Israeli terrorism.

[ashrob]

i guess the consensus here thinks that when the israeli military kills women and children or destroys homes before they even allow the family to get out, this is not a form of terror, huh.

wow, i swear i don't understand that thinking, i understand that killing innocent israeli are wrong, but at least i don't pick sides, the israeli are hardly innocent and i guess the palestinians are the only people in the world the states won't step in and defend their human rights. that is so sad to me. their are alot of innocent people dying and alot of the guilty were forced into the guilt because of events that happened in their life and were faced with no other options.

again, israel is just as guilty, every time israel kills their leaders, it feeds their hatred and breeds more violence, it accomplished nothing positive for anybody, but it is ok, i guess.

if they can kill them at will, they can arrest them and force them to trial

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by ashrob
i guess the consensus here thinks that when the israeli military kills women and children or destroys homes before they even allow the family to get out, this is not a form of terror, huh.

As shown, YOU refuse to acknowledge palestinians are terrorists taking over a nation that isn't theirs and won't leave when allowed.

Why do you not believe this?

You are mulim. Proven again. Also, you only look at muslim promotional propaganda sites for your information and claim it the only place America should look while ignoring all other information INCLUDING the koran, saudi arabia, or other muslims IN AMERICA.

wow, i swear i don't understand that thinking, i understand that killing innocent israeli are wrong, but at least i don't pick sides,

Stop lying. We have 2 threads and 30 of your posts proving otherwise.

the israeli are hardly innocent and i guess the palestinians are the only people in the world the states won't step in and defend their human rights. that is so sad to me.

Yeah. Sad we won't let palestinians conquer by sword the last remaining resisting frontier on Earth isn't it?

I know you want us to give to the palestinians everything we have so we can be economically decimated, but isn't the allowing of islam the position of taking over the American judicial system by way of Canadian and EU influence and the suspension of the Bill of Rights for non-muslims good enough for you?

Thats right....WORLD domination......I am sure glad you guys aren't terrorists and are innocent victims. I sure hope we never bar you from a place to worship since you claim the right to war against a nation for that alone.

their are alot of innocent people dying and alot of the guilty were forced into the guilt because of events that happened in their life and were faced with no other options.

Yeah, having their feet nailed to the ground makes it tough to leave.

again, israel is just as guilty, every time israel kills their leaders, it feeds their hatred and breeds more violence, it accomplished nothing positive for anybody, but it is ok, i guess.

It does nothing positive, because like roaches, these terrorist insurgents keep trying to overthrow a nation that is not theirs. Get a clue.

if they can kill them at will, they can arrest them and force them to trial

Rightfully so. Leave or face justice which may include death.

Terrorists and war criminals deserve no less. You are lucky our spineless politicians are socialist enough to not look at things that way. They allow you to take over our nation because they pander to you. They take away MY ability to Constitutionally defend myself against tyranny and foreign invaders, and give YOU the freedom of religion to broadcast by megaphone over public neighborhoods a prayer call to help incite more terrorism while protecting your faith as "peaceful" and "good" all the while removing all Christian elements from society such as the 10 commandments from being displayed in the very courtrooms using it as a model.

WHEN, not "if", they take away all of my rights, and you are able to legally ACT as a terrorist, don't get seen in my neighborhood.

You won't last long.

 

[nbdysfu]

originally posted by ashrop
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Originally posted by NewGuy
Nice. You justify taking over a nation in the fact you should be allowed in to worship?

Now who is ignorant?
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Dude, why the hell do you think the jews did to palestine for the same reason. dude you are a stupid fool, you really need to stop with this argument. you are really embarrassing yourself. i have given some facts and examples in my original posts and you don't refute any of them. i have asked for your facts and all you do is resort to name callilng. LOL. thanks, you are so keeping my laughing.

Um, dude, my protestant grandmother just called and says she wants the Hagia Sophia turned back into a church and she says the bleaguered christians of constantinople should have a right of return against the evil Istanbul mullahs.

Oh wait. no, my grandmother would never say that. She not a crazy person infected by hate propaganda like you. : The al aqsa mosque and the dome of the rock are both open to worship, atop the ruined foundations of the wall of the temple. The Hagia Sofia was once used as a mosque, but right now its a slowly decaying museum.

 

[etoile]

Palestinian Arabs have, until the establishment of Israel, abhorred being called thus. The iditentity of "Palestinians" belonged to Jews ever since the Romans named the region Palestine.
Even assuming that Palestinian Arabs are an age-old identity, your claim is not true because Judaism existed long before Islam. Unless you suggest that the modern Palestinians are all converted Jews, you err.

 

[Mustafa]

Originally posted by etoile

The following is the way the world treats the Jews of Israel and the world.

A guy in Paris saw a pit bull attacking a toddler.

He killed the pit bull and saved the child's life.

Reporters swarmed the fellow.

"Tell us! What's your name? All Paris will love you! Tomorrow's headline will be: : "Paris Hero Saves Girl from Vicious Dog!"

The guy says, "But I'm not from Paris.

"Reporters: "That's OK. Then the whole of France will love you and tomorrow's headline will read: 'French Hero Saves Girl from Vicious Dog!'"

The guy says, "I'm not from France, either."

Reporters: "That's OK also. All Europe will love you. Tomorrow's headlines will read 'European Hero Saves Girl from Vicious Dog!'"

The guy says, "I'm not from Europe, either.

"Reporters: "So, where ARE you from?

The guy says, "I'm from Israel.

"Reporters: "OK. Then tomorrow's headlines will proclaim to the world: '''Israeli Kills Girl's Dog!'"

 

[Mustafa]

Originally posted by ashrob

i guess the consensus here thinks that when the israeli military kills women and children or destroys homes before they even allow the family to get out, this is not a form of terror, huh.

Assrob if only your fable were true. It would be poetic justice if the IDF were to kill the Muclim Arab who are also soldiers of men, women and children who live only to die killing the Jews.

The IDF would be doing a righteous deed by toppling structures on the Arabs who occupy Israel's holy soil.

May Allah always have a resting place on his museum shelf in Cairo Egypt.

 

[etoile]

In reply to Mustafa:
yes.
Media portrayal of ISrael is very biased.
For instance, if there is a suicide bombing and ISrael retaliates, you will see an article of this sort in, say, the Jerusalem Post:
SUICIDE BOMBER IN JERUSALEM CAFE KILLS 10
This morning, a suicide bomber entered, unnoticed, into the popular __name_ Cafe on ___name__ street and detonated explosives that were estimated to weigh approxiamtely 10 kg. The blast shattered all the windows in nearby buildings and caused the roof of one to collapse. A total of 10 people were killed, and 20 injured, 13 in critical condition at the local hospital. The bomb, police say, was stocked with extra nails to cripple survivors. Indeed, it worked; 6 victims will never be the same again.
The government retaliated in the afternoon, attacking a Hamas base found through an informant with rockets, killing 4 Palestinian gunmen and a senior Hamas official.
US Congress condemned the attack and once again affirmed Israel's right to defend himself, while UN secretary general Cofi Annan called for cessation of hostilities and a ceasefire. While condemning the attack, the government of France strongly urged Israel not to retaliate so quickly again.
An article you will see in, say, Reuters:
ISRAELI ROCKETS KILL 5 PALESTINIANS.
Today in the afternoon, Israeli rockets killed 4 Palestinian gunmen and one senior official of the militant group Hamas at their base in Gaza. Several others were severely wounded. French government officials denounced the attack on the Palestinian base and UN secretery general Cofi Annan urged a cease-fire agreement to be reached between the IDF and Hamas and other militant groups.
The attack was made in quick retaliation to a suicide bombing that happened in a Jerusalem cafe this morning, killing 10 and wounding 20. US Congress strongly condemned the attack. Israeli officials were unavailable for comment, but another senior Hamas official said: "Israel has no right to exist. We will fight until Israel is pushed into the sea and avenge the death of ___name of dead Hamas official__."

The same facts. Compare sympathies.
Note: these are hypothetical, not actual articles. But sampling real ones won't be much better.

 

[Annie]

So supply the links to the 'real articles', we'd like dates, sources, etc.

 

[etoile]

Well, there are many.

Since I am unbearably lazy, I will simply give a link to a page where all this is explored.

www.honestreporting.com

explores media bias against Israel. As a definate example I can definately cite without hesitation, one that I do not need to research for (once again, I'm lazy), is pretty old, but definitive: New York Times, Sept. 30, 2000. There was a photo of a bloodied man and an Israeli soldier running towards him, wielding a club. This was a picture of a Jewish young man beaten by a Palestinian mob and an Israeli police officer running at the mob behind him. The caption that appeared under the picture, however, stated that the bloodied man was a Palestinian with an Israeli soldier attacking him. The caption was also inaccurate about the location of the event, saying that it was on Temple Mount- though it happened elsewhere. The ironic thing is, scouring several pro-Palestinian websites and websites of Arab governments, I saw that they use this same picture as a symbol of "Israeli terror" against Palestinians.

Here's another example: Reuters, January 28, 2004, forgetting to mention that a suicide bomber was also a Palestinian Authority police officer (not that we need to know that!).

or consider a shot made by Enric Marti of the Associated Press on February 7, 2004. It depicts not the usual scene of Palestinian suffering, but several reporters setting up this scene. Hmmm. As I said, you can browse around Honestreporting.com for more.

 

[Annie]

I subscribe to Honest Reporting. I agree with your assessment, but it's important that when using sources you name them. That gives all an opportunity to assess.

 

[Mustafa]

Originally posted by ashrob

perhaps, you didn't realize the jews were run out of their land by the roman empire and never returned as a country until the british forced upon palestine to allow the jews to return after world war II

Interesting observation indeed. According to you ALL the Jews were run out of their land by the Roman Empire and NEVER returned as a country.

Then you say that the British forced the Jews to return after World War II.

While the reality is that not one word of your observation is true and it was the Jews who forced the British out of the land of the Jewish people. Now Israel is an independent Jewish State and if you sons of the moon-god Allah want it back, you are going to have to take it by force of arms.

Otherwise, right now Israel is owned by the people of the land.

Get your brother Muslim Arabs around the world to help you take it back. The odds are about 1.3 billion Arabs to 5 or so million Jews in their own homeland. If everything happens by your moon-god Allah's will, why does he allow those infidel Jews to occupy his property? Maybe he is busy screwing little boys.

Take a look at your moon-god Allah found in the deserts of Hazor.

I guess those odds are too great for those who who would rather become Shahidas (martrys) for Allah.

 

[ashrob]

i have been reading all these attacks against me, calling me muslim and other things, also accusing me of defending arab terrorism. i have never defended any terrorism. from either side. the killing of women and children and anyone who does not have anything to do with anything this is wrong.

again, i am asking anyone how you can twist and turn the fact that an israeli sniper shot and killed a 13 year old boy and his 16 year old sister while they were feeding pigeons and hanging laundry out to dry. what, his gun mis-fired or he thought he saw a gun. or what about when the 7 or 8 year old kids are gunned down for throwing rocks at a fucking army tank. these incidents are murderous, but you never hear about that side of the stories from american media. my question is why. as an american, there is not one act of terrorism against israel that does not get reported. why don't the US media cover it when a 21 year old american female human rights activists gets run over by an army bulldozer twice for attempting to be a human shield or what about the american journalist who was taking pictures of a bulldozer destroying an old ladies home with her standing outside pleading not to, this american journalist was killed for taking this picture. where is the outrage by americans for this kind of behavior. if it were al qaeda, who i am also against of course, the whole world would know al qaeda murdered this woman, but since the israeli government murdered her, it is ok.

my question is why the double standard? And also, why is it that when I am only saying there is israeli terrorism going on, I get attacked and called a terrorist myself. i have seen with my own eyes a video of the small kids throwing rocks and getting shot to deat by an army tank not 30 yards away. the israeli military knew that these were kids and knew they only were throwing rocks(how could you not tell it was kids and they were only throwing rocks), it was as plain to see as a billy goat's ass in a pea field. those rocks were absolutely no threat to that army tank. don't tell me it was self defense. why don't we see that same footage in america? Israeli Terrorist Censorship that is why

Everyone needs to remember, i am against all forms of terror, including israeli. this is my point and if you will read back i have never defending terror at all. i do feel sympathy for the palestinian people because they have had their lands and homes stolen by the jews(SHOCKING THAT JEWS WOULD DO SUCH A THING, I KNOW. BEING IT IS THE FIRST THING THEY HAVE EVER STOLEN OR LIED ABOUT, LOLOLOL) boy that will piss some folks off, but you wouldn't be getting mad if you knew it to be a lie.

LOLOLOL

 

[ashrob]

imagine a pro israeli news source with this information of israeli defense forces place booby trap near a school and kills 5 kids, what the fuck. all this technology israel has and they place booby traps near schoolyards.
http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast/11/26/palestinian.children.deaths/index.html

oh, yeah, there is nothing wrong in this story.

 

[NewGuy]

The end result, stupid, is they are terrorists trying to take over Irael when it doesn't belong to them. They are lucky to have a heartbeat at all.

Explaining the reality of all of the detailed issues you represent here is mental masturbation for the underaged.

Go sob-story someone else.

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by ashrob
imagine a pro israeli news source with this information of israeli defense forces place booby trap near a school and kills 5 kids, what the fuck. all this technology israel has and they place booby traps near schoolyards.
http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast/11/26/palestinian.children.deaths/index.html

oh, yeah, there is nothing wrong in this story.

All the technology Palestinians have and they can't keep from sending 7 year olds to carry bombs.

Dude, just shut up.

 

[ashrob]

or i know...

how about a 36 year old israeli killing kicking and beating an 11 year old boy to death and meerly got community service and fine in jewish court.

http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast/01/22/korman.court/index.html

LOL

these aren't neutral sites, mind you. this is CNN hardly pro arab anything.

I tell you guys what, if cnn is not good enough. tell me some of your newspapers to read, please. if they are reputable at all they will have something about something. you may not want to know the truth, but see. i want to read as much as i can about both sides. the jews are just as guilty as anybody else. well, i take that back. the palestinians never came and stole their land away from the jews. so i guess the jews are one up on them.

 

[ashrob]

this was listed under fox news websearch

another palestinian boy gets killed by sniper fire while playing.

http://www.rense.com/general52/14.htm

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by ashrob

you may not want to know the truth, but see. i want to read as much as i can about both sides. the jews are just as guilty as anybody else. well, i take that back. the palestinians never came and stole their land away from the jews. so i guess the jews are one up on them.

The palestinians have been TRYING to for thousands of years.

You are starting to remind me of a rash. -Not quite seriously agitating, but yet stupid enough to irritate.

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by ashrob
this was listed under fox news websearch

another palestinian boy gets killed by sniper fire while playing.

http://www.rense.com/general52/14.htm

Why didn't you hijack an American airliner and fly him out then since he is a war zone on the side of the antagonist terrorists?

 

[ashrob]

http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=5ba4258d11291c19

and another boy killed for throwing a fucking rock at a damn israeli army tank in palestinian territory.

where is the international outrage, oops, oh yeah we have to tip toe around the jews because of the holocaust, fuck that bullshit, man.

i wonder if the jews have ever sat and wondered why nobody else in the history of the world trusts or likes you.

hmmmmmmmmm, LOL