Japanese abandon six nuclear reactors

[Mr. H.]

Where's Kirk or Picard when you need them?

They never abandoned an eminent breach in the warp core, and always found a way out of a nasty scrape.

 

[Old Rocks]

Yep. Problem is this is reality and not fiction. Not that many happy-ever-afters in reality.

 

[Liability]

Recognizing the obvious dangers in the horrendous situation in Japan is not the same thing as being an undue alarmist.

The quake did hit followed by the tsunamis. The nuclear facilities WERE damaged, obviously, and there have been fires, explosions, radiation leakage and the situation is still FAR from being even close to "under control." As time passes, the risks increase and a complete core meltdown (or more than one of them) continues to get progressively less and less avoidable.

There are very likely going to be major environmental impacts from this, as well as a spike in radiation illnesses, cancers and deaths.

Does this mean that we need to toss up our hands and abandon nuclear as an alternative energy source? Nope. But does it mean that we have damn good reason to consider imposing major design and construction requirements on all such facilities, maybe even going so far as to do retrofit plants already in operation? I say, "yes."

In the meanwhile, the most immediate and pressing concerns are the human victims of this almost unbelievable triple hit of disasters.

 

[skookerasbil]

Yep. Problem is this is reality and not fiction. Not that many happy-ever-afters in reality.

So whats the over/under on the death toll from the fallout according to Rocks????

1 million?

2 million?


At least the k00ks are consistent............they live in the hysterical..........

The KING sheep of the USMessage Board...........

 

[Old Rocks]

At present, one level less than Chernobyl.

Institute for Science and International Security › ISIS Reports › Japan › ISIS Statement on Events at Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Site in Japan

ISIS Reports
ISIS Statement on Events at Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Site in Japan
March 15, 2011


ISIS assesses that the situation at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant has worsened considerably. The explosion in the Unit 2 reactor, the third so far, and the fire in the spent fuel pond in the reactor building for Unit 41 means that this accident can no longer be viewed as a level 4 on the International Nuclear and Radiological Events (INES) scale that ranks events from 1 to 7. A level 4 incident involves only local radiological consequences. This event is now closer to a level 6, and it may unfortunately reach a level 7.

A level 6 event means that consequences are broader and countermeasures are needed to deal with the radioactive contamination. A level 7 event would constitute a larger release of radioactive material, and would require further extended countermeasures. The international community should increase assistance to Japan to both contain the emergency at the reactors and to address the wider contamination. We need to find a solution together.

 

[skookerasbil]

At present, one level less than Chernobyl.

Institute for Science and International Security › ISIS Reports › Japan › ISIS Statement on Events at Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Site in Japan

ISIS Reports
ISIS Statement on Events at Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Site in Japan
March 15, 2011


ISIS assesses that the situation at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant has worsened considerably. The explosion in the Unit 2 reactor, the third so far, and the fire in the spent fuel pond in the reactor building for Unit 41 means that this accident can no longer be viewed as a level 4 on the International Nuclear and Radiological Events (INES) scale that ranks events from 1 to 7. A level 4 incident involves only local radiological consequences. This event is now closer to a level 6, and it may unfortunately reach a level 7.

A level 6 event means that consequences are broader and countermeasures are needed to deal with the radioactive contamination. A level 7 event would constitute a larger release of radioactive material, and would require further extended countermeasures. The international community should increase assistance to Japan to both contain the emergency at the reactors and to address the wider contamination. We need to find a solution together.

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[Zoom-boing]

Go to the article so you can access the links provided.

DO NOT believe the news articles about “deadly radiation” threatening Tokyo. No officials have suggested that there is a need to evacuate the city. While there is a possible threat to the safety of people living within 30 kilometers of the Fukushima nuclear plant, there is absolutely no indication that significant amounts of radiation will threaten other areas. There is no reliable information out there that indicates that radiation leaks that have taken place or will take place in the future will threaten Tokyo, and the notion that the United States or Europe might be in danger is pretty much insane.

For reliable level-headed reports on what is actually happening here in Japan, please consult the following links:

* Radiation Safety Update – Roy Berman & Matt Alt have compiled a very good collection of data about the events that occurred yesterday.
* Wall Street Journal Video: Nuclear Risks in Japan – WSJ’s Mariko Sanchanta and Yumiko Ono separate fact from fiction in the latest nuclear reports.
* Gakuranman’s Earthquake News Liveblog – Michael is tirelessly updating this blog as new information becomes available.
* MIT NSE Nuclear Information Hub – News update site maintained by students of the Department of Nuclear Science and Engineering at MIT. Includes a modified re-post of Dr Josef Oehmen’s “Why I am not worried about Japan’s nuclear reactors.”
* Check the following Twitter accounts for regular updates on the situation: Matt Alt, Roy Berman, Michael Gakuran, and Rick Martin, Tokyo Reporter.

Japan & Nuclear Radiation: Fear Mongering vs. Facts | Japan Probe

 

[Ravi]

Go to the article so you can access the links provided.

DO NOT believe the news articles about “deadly radiation” threatening Tokyo. No officials have suggested that there is a need to evacuate the city. While there is a possible threat to the safety of people living within 30 kilometers of the Fukushima nuclear plant, there is absolutely no indication that significant amounts of radiation will threaten other areas. There is no reliable information out there that indicates that radiation leaks that have taken place or will take place in the future will threaten Tokyo, and the notion that the United States or Europe might be in danger is pretty much insane.

For reliable level-headed reports on what is actually happening here in Japan, please consult the following links:

* Radiation Safety Update – Roy Berman & Matt Alt have compiled a very good collection of data about the events that occurred yesterday.
* Wall Street Journal Video: Nuclear Risks in Japan – WSJ’s Mariko Sanchanta and Yumiko Ono separate fact from fiction in the latest nuclear reports.
* Gakuranman’s Earthquake News Liveblog – Michael is tirelessly updating this blog as new information becomes available.
* MIT NSE Nuclear Information Hub – News update site maintained by students of the Department of Nuclear Science and Engineering at MIT. Includes a modified re-post of Dr Josef Oehmen’s “Why I am not worried about Japan’s nuclear reactors.”
* Check the following Twitter accounts for regular updates on the situation: Matt Alt, Roy Berman, Michael Gakuran, and Rick Martin, Tokyo Reporter.

Japan & Nuclear Radiation: Fear Mongering vs. Facts | Japan Probe

I haven't seen any news articles or reports claiming that deadly radiation is threatening Tokyo.

 

[Ravi]

Oh, my bad...the Star and Drudge...well, I wouldn't call them credible news sources.

 

[Chris]

Go to the article so you can access the links provided.

DO NOT believe the news articles about “deadly radiation” threatening Tokyo. No officials have suggested that there is a need to evacuate the city. While there is a possible threat to the safety of people living within 30 kilometers of the Fukushima nuclear plant, there is absolutely no indication that significant amounts of radiation will threaten other areas. There is no reliable information out there that indicates that radiation leaks that have taken place or will take place in the future will threaten Tokyo, and the notion that the United States or Europe might be in danger is pretty much insane.

For reliable level-headed reports on what is actually happening here in Japan, please consult the following links:

* Radiation Safety Update – Roy Berman & Matt Alt have compiled a very good collection of data about the events that occurred yesterday.
* Wall Street Journal Video: Nuclear Risks in Japan – WSJ’s Mariko Sanchanta and Yumiko Ono separate fact from fiction in the latest nuclear reports.
* Gakuranman’s Earthquake News Liveblog – Michael is tirelessly updating this blog as new information becomes available.
* MIT NSE Nuclear Information Hub – News update site maintained by students of the Department of Nuclear Science and Engineering at MIT. Includes a modified re-post of Dr Josef Oehmen’s “Why I am not worried about Japan’s nuclear reactors.”
* Check the following Twitter accounts for regular updates on the situation: Matt Alt, Roy Berman, Michael Gakuran, and Rick Martin, Tokyo Reporter.

Japan & Nuclear Radiation: Fear Mongering vs. Facts | Japan Probe

I haven't seen any news articles or reports claiming that deadly radiation is threatening Tokyo.

That's because there haven't been any.

It's a strawman argument set up by corporate shills like the Wall Street Journal, National Review, etc...

 

[Chris]

Here's what is happening now...

Tokyo (CNN) -- A white cloud of smoke or steam rising above Japan's Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant on Wednesday may have been caused by a breach in the containment vessel in one of its reactors, government officials said.

Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said a breach in the No. 3 reactor's containment vessel -- the steel and concrete shell that insulates radioactive material inside -- may have brought about the smoke.

Officials asked workers at the plant to evacuate temporarily earlier Wednesday after the smoke rose above the plant and radiation levels spiked. Authorities later allowed them to return after radiation levels fell, the Tokyo Electric Power Company said.

Radiation levels at the plant have surged and dropped repeatedly over the past few days. The most recent spike "probably" occurred "because the containment vessel in reactor No. 3 has been damaged," a spokesman for Japan's nuclear safety agency later told reporters.

Earlier in the day, officials spotted a fire in the plant's No. 4 reactor building. But 30 minutes later, flames were no longer visible, the Tokyo power company said.

Photographs of the building released by the power company Wednesday showed a massive hole in a wall and significant deterioration in the roof.

News of the blaze renewed concern over spent fuel rods sitting in an uncovered pool inside, which would release dangerous radiation if they caught fire.

"Each time there was one of these fires, the danger to those spent fuel ponds increases, because they're not contained. ...If they are compromised, it would be very serious indeed," said James Walsh, a CNN contributor and research associate at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's security studies program.

Agency: Damaged container may be causing smoke, radiation spike - CNN.com

 

[Zoom-boing]

Go to the article so you can access the links provided.

DO NOT believe the news articles about “deadly radiation” threatening Tokyo. No officials have suggested that there is a need to evacuate the city. While there is a possible threat to the safety of people living within 30 kilometers of the Fukushima nuclear plant, there is absolutely no indication that significant amounts of radiation will threaten other areas. There is no reliable information out there that indicates that radiation leaks that have taken place or will take place in the future will threaten Tokyo, and the notion that the United States or Europe might be in danger is pretty much insane.

For reliable level-headed reports on what is actually happening here in Japan, please consult the following links:

* Radiation Safety Update – Roy Berman & Matt Alt have compiled a very good collection of data about the events that occurred yesterday.
* Wall Street Journal Video: Nuclear Risks in Japan – WSJ’s Mariko Sanchanta and Yumiko Ono separate fact from fiction in the latest nuclear reports.
* Gakuranman’s Earthquake News Liveblog – Michael is tirelessly updating this blog as new information becomes available.
* MIT NSE Nuclear Information Hub – News update site maintained by students of the Department of Nuclear Science and Engineering at MIT. Includes a modified re-post of Dr Josef Oehmen’s “Why I am not worried about Japan’s nuclear reactors.”
* Check the following Twitter accounts for regular updates on the situation: Matt Alt, Roy Berman, Michael Gakuran, and Rick Martin, Tokyo Reporter.

Japan & Nuclear Radiation: Fear Mongering vs. Facts | Japan Probe

I haven't seen any news articles or reports claiming that deadly radiation is threatening Tokyo.

There are articles mentioning radiation in Tokyo. Just pointing out that there is a lot of media hype going on. The folks in charge in Japan don't fully understand what is/has happened because it's still unfolding so how the media can print things like 'Chernobyl Happening' and the like need to be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[KissMy]

Here are some Live Real Time Links to Geiger-Counter Nuclear Radiation Monitors in Japan

Tokyo, Japan Live Geiger-Counter Link

Chiba, Japan Live Geiger-Counter Link

Here are the levels for Radiation poisoning chart

1 mSv = 100 mrem = 0.1 rem so this would be normal radiation levels.
1 rad = 0.01 gray (Gy); 1 Gy = 100 rad;
1 rem = 0.01 Sievert (Sv); 1Sv = 100 rem
1 rad= 1 rem; 1 Gv = 1 Sv

There are rolling black-outs in Japan so these links go down periodically.

Yesterday the Chiba Geiger-Counter was up to 1.8 - I think 3 or less is good.

Please Post other live Geiger Geiger-Counter links if you have them.

 

[Chris]

Go to the article so you can access the links provided.

Japan & Nuclear Radiation: Fear Mongering vs. Facts | Japan Probe

I haven't seen any news articles or reports claiming that deadly radiation is threatening Tokyo.

There are articles mentioning radiation in Tokyo. Just pointing out that there is a lot of media hype going on. The folks in charge in Japan don't fully understand what is/has happened because it's still unfolding so how the media can print things like 'Chernobyl Happening' and the like need to be taken with a grain of salt.

The press has not hyped anything.

There are six nuclear reactors in trouble with damaged rods, explosions, and releases of radiation.

 

[Ravi]

Go to the article so you can access the links provided.

Japan & Nuclear Radiation: Fear Mongering vs. Facts | Japan Probe

I haven't seen any news articles or reports claiming that deadly radiation is threatening Tokyo.

There are articles mentioning radiation in Tokyo. Just pointing out that there is a lot of media hype going on. The folks in charge in Japan don't fully understand what is/has happened because it's still unfolding so how the media can print things like 'Chernobyl Happening' and the like need to be taken with a grain of salt.

I have read and heard that radiation has been detected in Tokyo but a low levels that are not dangerous. Not sure how that is considered media hype.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Go to the article so you can access the links provided.

Japan & Nuclear Radiation: Fear Mongering vs. Facts | Japan Probe

I haven't seen any news articles or reports claiming that deadly radiation is threatening Tokyo.

That's because there haven't been any.

It's a strawman argument set up by corporate shills like the Wall Street Journal, National Review, etc...

Uh, yes there have.

In Tokyo, the metropolitan government said Tuesday that it had detected radiation levels 20 times above normal over the city

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/16/world/asia/16nuclear.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&emc=na

Japan raced to avert a catastrophe after fire broke out at a quake-crippled nuclear plant that has already sent low levels of radiation wafting into Tokyo and prompted some people to flee the capital.

Officials in Tokyo said radiation in the capital was 10 times normal at one point but not a threat to human health in the sprawling high-tech city of 13 million people.

Reactor fire deepens Japan's multiple crises - BuenosAiresHerald.com

Thousands flee Tokyo as radiation levels reach danger levels & fears of meltdown at nuclear plant grow

Mar 16 2011 By John Ferguson

THOUSANDS of people were last night fleeing Tokyo in terror of an apocalyptic meltdown at Japan's tsunami-hit nuclear power plant.

The Fukushima Daiichi complex was rocked by a third explosion early yesterday - and blazing fires in a fourth reactor sparked full-scale panic.

Many Tokyo residents who chose not to head for the hills were locked up in their homes fearing a deadly radiation cloud after scientists admitted one reactor was no longer sealed.

Japanese tsunami: Thousands flee Tokyo as radiation levels reach danger levels & fears of meltdown at nuclear plant grow - The Daily Record

 

[Valerie]

I haven't seen any news articles or reports claiming that deadly radiation is threatening Tokyo.

There are articles mentioning radiation in Tokyo. Just pointing out that there is a lot of media hype going on. The folks in charge in Japan don't fully understand what is/has happened because it's still unfolding so how the media can print things like 'Chernobyl Happening' and the like need to be taken with a grain of salt.

I have read and heard that radiation has been detected in Tokyo but a low levels that are not dangerous. Not sure how that is considered media hype.

Yes, before the leaks got worse they were saying the prevailing winds usually come from the west and would blow the radiation out to the Pacific...It just so happened that yesterday there was a bit of rain and snow and the wind was swirling from the northeast and blowing toward Tokyo. Just to make a terrible situation even worse.


That's the last I heard but I don't know yet if they've actually measured any radiation down in Tokyo...?

 

[Valerie]

Radiation poses only slight risk to nervous Tokyo: experts

Dozens of workers battling to control radiation at Japan's stricken reactors face a far greater risk of developing cancer than normal, but Tokyo residents are within the safe range for exposure, U.S. nuclear experts said.

Radiation levels in Tokyo, one of the world's most populous cities, rose 10 times above average on Tuesday evening, spreading fear among many of the 33 million residents in the metropolitan area.

The best advice experts could give them was to stay indoors, close the windows and avoid breathing bad air -- steps very similar to those for handling a smog alert or avoiding influenza.

Radiation poses only slight risk to nervous Tokyo: experts | Reuters

 

[Chris]

Typical right wing propaganda.

When a nuclear plant has damaged rods, explosions, and radiation releases, they attack THE PRESS.

Likewise when Republican tax cuts for the wealthy create massive budget deficits, they attack THE TEACHERS.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Typical right wing propaganda.

When a nuclear plant has damaged rods, explosions, and radiation releases, they attack THE PRESS.

Likewise when Republican tax cuts for the wealthy create massive budget deficits, they attack THE TEACHERS.

Did you miss this? It's hype.

Thousands flee Tokyo as radiation levels reach danger levels & fears of meltdown at nuclear plant grow

Mar 16 2011 By John Ferguson

THOUSANDS of people were last night fleeing Tokyo in terror of an apocalyptic meltdown at Japan's tsunami-hit nuclear power plant.

The Fukushima Daiichi complex was rocked by a third explosion early yesterday - and blazing fires in a fourth reactor sparked full-scale panic.

Many Tokyo residents who chose not to head for the hills were locked up in their homes fearing a deadly radiation cloud after scientists admitted one reactor was no longer sealed.

Japanese tsunami: Thousands flee Tokyo as radiation levels reach danger levels & fears of meltdown at nuclear plant grow - The Daily Record

Or this

State and county officials spent much of Tuesday trying to keep people calm by saying that getting the pills wasn't necessary, but then the United States surgeon general supported the idea as a worthy "precaution."

U.S. Surgeon General Regina Benjamin is in the Bay Area touring a peninsula hospital. NBC Bay Area reporter Damian Trujillo asked her about the run on [iodine] tablets and Dr. Benjamin said although she wasn't aware of people stocking up, she did not think that would be an overreaction. She said it was right to be prepared.

http://nation.foxnews.com/surgeon-g...urgeon-general-tells-west-coasters-buy-iodine

No one is saying this isn't a horrible situation unfolding but I've read many articles with 'the next Chernobyl' type information. That isn't true (and can't be because Japans reactors are completely different then Chernobyls) but it's being hyped as such by the media.

Cripes, just find more info than a few news articles is all.

Why do you guys always turn everything into a fight?

And what the hell do Republicans, taxes, or unions have to do with what's happening in Japan?

You're