It is better that this woman was raped, than that she use a gun on her hip to stop it...right?

[2aguy]

Watch this folks...this is how to make a complete assclown out of a gun grabber in one sentence..........

So Bullshit, how many people were killed by drunk drivers and texting drivers during the SAME period?
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(We don't even have to go into how many babies were killed during that same time)

Watch this folks. This crazy thinks he can change the subject, and nobody will notice. He's pretty dumb, isn't he?

Notice how this coward refuses to admit that his position on guns.....leads to it being better that a woman is raped and murdered instead of carrying and using a gun to save her own life....

Notice how this poster simply refuses to embrace the truth of his gun control beliefs......

This is the best part. Where you can't counter anything, and you just start babbling Alex Jones talking points.

Again.....

Should this woman be raped and murdered, or should she have the ability to carry and use a gun to stop it?

And nothing I post comes from alex jones or the NRA, except some news stories the NRA collects....

You are asking several questions, and pretending it is only one. I already said she should be allowed to defend herself. That doesn't address the issue of how she is armed, or where she is armed. What training does she have? Is she a marksman, or someone who never shot a gun, and is more likely to shoot herself or a bystander, Your arguments are dishonest.

Again.....you are dodging.....yes or no...? should she have the option of carrying a gun, you know, the most effective way to stop a violent attacker especially for a woman.

 

[Skull Pilot]

In Britain, they have taken guns away from law abiding people.....and now their gun crime rate has gone through the roof, and their violent crimes, like rape....are going through the roof.......

And according to anti gunners here on U.S. message...and everywhere else....it is better that women be raped, and possibly murdered, than that they should have the option of using a concealed or open carried gun to stop that rape......

This woman is in Britain...she got off of a London Bus....and was raped....according to anti gunners, this is better than if she had a gun and used it to drive off, capture, injure or kill her attacker...right?

Since they do not believe anyone should carry a gun, this is the preferred outcome....right?

Young woman raped after getting off late-night bus

London.

The victim, aged in her 20s, had got off the bus and was walking down an alleyway when she was attacked from behind and raped, police said.

The incident happened just after midnight as the woman made her way from Millwood Road to Brantwood Road in St Paul's Cray, Bromley.


DC James White, who leads the investigation, said: "This incident took place in a secluded area, and the attack has left the woman traumatised by her ordeal.

All garbage.
You live in England mr brave Star Wars?
One example.
Their rates are way lower than ours.
What do we have ? 500 mass shootings a year ?
Don't mention of our 20000 rapes a year?

No...we don't have 500 mass shootings a year...we had 6 last year, with 71 people murdered......on guy in Nice, France killed 89 people with a rental Truck.

And Britain has gun crime and it is getting worse each year.....so far they just shoot each other, without killing....that is soon going to change....

While gun related deaths still happen in England, only an idiot would think their ways of preventing them aren't far superior to ours.

Gun violence rare in U.K. compared to U.S.
The gun homicide rate in England and Wales is about one for every 1 million people, according to the Geneva Declaration of Armed Violence and Development, a multinational organization based in Switzerland.

In a population of 56 million, that adds up to about 50 to 60 gun killings annually. In the USA, by contrast, there are about 160 times as many gun homicides in a country that is roughly six times larger in population. There were 8,124 gun homicides in 2014, according to the latest FBI figures.

So now it's just gun related deaths?

I take it all those people murdered by other means don't matter as much.

Out of that 8124 how many were gang related, how many were criminals shooting other criminals how many were committed by a gun owner with no criminal history?

 

[Skull Pilot]

In Britain, they have taken guns away from law abiding people.....and now their gun crime rate has gone through the roof, and their violent crimes, like rape....are going through the roof.......

And according to anti gunners here on U.S. message...and everywhere else....it is better that women be raped, and possibly murdered, than that they should have the option of using a concealed or open carried gun to stop that rape......

This woman is in Britain...she got off of a London Bus....and was raped....according to anti gunners, this is better than if she had a gun and used it to drive off, capture, injure or kill her attacker...right?

Since they do not believe anyone should carry a gun, this is the preferred outcome....right?

Young woman raped after getting off late-night bus

London.

The victim, aged in her 20s, had got off the bus and was walking down an alleyway when she was attacked from behind and raped, police said.

The incident happened just after midnight as the woman made her way from Millwood Road to Brantwood Road in St Paul's Cray, Bromley.


DC James White, who leads the investigation, said: "This incident took place in a secluded area, and the attack has left the woman traumatised by her ordeal.

All garbage.
You live in England mr brave Star Wars?
One example.
Their rates are way lower than ours.
What do we have ? 500 mass shootings a year ?
Don't mention of our 20000 rapes a year?

No...we don't have 500 mass shootings a year...we had 6 last year, with 71 people murdered......on guy in Nice, France killed 89 people with a rental Truck.

And Britain has gun crime and it is getting worse each year.....so far they just shoot each other, without killing....that is soon going to change....

While gun related deaths still happen in England, only an idiot would think their ways of preventing them aren't far superior to ours.

Gun violence rare in U.K. compared to U.S.
The gun homicide rate in England and Wales is about one for every 1 million people, according to the Geneva Declaration of Armed Violence and Development, a multinational organization based in Switzerland.

In a population of 56 million, that adds up to about 50 to 60 gun killings annually. In the USA, by contrast, there are about 160 times as many gun homicides in a country that is roughly six times larger in population. There were 8,124 gun homicides in 2014, according to the latest FBI figures.

They haven't prevented them....their criminals simply don't commit murder as often as our criminals do...what about that do you not understand...they have guns, they use guns, they don't murder with them...yet.....but as link after link shows....they have cut their police, they have hamstrung their police with political correctness, and their young males are becoming more and more violent on top of the fact they are importing violent drug gangs into their country.....

And their gun crime rate is going up...a lot, every single year...how long do you think they can get away with massive gun crime before the bodies start to fall?

Yes, I'm sure it is disappointing for you that their tactics are working, and ours aren't. Poor crazy baby.

All their gun laws didn't lower their murder rate or their crime rate

 

[KissMy]

Logic dictates the woman would still be raped and her gun stolen unless she knows martial arts.

Repubtards love guns & hate sex!

 

[2aguy]

Logic dictates the woman would still be raped and her gun stolen unless she knows martial arts.

Repubtards love guns & hate sex!

And democrats think rape is their birthright for voting for abortion.....

 

[BULLDOG]

In Britain, they have taken guns away from law abiding people.....and now their gun crime rate has gone through the roof, and their violent crimes, like rape....are going through the roof.......

And according to anti gunners here on U.S. message...and everywhere else....it is better that women be raped, and possibly murdered, than that they should have the option of using a concealed or open carried gun to stop that rape......

This woman is in Britain...she got off of a London Bus....and was raped....according to anti gunners, this is better than if she had a gun and used it to drive off, capture, injure or kill her attacker...right?

Since they do not believe anyone should carry a gun, this is the preferred outcome....right?

Young woman raped after getting off late-night bus

London.

The victim, aged in her 20s, had got off the bus and was walking down an alleyway when she was attacked from behind and raped, police said.

The incident happened just after midnight as the woman made her way from Millwood Road to Brantwood Road in St Paul's Cray, Bromley.


DC James White, who leads the investigation, said: "This incident took place in a secluded area, and the attack has left the woman traumatised by her ordeal.

All garbage.
You live in England mr brave Star Wars?
One example.
Their rates are way lower than ours.
What do we have ? 500 mass shootings a year ?
Don't mention of our 20000 rapes a year?

No...we don't have 500 mass shootings a year...we had 6 last year, with 71 people murdered......on guy in Nice, France killed 89 people with a rental Truck.

And Britain has gun crime and it is getting worse each year.....so far they just shoot each other, without killing....that is soon going to change....

While gun related deaths still happen in England, only an idiot would think their ways of preventing them aren't far superior to ours.

Gun violence rare in U.K. compared to U.S.
The gun homicide rate in England and Wales is about one for every 1 million people, according to the Geneva Declaration of Armed Violence and Development, a multinational organization based in Switzerland.

In a population of 56 million, that adds up to about 50 to 60 gun killings annually. In the USA, by contrast, there are about 160 times as many gun homicides in a country that is roughly six times larger in population. There were 8,124 gun homicides in 2014, according to the latest FBI figures.

So now it's just gun related deaths?

I take it all those people murdered by other means don't matter as much.

Out of that 8124 how many were gang related, how many were criminals shooting other criminals how many were committed by a gun owner with no criminal history?

Grab a subject and hang on. Feel free to start a thread about those other things, but this one is about guns.

 

[2aguy]

In Britain, they have taken guns away from law abiding people.....and now their gun crime rate has gone through the roof, and their violent crimes, like rape....are going through the roof.......

And according to anti gunners here on U.S. message...and everywhere else....it is better that women be raped, and possibly murdered, than that they should have the option of using a concealed or open carried gun to stop that rape......

This woman is in Britain...she got off of a London Bus....and was raped....according to anti gunners, this is better than if she had a gun and used it to drive off, capture, injure or kill her attacker...right?

Since they do not believe anyone should carry a gun, this is the preferred outcome....right?

Young woman raped after getting off late-night bus

London.

The victim, aged in her 20s, had got off the bus and was walking down an alleyway when she was attacked from behind and raped, police said.

The incident happened just after midnight as the woman made her way from Millwood Road to Brantwood Road in St Paul's Cray, Bromley.


DC James White, who leads the investigation, said: "This incident took place in a secluded area, and the attack has left the woman traumatised by her ordeal.

All garbage.
You live in England mr brave Star Wars?
One example.
Their rates are way lower than ours.
What do we have ? 500 mass shootings a year ?
Don't mention of our 20000 rapes a year?

No...we don't have 500 mass shootings a year...we had 6 last year, with 71 people murdered......on guy in Nice, France killed 89 people with a rental Truck.

And Britain has gun crime and it is getting worse each year.....so far they just shoot each other, without killing....that is soon going to change....

While gun related deaths still happen in England, only an idiot would think their ways of preventing them aren't far superior to ours.

Gun violence rare in U.K. compared to U.S.
The gun homicide rate in England and Wales is about one for every 1 million people, according to the Geneva Declaration of Armed Violence and Development, a multinational organization based in Switzerland.

In a population of 56 million, that adds up to about 50 to 60 gun killings annually. In the USA, by contrast, there are about 160 times as many gun homicides in a country that is roughly six times larger in population. There were 8,124 gun homicides in 2014, according to the latest FBI figures.

So now it's just gun related deaths?

I take it all those people murdered by other means don't matter as much.

Out of that 8124 how many were gang related, how many were criminals shooting other criminals how many were committed by a gun owner with no criminal history?

Grab a subject and hang on. Feel free to start a thread about those other things, but this one is about guns.

Actually, this one is a question about where your anti gun beliefs actually lead us.......

And one you still haven't answered.....

Should this woman be able to carry a gun to stop her own rape and murder at the hands of a violent criminal......? Or do you prefer that she be raped and murdered rather than have that gun?

 

[BULLDOG]

All garbage.
You live in England mr brave Star Wars?
One example.
Their rates are way lower than ours.
What do we have ? 500 mass shootings a year ?
Don't mention of our 20000 rapes a year?

No...we don't have 500 mass shootings a year...we had 6 last year, with 71 people murdered......on guy in Nice, France killed 89 people with a rental Truck.

And Britain has gun crime and it is getting worse each year.....so far they just shoot each other, without killing....that is soon going to change....

While gun related deaths still happen in England, only an idiot would think their ways of preventing them aren't far superior to ours.

Gun violence rare in U.K. compared to U.S.
The gun homicide rate in England and Wales is about one for every 1 million people, according to the Geneva Declaration of Armed Violence and Development, a multinational organization based in Switzerland.

In a population of 56 million, that adds up to about 50 to 60 gun killings annually. In the USA, by contrast, there are about 160 times as many gun homicides in a country that is roughly six times larger in population. There were 8,124 gun homicides in 2014, according to the latest FBI figures.

They haven't prevented them....their criminals simply don't commit murder as often as our criminals do...what about that do you not understand...they have guns, they use guns, they don't murder with them...yet.....but as link after link shows....they have cut their police, they have hamstrung their police with political correctness, and their young males are becoming more and more violent on top of the fact they are importing violent drug gangs into their country.....

And their gun crime rate is going up...a lot, every single year...how long do you think they can get away with massive gun crime before the bodies start to fall?

Yes, I'm sure it is disappointing for you that their tactics are working, and ours aren't. Poor crazy baby.

All their gun laws didn't lower their murder rate or their crime rate

All their gun laws kept their murder rate extremely low. Only a small fraction of ours.

 

[2aguy]

No...we don't have 500 mass shootings a year...we had 6 last year, with 71 people murdered......on guy in Nice, France killed 89 people with a rental Truck.

And Britain has gun crime and it is getting worse each year.....so far they just shoot each other, without killing....that is soon going to change....

While gun related deaths still happen in England, only an idiot would think their ways of preventing them aren't far superior to ours.

Gun violence rare in U.K. compared to U.S.
The gun homicide rate in England and Wales is about one for every 1 million people, according to the Geneva Declaration of Armed Violence and Development, a multinational organization based in Switzerland.

In a population of 56 million, that adds up to about 50 to 60 gun killings annually. In the USA, by contrast, there are about 160 times as many gun homicides in a country that is roughly six times larger in population. There were 8,124 gun homicides in 2014, according to the latest FBI figures.

They haven't prevented them....their criminals simply don't commit murder as often as our criminals do...what about that do you not understand...they have guns, they use guns, they don't murder with them...yet.....but as link after link shows....they have cut their police, they have hamstrung their police with political correctness, and their young males are becoming more and more violent on top of the fact they are importing violent drug gangs into their country.....

And their gun crime rate is going up...a lot, every single year...how long do you think they can get away with massive gun crime before the bodies start to fall?

Yes, I'm sure it is disappointing for you that their tactics are working, and ours aren't. Poor crazy baby.

All their gun laws didn't lower their murder rate or their crime rate

All their gun laws kept their murder rate extremely low. Only a small fraction of ours.

guy.....their gun laws aren't stopping criminals...even teenage criminals from getting hand guns...the only reason they don't have more murder with those guns is they aren't murdering people by choice.......yet.

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

=========



Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

 

[2aguy]

No...we don't have 500 mass shootings a year...we had 6 last year, with 71 people murdered......on guy in Nice, France killed 89 people with a rental Truck.

And Britain has gun crime and it is getting worse each year.....so far they just shoot each other, without killing....that is soon going to change....

While gun related deaths still happen in England, only an idiot would think their ways of preventing them aren't far superior to ours.

Gun violence rare in U.K. compared to U.S.
The gun homicide rate in England and Wales is about one for every 1 million people, according to the Geneva Declaration of Armed Violence and Development, a multinational organization based in Switzerland.

In a population of 56 million, that adds up to about 50 to 60 gun killings annually. In the USA, by contrast, there are about 160 times as many gun homicides in a country that is roughly six times larger in population. There were 8,124 gun homicides in 2014, according to the latest FBI figures.

They haven't prevented them....their criminals simply don't commit murder as often as our criminals do...what about that do you not understand...they have guns, they use guns, they don't murder with them...yet.....but as link after link shows....they have cut their police, they have hamstrung their police with political correctness, and their young males are becoming more and more violent on top of the fact they are importing violent drug gangs into their country.....

And their gun crime rate is going up...a lot, every single year...how long do you think they can get away with massive gun crime before the bodies start to fall?

Yes, I'm sure it is disappointing for you that their tactics are working, and ours aren't. Poor crazy baby.

All their gun laws didn't lower their murder rate or their crime rate

All their gun laws kept their murder rate extremely low. Only a small fraction of ours.

Just this week a guy walked into a nursery with a hand gun....the only thing that kept him from mass murdering all those children is he didn't want to...he was looking to shoot some other guy...but their gun control laws didn't stop him from murdering those kids with his hand gun....

You really need to start engaging your brain.

 

[Skull Pilot]

No...we don't have 500 mass shootings a year...we had 6 last year, with 71 people murdered......on guy in Nice, France killed 89 people with a rental Truck.

And Britain has gun crime and it is getting worse each year.....so far they just shoot each other, without killing....that is soon going to change....

While gun related deaths still happen in England, only an idiot would think their ways of preventing them aren't far superior to ours.

Gun violence rare in U.K. compared to U.S.
The gun homicide rate in England and Wales is about one for every 1 million people, according to the Geneva Declaration of Armed Violence and Development, a multinational organization based in Switzerland.

In a population of 56 million, that adds up to about 50 to 60 gun killings annually. In the USA, by contrast, there are about 160 times as many gun homicides in a country that is roughly six times larger in population. There were 8,124 gun homicides in 2014, according to the latest FBI figures.

They haven't prevented them....their criminals simply don't commit murder as often as our criminals do...what about that do you not understand...they have guns, they use guns, they don't murder with them...yet.....but as link after link shows....they have cut their police, they have hamstrung their police with political correctness, and their young males are becoming more and more violent on top of the fact they are importing violent drug gangs into their country.....

And their gun crime rate is going up...a lot, every single year...how long do you think they can get away with massive gun crime before the bodies start to fall?

Yes, I'm sure it is disappointing for you that their tactics are working, and ours aren't. Poor crazy baby.

All their gun laws didn't lower their murder rate or their crime rate

All their gun laws kept their murder rate extremely low. Only a small fraction of ours.

No it didn't. Their murder rate was lower BEFORE all the gun laws

 

[BULLDOG]

All garbage.
You live in England mr brave Star Wars?
One example.
Their rates are way lower than ours.
What do we have ? 500 mass shootings a year ?
Don't mention of our 20000 rapes a year?

No...we don't have 500 mass shootings a year...we had 6 last year, with 71 people murdered......on guy in Nice, France killed 89 people with a rental Truck.

And Britain has gun crime and it is getting worse each year.....so far they just shoot each other, without killing....that is soon going to change....

While gun related deaths still happen in England, only an idiot would think their ways of preventing them aren't far superior to ours.

Gun violence rare in U.K. compared to U.S.
The gun homicide rate in England and Wales is about one for every 1 million people, according to the Geneva Declaration of Armed Violence and Development, a multinational organization based in Switzerland.

In a population of 56 million, that adds up to about 50 to 60 gun killings annually. In the USA, by contrast, there are about 160 times as many gun homicides in a country that is roughly six times larger in population. There were 8,124 gun homicides in 2014, according to the latest FBI figures.

So now it's just gun related deaths?

I take it all those people murdered by other means don't matter as much.

Out of that 8124 how many were gang related, how many were criminals shooting other criminals how many were committed by a gun owner with no criminal history?

Grab a subject and hang on. Feel free to start a thread about those other things, but this one is about guns.

Actually, this one is a question about where your anti gun beliefs actually lead us.......

And one you still haven't answered.....

Should this woman be able to carry a gun to stop her own rape and murder at the hands of a violent criminal......? Or do you prefer that she be raped and murdered rather than have that gun?

Still with the same disingenuous multi-aspect question. It can't accurately be answered with a Yes/No answer. RWNJs play these games all the time. It's dishonest.

 

[2aguy]

No...we don't have 500 mass shootings a year...we had 6 last year, with 71 people murdered......on guy in Nice, France killed 89 people with a rental Truck.

And Britain has gun crime and it is getting worse each year.....so far they just shoot each other, without killing....that is soon going to change....

While gun related deaths still happen in England, only an idiot would think their ways of preventing them aren't far superior to ours.

Gun violence rare in U.K. compared to U.S.
The gun homicide rate in England and Wales is about one for every 1 million people, according to the Geneva Declaration of Armed Violence and Development, a multinational organization based in Switzerland.

In a population of 56 million, that adds up to about 50 to 60 gun killings annually. In the USA, by contrast, there are about 160 times as many gun homicides in a country that is roughly six times larger in population. There were 8,124 gun homicides in 2014, according to the latest FBI figures.

So now it's just gun related deaths?

I take it all those people murdered by other means don't matter as much.

Out of that 8124 how many were gang related, how many were criminals shooting other criminals how many were committed by a gun owner with no criminal history?

Grab a subject and hang on. Feel free to start a thread about those other things, but this one is about guns.

Actually, this one is a question about where your anti gun beliefs actually lead us.......

And one you still haven't answered.....

Should this woman be able to carry a gun to stop her own rape and murder at the hands of a violent criminal......? Or do you prefer that she be raped and murdered rather than have that gun?

Still with the same disingenuous multi-aspect question. It can't accurately be answered with a Yes/No answer. RWNJs play these games all the time. It's dishonest.

Yes....this question can be answered with a yes/no answer..........Do you think this woman should be able to carry a gun for self defense to stop her own rape and murder. Yes or no? Everything else is unnecessary till that question is answered, and you don't want to answer it because it reveals the truth behind your anti gun extremism. You want this woman to be raped and murdered instead of allowing her to have that gun...because you hate gun owners.

 

[BULLDOG]

While gun related deaths still happen in England, only an idiot would think their ways of preventing them aren't far superior to ours.

Gun violence rare in U.K. compared to U.S.
The gun homicide rate in England and Wales is about one for every 1 million people, according to the Geneva Declaration of Armed Violence and Development, a multinational organization based in Switzerland.

In a population of 56 million, that adds up to about 50 to 60 gun killings annually. In the USA, by contrast, there are about 160 times as many gun homicides in a country that is roughly six times larger in population. There were 8,124 gun homicides in 2014, according to the latest FBI figures.

They haven't prevented them....their criminals simply don't commit murder as often as our criminals do...what about that do you not understand...they have guns, they use guns, they don't murder with them...yet.....but as link after link shows....they have cut their police, they have hamstrung their police with political correctness, and their young males are becoming more and more violent on top of the fact they are importing violent drug gangs into their country.....

And their gun crime rate is going up...a lot, every single year...how long do you think they can get away with massive gun crime before the bodies start to fall?

Yes, I'm sure it is disappointing for you that their tactics are working, and ours aren't. Poor crazy baby.

All their gun laws didn't lower their murder rate or their crime rate

All their gun laws kept their murder rate extremely low. Only a small fraction of ours.

guy.....their gun laws aren't stopping criminals...even teenage criminals from getting hand guns...the only reason they don't have more murder with those guns is they aren't murdering people by choice.......yet.

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




========



Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

=========



Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Think about that absurd remark for a minute
"the only reason they don't have more murder with those guns is they aren't murdering people by choice"
You've built a scenario in your head that doesn't match reality. Trying to say reality is wrong is just bizarre. Your scenario is wrong.

 

[BULLDOG]

While gun related deaths still happen in England, only an idiot would think their ways of preventing them aren't far superior to ours.

Gun violence rare in U.K. compared to U.S.
The gun homicide rate in England and Wales is about one for every 1 million people, according to the Geneva Declaration of Armed Violence and Development, a multinational organization based in Switzerland.

In a population of 56 million, that adds up to about 50 to 60 gun killings annually. In the USA, by contrast, there are about 160 times as many gun homicides in a country that is roughly six times larger in population. There were 8,124 gun homicides in 2014, according to the latest FBI figures.

They haven't prevented them....their criminals simply don't commit murder as often as our criminals do...what about that do you not understand...they have guns, they use guns, they don't murder with them...yet.....but as link after link shows....they have cut their police, they have hamstrung their police with political correctness, and their young males are becoming more and more violent on top of the fact they are importing violent drug gangs into their country.....

And their gun crime rate is going up...a lot, every single year...how long do you think they can get away with massive gun crime before the bodies start to fall?

Yes, I'm sure it is disappointing for you that their tactics are working, and ours aren't. Poor crazy baby.

All their gun laws didn't lower their murder rate or their crime rate

All their gun laws kept their murder rate extremely low. Only a small fraction of ours.

Just this week a guy walked into a nursery with a hand gun....the only thing that kept him from mass murdering all those children is he didn't want to...he was looking to shoot some other guy...but their gun control laws didn't stop him from murdering those kids with his hand gun....

You really need to start engaging your brain.

You're babbling now.

 

[BULLDOG]

While gun related deaths still happen in England, only an idiot would think their ways of preventing them aren't far superior to ours.

Gun violence rare in U.K. compared to U.S.
The gun homicide rate in England and Wales is about one for every 1 million people, according to the Geneva Declaration of Armed Violence and Development, a multinational organization based in Switzerland.

In a population of 56 million, that adds up to about 50 to 60 gun killings annually. In the USA, by contrast, there are about 160 times as many gun homicides in a country that is roughly six times larger in population. There were 8,124 gun homicides in 2014, according to the latest FBI figures.

They haven't prevented them....their criminals simply don't commit murder as often as our criminals do...what about that do you not understand...they have guns, they use guns, they don't murder with them...yet.....but as link after link shows....they have cut their police, they have hamstrung their police with political correctness, and their young males are becoming more and more violent on top of the fact they are importing violent drug gangs into their country.....

And their gun crime rate is going up...a lot, every single year...how long do you think they can get away with massive gun crime before the bodies start to fall?

Yes, I'm sure it is disappointing for you that their tactics are working, and ours aren't. Poor crazy baby.

All their gun laws didn't lower their murder rate or their crime rate

All their gun laws kept their murder rate extremely low. Only a small fraction of ours.

No it didn't. Their murder rate was lower BEFORE all the gun laws

It's still only a small fraction of ours.

 

[BULLDOG]

While gun related deaths still happen in England, only an idiot would think their ways of preventing them aren't far superior to ours.

Gun violence rare in U.K. compared to U.S.
The gun homicide rate in England and Wales is about one for every 1 million people, according to the Geneva Declaration of Armed Violence and Development, a multinational organization based in Switzerland.

In a population of 56 million, that adds up to about 50 to 60 gun killings annually. In the USA, by contrast, there are about 160 times as many gun homicides in a country that is roughly six times larger in population. There were 8,124 gun homicides in 2014, according to the latest FBI figures.

So now it's just gun related deaths?

I take it all those people murdered by other means don't matter as much.

Out of that 8124 how many were gang related, how many were criminals shooting other criminals how many were committed by a gun owner with no criminal history?

Grab a subject and hang on. Feel free to start a thread about those other things, but this one is about guns.

Actually, this one is a question about where your anti gun beliefs actually lead us.......

And one you still haven't answered.....

Should this woman be able to carry a gun to stop her own rape and murder at the hands of a violent criminal......? Or do you prefer that she be raped and murdered rather than have that gun?

Still with the same disingenuous multi-aspect question. It can't accurately be answered with a Yes/No answer. RWNJs play these games all the time. It's dishonest.

Yes....this question can be answered with a yes/no answer..........Do you think this woman should be able to carry a gun for self defense to stop her own rape and murder. Yes or no? Everything else is unnecessary till that question is answered, and you don't want to answer it because it reveals the truth behind your anti gun extremism. You want this woman to be raped and murdered instead of allowing her to have that gun...because you hate gun owners.

Yep, you're still nuts.

 

[2aguy]

They haven't prevented them....their criminals simply don't commit murder as often as our criminals do...what about that do you not understand...they have guns, they use guns, they don't murder with them...yet.....but as link after link shows....they have cut their police, they have hamstrung their police with political correctness, and their young males are becoming more and more violent on top of the fact they are importing violent drug gangs into their country.....

And their gun crime rate is going up...a lot, every single year...how long do you think they can get away with massive gun crime before the bodies start to fall?

Yes, I'm sure it is disappointing for you that their tactics are working, and ours aren't. Poor crazy baby.

All their gun laws didn't lower their murder rate or their crime rate

All their gun laws kept their murder rate extremely low. Only a small fraction of ours.

guy.....their gun laws aren't stopping criminals...even teenage criminals from getting hand guns...the only reason they don't have more murder with those guns is they aren't murdering people by choice.......yet.

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

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He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

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Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

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Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Think about that absurd remark for a minute
"the only reason they don't have more murder with those guns is they aren't murdering people by choice"
You've built a scenario in your head that doesn't match reality. Trying to say reality is wrong is just bizarre. Your scenario is wrong.

They have more gun crime...the criminals have guns....they are using them to engage in criminal activity they just aren't murdering their victims........crossing that line takes a different, sociopathic mind set........and they are priming their young males to get there...

 

[2aguy]

So now it's just gun related deaths?

I take it all those people murdered by other means don't matter as much.

Out of that 8124 how many were gang related, how many were criminals shooting other criminals how many were committed by a gun owner with no criminal history?

Grab a subject and hang on. Feel free to start a thread about those other things, but this one is about guns.

Actually, this one is a question about where your anti gun beliefs actually lead us.......

And one you still haven't answered.....

Should this woman be able to carry a gun to stop her own rape and murder at the hands of a violent criminal......? Or do you prefer that she be raped and murdered rather than have that gun?

Still with the same disingenuous multi-aspect question. It can't accurately be answered with a Yes/No answer. RWNJs play these games all the time. It's dishonest.

Yes....this question can be answered with a yes/no answer..........Do you think this woman should be able to carry a gun for self defense to stop her own rape and murder. Yes or no? Everything else is unnecessary till that question is answered, and you don't want to answer it because it reveals the truth behind your anti gun extremism. You want this woman to be raped and murdered instead of allowing her to have that gun...because you hate gun owners.

Yep, you're still nuts.

Yep...still haven't answered the main question....you would rather that woman be raped...instead of having a gun to stop it.......got it.

 

[Old Rocks]

In Britain, they have taken guns away from law abiding people.....and now their gun crime rate has gone through the roof, and their violent crimes, like rape....are going through the roof.......

And according to anti gunners here on U.S. message...and everywhere else....it is better that women be raped, and possibly murdered, than that they should have the option of using a concealed or open carried gun to stop that rape......

This woman is in Britain...she got off of a London Bus....and was raped....according to anti gunners, this is better than if she had a gun and used it to drive off, capture, injure or kill her attacker...right?

Since they do not believe anyone should carry a gun, this is the preferred outcome....right?

Young woman raped after getting off late-night bus

London.

The victim, aged in her 20s, had got off the bus and was walking down an alleyway when she was attacked from behind and raped, police said.

The incident happened just after midnight as the woman made her way from Millwood Road to Brantwood Road in St Paul's Cray, Bromley.


DC James White, who leads the investigation, said: "This incident took place in a secluded area, and the attack has left the woman traumatised by her ordeal.

You fucked up asshole, it is people like you that will end up getting us that type of draconian gun control. Those of us that want sane gun control have no problem of a citizen that has no mental problems owning and carrying a legal weapon for defense. War weapons are not needed for personal defense. Nor are weapons with more than a 5 to 10 rounds in the magazine or cylinder. If you cannot take out the miscreant with that many bullets, you should not be packing that weapon.