James Madison Vetos The Bonus Bill!

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    Madison Vetos the Bonus Bill!

    1.On this day March 3, 1817 President James Madison, who believed that the Constitution should be strictly interpreted, as demonstrated in his veto of John Calhoun’s “Bonus Bill” that would have used federal funds to help build a “perfect of roads and canals” for the nation.

    Madison believed “the permanent success o the Constitution depends on a definite partition of powers between the General and State Governments” and that he could find no provision in the Constitution that called on the federal government to build roads and canals. The idea of funneling federal funds to specific local projects originally came from Congressman John C. Calhoun, who wanted to use the earnings bonus from the Second Bank of the United States in this manner.

    2. It is of more than passing interesting that Progressives view of government is of the contrary: powers must be centralized in an executive, and the bureaucrats that invest this type of government. “…the agencies comprising the bureaucracy reside within the executive branch of our national government, but their powers transcend the traditional boundaries of executive power to include both legislative and judicial functions, and these powers are often exercised in a manner that is largely independent of presidential control and altogether independent of political control.” The Birth of the Administrative State: Where It Came From and What It Means for Limited Government

    3. . Woodrow Wilson essay “Socialism and Democracy:” ‘Limitations of public authority must be put aside; the state may cross that boundary at will.’The collective is not limited by individual rights. Progressives like Woodrow Wilson detested the separation, as it stood in the way of the Progressive agenda.

    a. Woodrow Wilson essay “What is Progress?” Critique of the Constitution. “Government is a living thing, Darwinian, not Newtonian.” Wilson states that the Founders constructed a machine, one that moved ‘by virtue of the efficiency of checks and balances. It is accountable to Darwin, not to Newton. It is modified by its environment, necessitated by its tasks, shaped to its functions by the sheer pressure of life. No living thing can have its organs offset against each other, as checks, and live.’

    b. Separation of powers should be discarded.



    America stands at a crossroads today. Will it be James Madison, or Woodrow Wilson that we follow?
     
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    Sarah Palin.
     
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    Cover up, your ignorance is showing.... again.
     
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    Nope I am saying that the American people for the most part do not learn anything at all from history.
     
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    Well, it appears we have learned nothing from 1930s America when communism was viewed quite favorably. Fortunately, we are not so stupid now.
     
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    LMAO.
    Good one :clap2:

    this thread needs to be moved to the humor fourm.
     
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    What about that rally in Feb 1939? In Madison Square Gardens. Did that not happen? No 20,000 people rallying in support of totalitarianism in the US?
     
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    That was even before Bush. Who cares?
     
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    Those who do not learn from history are destined to repeat it. That's why intelligent people care.

    But.... here is a little saying more appropriate for you..... It is better to say nothing and be thought a fool, than open your mouth and confirm it.
     
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    My good friend USC seems unaware of this recent history:

    ” In the early days of the New Deal, Paul Appleby, then an Agriculture Department official* and a pundit among public administrators, said: "A man in the employ of the Government had just as much right to be a member of the Communist Party as he has to be a member of the Democratic or Republican Party." This attitude, modified and veiled, still persists.

    Executive Order 10450, issued by the President on April 27, 1953, establishing broad new security standards for federal employment. Critics say that Ten-Four-Fifty results in a cold reign of terror among Government workers, that no man is safe from his neighbor's malice. Defenders say that Order 10450 is necessary to protect the U.S. from the infiltration of its Government by enemies.
    EXECUTIVE Order 10450 requires that the hiring and continued employment of federal workers must, in the judgment of department and agency heads, be "clearly consistent" with the interests of national security. The order recognizes that an employee may be loyal, yet still be a security risk. ... The person with relatives behind the Iron Curtain may be exposed to overwhelming pressures. The alcoholic may unintentionally blab secrets.
    But the system does not—and cannot—adhere strictly to judicial principles, with the "defendant" presumed innocent until proved guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. For guilt in the legal sense is not involved. The idea is not to wait until the drunken employee gives away an important secret; it is to get rid of him beforehand. “
    Read more: National Affairs: THE MEANING OF SECURITY - TIME
     

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