharing.

"We don't know even the fundamentals of what's happening, what's wrong, what isn't working. We're all guessing," he said. "I would have thought they would put on a panel of experts every two hours."

Japan nuclear emergency workers to return to plant - Yahoo! News

Maybe things are 10 times worse than we think . . or maybe they are just as bad as we think . . or maybe they're not as bad as we think.

Point is, no one really knows and it's all guesstimates at this point in time. Media reporting things being worse than they are is just adding fuel to an already horrendous situation.
 
It looks like the Japanese are trying to hold things together with chewing gum and fishing line. Nothing good can come from starting a full scale panic, but it does look like things are getting away from them.

What I did not know was that even after the control rods are down they still need pumps going, and that they need electricity in to keep the water going. It looks like they didn't budget for a total power shutdown to the reactors for this long in case of problems, and they seem to have forgotten the damage from tsunamis in their disaster readiness preparations.

This pretty much puts paid to nuclear for good as a power source in the future.

Germany has long been planning to shut down all its reactors, but they have been putting it off, as the alternative is worse (really incredibly dirty coal). They had recently decided to extend the working life of plants by 12 years. After this they have closed down 7 plants. There is no way any new plants will ever be built here.

The silence of the Japanese authorities is worrisome. Japanese officialdom, like officialdom world over, but taken to 11, is to crow when things are positive, and hide when things go badly. Were I japanese, I would be very very worried right now because of the silence.
 
Tokyo Electric Power Co. spokesman Naoki Tsunoda said the new power line to the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant is almost finished and that officials plan to try it "as soon as possible," but he could not say exactly when.

The new line would revive electric-powered pumps, allowing the company to maintain a steady water supply to troubled reactors and spent fuel storage ponds, keeping them cool. The company is also trying to repair its existing disabled power line.

New power line may ease crisis at Japan nuke plant - Yahoo! News
 
600-1000 millisiervients which is nearly a lifetime dose.

No water in the fuel tank holding fuel for #4 reactor, and workers can't even do the minimal work to try to restore water because radiation levels too high.

A US team pulled out and is heading home because it is too dangerous to work.

It's all coming unglued.
 
Workers battling to prevent nuclear meltdown at the stricken Fukushima power plant were temporarily evacuated on Wednesday morning after radiation levels became too dangerous for them to remain.

The withdrawal hampered efforts to secure the safety of the stricken Fukushima Daiichi plant and avert a major radiation leak.

Its operator, Tokyo Electric Power [Tepco] said it was considering using helicopters to spray the crippled No. 4 reactor with water and boric acid – a fire retardant – in an attempt to prevent more radiation leaks.

The 50 or so engineers, working around the clock in harsh conditions, spent the morning trying to put out a fire at one reactor and to cool others at risk or overheating and reaching criticality.

The government's chief spokesman, Yukio Edano, said Japan was considering seeking help from the US military.

All six of the plants reactors are experiencing problems following last Friday's earthquake and tsunami, in which an estimated 10,000 people have died.

The workers were ordered to leave the facility after the level of radiation at the plant soared to 10 millisievert per hour - above the level considered harmful to human health – possibly as a result of radioactive substances being emitted from the No. 2 reactor. The reading later fell to around 6 millisievert per hour, reports said.

The evacuation followed another day of crisis at the plant, which lies 150 miles of Tokyo and had become the focus of the world's attention, even as rescue workers sift through the damage caused by the tsunami along a vast stretch of Japan's northeast coast.

Earlier, officials from the nuclear and industrial safety agency said that 70% of fuel rods at the No. 1 reactor had been significantly damaged, as well as 33% of rods at the No. 2 reactor. The cores of both reactors are believed to have partially melted, Kyodo news agency said.

"We don't know the nature of the damage," said Minoru Ohgoda, spokesman for the country's nuclear safety agency. "It could be either melting, or there might be some holes in them."

Before they were moved to safety the workers had been trying to cool spent nuclear fuel pools at the No. 5 and No. 6 reactors, where temperatures have risen above normal levels.

To compound the workers' problems, a fire broke out at the No. 3 reactor, where a fuel storage pool has overheated and may have let off radioactive steam. Live TV footage showing a large cloud of light grey smoke rising above the plant.

Edano said that there was "a possibility that the No. 3 reactor's containment vessel is damaged".

A blaze also broke out again at the No. 4 reactor, which was already feared to be at risk of leaking radioactivity. The nuclear safety agency reported that flames and smoke were no longer visible half an hour later, but were unable to confirm that the fire had been extinguished.

The No. 4 reactor is an increasing cause for concern. Tepco believes that the storage pool may be boiling, raising the possibility that exposed rods will reach criticality. "The possibility of re-criticality is not zero," a Tepco spokesman said.

Fukushima workers evacuate after radiation spikes | World news | guardian.co.uk

Are you going to admit that your OP claim that there are no containment vessels around 3 of the reactors was a lie?
 
Let's see. We are now facing three reactors with melting cores, two of which have the possibility of having their inner containment vessel breaches. A holding area with more fuel rods than it should have in it continues to catch fire on and off, and a couple more storage areas may be at risk.

No need to worry folks, just business as ussual.

No, what we have is 6 reactors that are rapidly cooling as the residual heat from the nuclear reactions they sustained dissipates. The lack of cooling has resulted in some damage to the fuel rods, and it is believed that 2 of the containment buildings are cracked.

How serious are the cracks? At this point no one knows because the safety regulations prevent anyone from getting close enough to actually examine them. I will point out that just because a containment building is cracked, that does not mean that containment is breached. Yet you prefer to come down solidly on the side of hysteria and make the situation worse than it is. I want to acknowledge your attempt to fuel panic, and point out that by jumping on that bandwagon you have forfeited any claim you think you have to any type of scientific expertise in any subject whatever.

Every single scientist interviewed by the media has said that there is no danger of a meltdown, and that all they are dealing with is the same effect you have when you take a hot pan out of the oven. Not just a majority, or a consensus, it is unanimous. You can no longer credibly point out to anyone how they reject science in anything you support.
 
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:confused: I haven't seen any news articles or reports claiming that deadly radiation is threatening Tokyo.

There are articles mentioning radiation in Tokyo. Just pointing out that there is a lot of media hype going on. The folks in charge in Japan don't fully understand what is/has happened because it's still unfolding so how the media can print things like 'Chernobyl Happening' and the like need to be taken with a grain of salt.
I have read and heard that radiation has been detected in Tokyo but a low levels that are not dangerous. Not sure how that is considered media hype.

If you have granite counter tops in your house they will peg a Geiger counter. Radiation is always detectable, so pointing out that some has been detected is the equivalent of pointing out that we breathe air. Why mention it unless you are trying to scare people?
 
Typical right wing propaganda.

When a nuclear plant has damaged rods, explosions, and radiation releases, they attack THE PRESS.

Likewise when Republican tax cuts for the wealthy create massive budget deficits, they attack THE TEACHERS.

Typical left wing propaganda.

When a tsunami literally wipes out an entire seaboard they shut down nuclear reactors that are not built in earthquake zones and attack the scientists who point out how absurd that is.

Likewise, when the Democratic sweetheart pensions that support the public sector workers create massive budget monsters, they attack the TAXPAYERS.
 
The spent rods are not in a containment vessel.

Sorry, you are the one who is ignorant.

The spent rods are also not in reactors. That is why they are called spent rods, Idiot.

Want to try again?
The spent rods are being kept in a containment pool of water. After that, they are moved outside the facility to an onsite area.

Exactly my point. The OP claimed that 3 reactor cores had no containment buildings. When I called him on that he started babbling about spent fuel rods and suppression pools.
 
Workers battling to prevent nuclear meltdown at the stricken Fukushima power plant were temporarily evacuated on Wednesday morning after radiation levels became too dangerous for them to remain.

The withdrawal hampered efforts to secure the safety of the stricken Fukushima Daiichi plant and avert a major radiation leak.

Its operator, Tokyo Electric Power [Tepco] said it was considering using helicopters to spray the crippled No. 4 reactor with water and boric acid – a fire retardant – in an attempt to prevent more radiation leaks.

The 50 or so engineers, working around the clock in harsh conditions, spent the morning trying to put out a fire at one reactor and to cool others at risk or overheating and reaching criticality.

The government's chief spokesman, Yukio Edano, said Japan was considering seeking help from the US military.

All six of the plants reactors are experiencing problems following last Friday's earthquake and tsunami, in which an estimated 10,000 people have died.

The workers were ordered to leave the facility after the level of radiation at the plant soared to 10 millisievert per hour - above the level considered harmful to human health – possibly as a result of radioactive substances being emitted from the No. 2 reactor. The reading later fell to around 6 millisievert per hour, reports said.

The evacuation followed another day of crisis at the plant, which lies 150 miles of Tokyo and had become the focus of the world's attention, even as rescue workers sift through the damage caused by the tsunami along a vast stretch of Japan's northeast coast.

Earlier, officials from the nuclear and industrial safety agency said that 70% of fuel rods at the No. 1 reactor had been significantly damaged, as well as 33% of rods at the No. 2 reactor. The cores of both reactors are believed to have partially melted, Kyodo news agency said.

"We don't know the nature of the damage," said Minoru Ohgoda, spokesman for the country's nuclear safety agency. "It could be either melting, or there might be some holes in them."

Before they were moved to safety the workers had been trying to cool spent nuclear fuel pools at the No. 5 and No. 6 reactors, where temperatures have risen above normal levels.

To compound the workers' problems, a fire broke out at the No. 3 reactor, where a fuel storage pool has overheated and may have let off radioactive steam. Live TV footage showing a large cloud of light grey smoke rising above the plant.

Edano said that there was "a possibility that the No. 3 reactor's containment vessel is damaged".

A blaze also broke out again at the No. 4 reactor, which was already feared to be at risk of leaking radioactivity. The nuclear safety agency reported that flames and smoke were no longer visible half an hour later, but were unable to confirm that the fire had been extinguished.

The No. 4 reactor is an increasing cause for concern. Tepco believes that the storage pool may be boiling, raising the possibility that exposed rods will reach criticality. "The possibility of re-criticality is not zero," a Tepco spokesman said.

Fukushima workers evacuate after radiation spikes | World news | guardian.co.uk

Are you going to admit that your OP claim that there are no containment vessels around 3 of the reactors was a lie?

I already proved you wrong.

There are no containment vessels around the spent fuel rods in 4, 5, and 6.

Keep trying though. One day you may get it right.
 
I figured as much.

The spent rods have no containment vessel as I said.

And the reactors pose "0 danger"?

That's a hot one...

I posted the informed opinion of a man with a PhD in Nuclear Engineering to back up my points, all you have done is rant and cry about the stories you get from ill informed and uneducated reporters. Why is it that you think you have any type of solid ground to stand on.
Admit you are wrong and move on.

Admit that I was wrong that the containment vessels are still there? First you have to prove that I was wrong, and that Chris was right, that those containment vessels do not exist.
 

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