It Is Official: The US Is A Police State

[RetiredGySgt]

Guess what? As far as I know, you might be a terrorist.

Does that make it ok for the FBI to break down your door?

YES if they have a valid warrant they can and it is COMPLETELY legal and PROPER. You are ASSUMING they lied to get the warrants, guess what that makes you?.

I assumed nothing. But until the warrants are released, we don't know what's in them, do we?

You're the one ASSuming that the warrants are proper..

Guess what that makes you?



Why do the same people who distrust any government program inherently trust anything law enforcement does? Isn't the FBI a "government program"?

You have no right to see them unless they are unsealed. Being sealed does not mean anything except the Government got permission to do so. Once again in order for you to whine about this YOU have to assume they lied to get them. That is a none starter on its face. Sealed Warrants are not something new nor invented by the Patriot act.

 

[chanel]

Um not every person who is investigated for a crime is guilty. Nor are they necessarily innocent.

Does the presumption of innocence mean that no one can be investigated unless they have been proven guilty? Sheez. Think about that folks. The FBI got a warrant because they may have been aiding and abetting some bad guys. They won't know for sure until they complete the process. That aint a "police state" That's called "police work"

 

[theDoctorisIn]

YES if they have a valid warrant they can and it is COMPLETELY legal and PROPER. You are ASSUMING they lied to get the warrants, guess what that makes you?.

I assumed nothing. But until the warrants are released, we don't know what's in them, do we?

You're the one ASSuming that the warrants are proper..

Guess what that makes you?



Why do the same people who distrust any government program inherently trust anything law enforcement does? Isn't the FBI a "government program"?

You have no right to see them unless they are unsealed. Being sealed does not mean anything except the Government got permission to do so. Once again in order for you to whine about this YOU have to assume they lied to get them. That is a none starter on its face. Sealed Warrants are not something new nor invented by the Patriot act.

My problems with Law enforcement and the US Judicial System didn't start with the Patriot Act, friend.

 

[Flopper]

The term police state describes a state in which the government exercises rigid and repressive controls over the social, economic and political life of the population. A police state typically exhibits elements of totalitarianism and social control, and there is usually little or no distinction between the law and the exercise of political power by the executive.

Police state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Very few people would agree that we live in a police state.

Right, that was only when Booooosch was president.

Flopper's mental processes:

1. Damn this is bad.

2. Can we blame Bush? We used to.

3. No way...shit.

4. Can we deny it?

5. Not likely.

6. What's left?

7. Semantics.

8. Some antics?

9. No stupid...semantics...find a definition.

10. Riiiight...great idea.

11. Time to post...YAY!
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Don't you read the posts before you reply to them?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I assumed nothing. But until the warrants are released, we don't know what's in them, do we?

You're the one ASSuming that the warrants are proper..

Guess what that makes you?



Why do the same people who distrust any government program inherently trust anything law enforcement does? Isn't the FBI a "government program"?

You have no right to see them unless they are unsealed. Being sealed does not mean anything except the Government got permission to do so. Once again in order for you to whine about this YOU have to assume they lied to get them. That is a none starter on its face. Sealed Warrants are not something new nor invented by the Patriot act.

My problems with Law enforcement and the US Judicial System didn't start with the Patriot Act, friend.

I see professionals for my paranoid delusions and take medication, perhaps you should look into that. Just a suggestion.

 

[Missourian]

Ruby Ridge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just because they're after the lefties this time doesn't make them any more trustworthy.

 

[Missourian]

In fact, the case could be made that they've learned a lesson...go after the left when the left is politically embattled...that'll quell opposition from the left and the media.

 

[shintao]

it happened regularly under bush as well. the usa has been a police state for a long time

You made a claim, PROVE it.

Bill of Rights Under Bush: A Timeline


By Phil Leggiere, writing for QuestionAuthority


2001

January

Presidential directive delays indefinitely the scheduled release of presidential documents (authorized by the Presidential Records Act of 1978) pertaining to the Reagan-Bush administration. Link

Bush and Cheney begin process of radically broadening scope of documents and information which can be deemed classified. Link

February

The National Security Agency (NSA) sets up Project Groundbreaker, a domestic call monitoring program infrastructure. Link

Spring

Bush administration order authorizes NSA monitoring of domestic phone and internet traffic. Link

May

US Supreme Court rules that medical necessity is not a permissible defense against federal marijuana statutes. Link

September

In immediate aftermath of 9-11 terror attacks, Department of Justice authorizes detention without charge for any terror suspects. Over one thousand suspects are brought into detention over the next several months. Link (pdf)



Bill of Rights Under Bush: A Timeline - MondoGlobo

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Your claim and it simply is not factual in the claim that any of it was illegal. But thanks for trying.

 

[The Rabbi]

What do you expect with 24, CSI, Cops, etc type shows doinating the entertainment industry.
All part of the plan folks.

Producing good law abiding citizens who love America.

Ya cause the Liberals that run most of the shows parent companies care what the Government wants and are not out to MAKE MONEY.

Our entertainment industry is mostly controlled by the Jews.

They are out for their best interests which do not necessarially coincide with the best interests of the USA.

There are medications that can help you.

 

[zzzz]

The term police state describes a state in which the government exercises rigid and repressive controls over the social, economic and political life of the population. A police state typically exhibits elements of totalitarianism and social control, and there is usually little or no distinction between the law and the exercise of political power by the executive.

Police state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Very few people would agree that we live in a police state.

I believe the US is more a quasi police state. The threshold for a police state has not been reached yet but it is approachable. In the interest of security a lot of bad things can happen. The intent might not be there but law can be manipulated by unsavory individuals to expand the original purpose of those laws. That is what we have to watch for. For if the law is bad and constitutional it is legal.

Does the privacy of the individual carry more weight than the percieved threat to national security? Where is the line? When does free speech become seditious? Questions that have hounded us since we became a nation.

 

[rightwinger]

The new view, Napolitano said, is "to counter violent extremism right here at home."

You either are tough on terrorism or you are not. You do not make exceptions for homegrown terrorists. You are just as dead from a bomb from a homegrown terrorist as an Islamic one

 

[Flopper]

The term police state describes a state in which the government exercises rigid and repressive controls over the social, economic and political life of the population. A police state typically exhibits elements of totalitarianism and social control, and there is usually little or no distinction between the law and the exercise of political power by the executive.

Police state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Very few people would agree that we live in a police state.

I believe the US is more a quasi police state. The threshold for a police state has not been reached yet but it is approachable. In the interest of security a lot of bad things can happen. The intent might not be there but law can be manipulated by unsavory individuals to expand the original purpose of those laws. That is what we have to watch for. For if the law is bad and constitutional it is legal.

Does the privacy of the individual carry more weight than the percieved threat to national security? Where is the line? When does free speech become seditious? Questions that have hounded us since we became a nation.

The question of whether we are a police state is purely subjective. It's impossible to objectively determine whether a nation has become or is becoming a police state. A police state and a democratic government can't coexist. We are one of the more democratic countries in the world. So, by comparison, we are a long way from being a police state.

Police state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JakeStarkey]

Any true American is against sealed warrant searches of Americans without extreme cause. If that is the case, then the warrants should be unsealed immediately upon end of extreme cause.

I don't give a flying damn that both Bush and Obama's admins have done this. They are both wrong, and the Patriot Act is an infringement on citizens' lives without the slightest proof that the lack of if endangers America or the Constitution.

Democrats or Republicans, depending on which party holds office, who blindly support this type of activity are anti-American in action if not in their blinded biases.

 

[Liability]

It is NOT "official." It is not even true.

There. Corrected.

JPukeenema is a lying fucker. That is all.

 

[Charles_Main]

Any true American is against sealed warrant searches of Americans without extreme cause. If that is the case, then the warrants should be unsealed immediately upon end of extreme cause.

I don't give a flying damn that both Bush and Obama's admins have done this. They are both wrong, and the Patriot Act is an infringement on citizens' lives without the slightest proof that the lack of if endangers America or the Constitution.

Democrats or Republicans, depending on which party holds office, who blindly support this type of activity are anti-American in action if not in their blinded biases.

See though the difference this time, Is Obama ran as something different. I think many people assumed he would put a stop to stuff like this. Not that I did, I always assumed once in office he would see the danger we face and do what was needed to be done.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Some have said from the beginning that Obama is a neo-con, which I did not believe, although I have been reconsidering my thinking about that for some time.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Any true American is against sealed warrant searches of Americans without extreme cause. If that is the case, then the warrants should be unsealed immediately upon end of extreme cause.

I don't give a flying damn that both Bush and Obama's admins have done this. They are both wrong, and the Patriot Act is an infringement on citizens' lives without the slightest proof that the lack of if endangers America or the Constitution.

Democrats or Republicans, depending on which party holds office, who blindly support this type of activity are anti-American in action if not in their blinded biases.

Any true American ignores the ravings of JokeStarkey.

 

[hipeter924]

A police state? When France (Obamas utopian ideal) thinks this is perfectly acceptable...

Sarkozy's persecution of Gypsies is act of popular barbarism | Deseret News

WASHINGTON — With Europe's socioeconomic model in a state of decrepitude and the continent gripped by a crisis of confidence in the face of its shrinking role in a world increasingly slanted to the East, French President Nicolas Sarkozy thinks his country's overriding 21st-century challenge is … a few thousand Roma, popularly known as Gypsies.
Sarkozy has spent the last few weeks dismantling Roma campsites and expelling their residents to Bulgaria and Romania, playing into the stereotypes that have made Gypsies the most despised minority in Europe. And he has rebuked criticism from the European Commission with the chutzpah one has come to expect from Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Venezuela's Hugo Chavez or, indeed, France's Jean-Marie Le Pen.
More than 8,000 Roma have been kicked out this year; an even greater number were deported, with less grandstanding, in 2009. Now Sarkozy has made this his overriding cause in the run-up to France's assumption of the presidency of the Group of 20 largest economies. More importantly, he is trying to stir nationalist sentiment in preparation for the 2012 presidential election. He fears defeat at the hand of the Socialists — and being outflanked by the far-right National Front.

 

[2Parties]

Paul Craig Roberts is all for a police state when it involves increased taxes on imports and immigration of brown people from the south.

Also, the US government has supported for centuries and will continue to support police state activities. It's not new. The most critical action in creating a national police state with the signing and enactment of the US Constitution, which started this mess...