It always leads to class warfare...

[AmyNation]

Social mobility, down. Unemployment high. Shrinking middle class, growing impoverished class. The countries wealth held predominantly by a small percent. It's the formula of dissent. Now you've got people talking about how the poor don't give enough and take too much.


Im honestly not sure what we as a nation can do to restore our economic balance......

 

[SniperFire]

Social mobility, down. Unemployment high. Shrinking middle class, growing impoverished class. The countries wealth held predominantly by a small percent. It's the formula of descent. Now you've got people talking about how the poor don't give enough and take too much.


Im honestly not sure what we as a nation can do to restore our economic balance......

Well, we can either be like Greece, or roll it back and be more like America before the Progressives took control of our institutions and systems.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Social mobility, down. Unemployment high. Shrinking middle class, growing impoverished class. The countries wealth held predominantly by a small percent. It's the formula of descent. Now you've got people talking about how the poor don't give enough and take too much.


Im honestly not sure what we as a nation can do to restore our economic balance......

Balance does not nor has it ever come from the poor receiving handouts. It always came and will continue to come from hard work and determination.

Safety net for those in dire need and fuck everyone else

 

[AmyNation]

My greatest concern is increasing upward mobility and restoring a strong middle class. We arent 1st or second, or even 5th in that area. If you're born poor in the US, you will most likely die poor and your children will stay poor. It's the loss of the American dream.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

My greatest concern is increasing upward mobility and restoring a strong middle class. We arent 1st or second, or even 5th in that area. If you're born poor in the US, you will most likely die poor and your children will stay poor. It's the loss of the American dream.

If you are poor in america you are likely considered rich in most other countries.

Seriously, give this nonsense a rest. And it IS nonsense. Most of the poor in other countries are lucky to just have a roof over their heads let alone all the luxuries our poor have and are GIVEN

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Don't want to be poor anymore? Get a job. Not enough? Get two or goto trade school when you aren't working.

Lazy fucks

 

[AmyNation]

Gramps, you can't compare poor in the US to poor in say Africa. No the poor aren't dying in he streets, but they are a growing number while the middle class shrinks more and more.

Upward mobility is the American dream, the notion that through hard work you can rise above the station of your parents. We are failing in that area while other nation pass us by. That is not nonsense.

 

[OKTexas]

Social mobility, down. Unemployment high. Shrinking middle class, growing impoverished class. The countries wealth held predominantly by a small percent. It's the formula of descent. Now you've got people talking about how the poor don't give enough and take too much.


Im honestly not sure what we as a nation can do to restore our economic balance......

How about you concentrate on equal opportunity and not equal results. You could give every adult in the country $100.000.00, in 6 months more than half will be broke and complaining about it. We are all the sum of our own decisions.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Gramps, you can't compare poor in the US to poor in say Africa. No the poor aren't dying in he streets, but they are a growing number while the middle class shrinks more and more.

Upward mobility is the American dream, the notion that through hard work you can rise above the station of your parents. We are failing in that area while other nation pass us by. That is not nonsense.

The middle class is shrinking because the economy is shit.
It will bounce back like IT ALWAYS DOES
If you get left behind its your own fault.

 

[AmyNation]

I never mentioned equal results.

I'm talking about the loss of the middle class, which has resulted in higher number of impoverished Americans, and the loss of upward mobility, which is essential to a strong economy.

 

[AmyNation]

Gramps, you can't compare poor in the US to poor in say Africa. No the poor aren't dying in he streets, but they are a growing number while the middle class shrinks more and more.

Upward mobility is the American dream, the notion that through hard work you can rise above the station of your parents. We are failing in that area while other nation pass us by. That is not nonsense.

The middle class is shrinking because the economy is shit.
It will bounce back like IT ALWAYS DOES
If you get left behind its your own fault.

We've been headed here for years, since the dot com bubble at least.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Gramps, you can't compare poor in the US to poor in say Africa. No the poor aren't dying in he streets, but they are a growing number while the middle class shrinks more and more.

Upward mobility is the American dream, the notion that through hard work you can rise above the station of your parents. We are failing in that area while other nation pass us by. That is not nonsense.

You ended your own thread right there.

I was a ward of the state as a child. 3 years in the pen. Then put myself through college and two trade schools. I now make plenty of money. Some years better than others but mostly determined by my own drive. The crash withstanding

 

[SniperFire]

Social mobility, down. Unemployment high. Shrinking middle class, growing impoverished class. The countries wealth held predominantly by a small percent. It's the formula of descent. Now you've got people talking about how the poor don't give enough and take too much.


Im honestly not sure what we as a nation can do to restore our economic balance......

How about you concentrate on equal opportunity and not equal results. You could give every adult in the country $100.000.00, in 6 months more than half will be broke and complaining about it. We are all the sum of our own decisions.

This is it.

Equal opportunity does not mean equal outcome.

Using force of government for social justice will fail, guaranteed.

 

[AmyNation]

Gramps, you can't compare poor in the US to poor in say Africa. No the poor aren't dying in he streets, but they are a growing number while the middle class shrinks more and more.

Upward mobility is the American dream, the notion that through hard work you can rise above the station of your parents. We are failing in that area while other nation pass us by. That is not nonsense.

You ended your own thread right there.

I was a ward of the state as a child. 3 years in the pen. Then put myself through college and two trade schools. I now make plenty of money. Some years better than others but mostly determined by my own drive. The crash withstanding

And you are the exception. We have some of the worst upward mobility when you look at comparable nations.

You should be able to work hard and achieve in the US, however study after study shows that we are failing more and more at that.

 

[Lumpy 1]

When I started my working career jobs were plentiful, you could quit a job one day and be offered one the next day..

So the simple answer is jobs, jobs, jobs which forces employers to compete and the result is upward mobility..

 

[OKTexas]

I never mentioned equal results.

I'm talking about the loss of the middle class, which has resulted in higher number of impoverished Americans, and the loss of upward mobility, which is essential to a strong economy.

If you think the opportunity for upward mobility no longer exist, then you are delusional, it will always be there for the few willing to bet everything they have on a good idea, is it a little tougher now, you bet, it has never been for the weak of heart. You'll never be able to achieve the American dream working for someone else, you may make it for them, but you will always be limited.

 

[AmyNation]

Social mobility, down. Unemployment high. Shrinking middle class, growing impoverished class. The countries wealth held predominantly by a small percent. It's the formula of descent. Now you've got people talking about how the poor don't give enough and take too much.


Im honestly not sure what we as a nation can do to restore our economic balance......

How about you concentrate on equal opportunity and not equal results. You could give every adult in the country $100.000.00, in 6 months more than half will be broke and complaining about it. We are all the sum of our own decisions.

This is it.

Equal opportunity does not mean equal outcome.

Using force of government for social justice will fail, guaranteed.

I'm not talking about increasing welfare. This thread isn't about forced help of the poor. I'm talking about a lack of upward mobility and what are we doing wrong and what are all those other countries doing right.

 

[SniperFire]

How about you concentrate on equal opportunity and not equal results. You could give every adult in the country $100.000.00, in 6 months more than half will be broke and complaining about it. We are all the sum of our own decisions.

This is it.

Equal opportunity does not mean equal outcome.

Using force of government for social justice will fail, guaranteed.

I'm not talking about increasing welfare. This thread isn't about forced help of the poor. I'm talking about a lack of upward mobility and what are we doing wrong and what are all those other countries doing right.

But isn't upward mobility the first thing to go in socialist society?

This is what happens when you try and force equal outcome.

 

[AmyNation]

Social mobility, down. Unemployment high. Shrinking middle class, growing impoverished class. The countries wealth held predominantly by a small percent. It's the formula of descent. Now you've got people talking about how the poor don't give enough and take too much.


Im honestly not sure what we as a nation can do to restore our economic balance......

How about you concentrate on equal opportunity and not equal results. You could give every adult in the country $100.000.00, in 6 months more than half will be broke and complaining about it. We are all the sum of our own decisions.

This is it.

Equal opportunity does not mean equal outcome.

Using force of government for social justice will fail, guaranteed.

I never mentioned equal results.

I'm talking about the loss of the middle class, which has resulted in higher number of impoverished Americans, and the loss of upward mobility, which is essential to a strong economy.

If you think the opportunity for upward mobility no longer exist, then you are delusional, it will always be there for the few willing to bet everything they have on a good idea, is it a little tougher now, you bet, it has never been for the weak of heart. You'll never be able to achieve the American dream working for someone else, you may make it for them, but you will always be limited.

Is it gone? No.

However it's nowhere near what it should be.

"Several studies have been made comparing social mobility between developed countries. One such study (“Do Poor Children Become Poor Adults?")[5][15][16] found that of nine developed countries, the United States and United Kingdom had the lowest intergenerational vertical social mobility"
Social mobility - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Main article: Socio-economic mobility in the United States
At least five large studies in recent years have found that vertical inter-generational mobility is lower in America than in comparable nations, belief in America as a land of opportunity not withstanding.[10]"

 

[syrenn]

My greatest concern is increasing upward mobility and restoring a strong middle class. We arent 1st or second, or even 5th in that area. If you're born poor in the US, you will most likely die poor and your children will stay poor. It's the loss of the American dream.

and with that mentality.... oh poor is me...i was born poor..... just give me my entitlements im poor.

no wonder they stay poor.

The american dream was working hard....and trying to better your life.