Israeli Police shoot un-armed 18 year old Girl

[Challenger]

"According to Joseph Stalin's national policy, each of the national groups that formed the Soviet Union would receive a territory in which to pursue cultural autonomy in a socialist framework. In that sense, it also responded to two supposed threats to the Soviet state:

Judaism, which ran counter to official state policy of atheism
Zionism — the advocacy of a Jewish national state in Palestine — which countered Soviet views of nationalism.

The Soviets envisaged setting up a new "Soviet Zion", where a proletarian Jewish culture could be developed. Yiddish, rather than Hebrew, would be the national language, and literature and the arts would replace religion as the primary expression of culture.

Stalin's theory on the National Question regarded a group as a nation only if it had a territory, and since there was no Jewish territory, per se, the Jews were not a nation and did not have national rights. Jewish Communists argued that the way to solve this ideological dilemma was by creating a Jewish territory, hence the ideological motivation for the Jewish Autonomous Oblast. Politically, it was also considered desirable to create a Soviet Jewish homeland as an ideological alternative to Zionism and the theory put forward by Socialist Zionists such as Ber Borochov that the Jewish Question could be resolved by creating a Jewish territory in Palestine. Thus Birobidzhan was important for propaganda purposes as an argument against Zionism which was a rival ideology to Marxism among left-wing Jews." Jewish Autonomous Oblast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe so, but it was still a valid "homeland". Just think, if those millions of Jewish Poles and Byelorussians had moved there before June 1941, they'd all be alive and well now and there'd be no need to colonise Palestine.

You forgot to ask the people themselves if they considered it 'valid' at all in a state that persecuted Jews for celebrating their holidays.

And You of course conveniently forget the Arab pogroms and the Jewish mass exodus from those countries as well.

They'd have been able to celebrate their holidays just fine in their own Oblast, as the extract says.

Well the survivors of WW2 wanted to go anywhere but Palestine, their country of choice was America, but President Truman, at Zionist urging, wouldn't let them in.

I've not forgotten anything. What happened with the Jewish populations in the Muslim world was as a direct result of Zionist ethic cleansing, along with a few clandestine Zionist operations designed to frighten Jewish populations in Muslim countries into leaving, but that wasn't at all relevant so I never mentioned it.

History shows that you are just belching taqiyya. Revulsion for Jews and Christians is a central theme in muhammedan doctrine.

If you study islam’s history of war, conquest, rapine and colonialism, you will find that islamism only coexisted with other religions / cultures when those were subordinate to Islamism.

Islamic doctrine entails the striving in the way of muhammud (swish), and the politico-religious ideology he invented and incorporating an armed and violent conflict against the infidel so as to establish muhammuds religion everywhere, as well as a spiritual conflict, within ones self — a holy, central and an obligatory duty in Islamic doctrine. The core precept of Islamic dogma is to make muhammud's (swish) religion reign supreme over all men, and the fact is, that just won't happen peacefully.

Islam has never taught equality as it relates to moslems and non-moslems. At no time in islamist history have Muhammedans equated non-Moslems as equals. In fact, you should understand the dhimmi status.

How about some links to support you anti-Islamic outbursts?

How about you do your homework.

Perform a search using the term "dhimmi". Report back to us what you find. Or, because you're a laggard and a layabout, I can give you the information you're ignorant of.

If you are that bothered, also look up Bat Ye'or, the mother of Dhimmitude.

Bat Ye’or: Anti-Muslim Loon with a Crazy Conspiracy Theory Named “Eurabia”

 

[Hollie]

Stalin did it, now it's only 4,000 people in one city and a village.
Nothing to do with a Jewish homeland.

but You can say so about any foreign citizen and especially the arab-msulim refugees.

"According to Joseph Stalin's national policy, each of the national groups that formed the Soviet Union would receive a territory in which to pursue cultural autonomy in a socialist framework. In that sense, it also responded to two supposed threats to the Soviet state:

Judaism, which ran counter to official state policy of atheism
Zionism — the advocacy of a Jewish national state in Palestine — which countered Soviet views of nationalism.

The Soviets envisaged setting up a new "Soviet Zion", where a proletarian Jewish culture could be developed. Yiddish, rather than Hebrew, would be the national language, and literature and the arts would replace religion as the primary expression of culture.

Stalin's theory on the National Question regarded a group as a nation only if it had a territory, and since there was no Jewish territory, per se, the Jews were not a nation and did not have national rights. Jewish Communists argued that the way to solve this ideological dilemma was by creating a Jewish territory, hence the ideological motivation for the Jewish Autonomous Oblast. Politically, it was also considered desirable to create a Soviet Jewish homeland as an ideological alternative to Zionism and the theory put forward by Socialist Zionists such as Ber Borochov that the Jewish Question could be resolved by creating a Jewish territory in Palestine. Thus Birobidzhan was important for propaganda purposes as an argument against Zionism which was a rival ideology to Marxism among left-wing Jews." Jewish Autonomous Oblast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe so, but it was still a valid "homeland". Just think, if those millions of Jewish Poles and Byelorussians had moved there before June 1941, they'd all be alive and well now and there'd be no need to colonise Palestine.

You forgot to ask the people themselves if they considered it 'valid' at all in a state that persecuted Jews for celebrating their holidays.

And You of course conveniently forget the Arab pogroms and the Jewish mass exodus from those countries as well.

They'd have been able to celebrate their holidays just fine in their own Oblast, as the extract says.

Well the survivors of WW2 wanted to go anywhere but Palestine, their country of choice was America, but President Truman, at Zionist urging, wouldn't let them in.

I've not forgotten anything. What happened with the Jewish populations in the Muslim world was as a direct result of Zionist ethic cleansing, along with a few clandestine Zionist operations designed to frighten Jewish populations in Muslim countries into leaving, but that wasn't at all relevant so I never mentioned it.

History shows that you are just belching taqiyya. Revulsion for Jews and Christians is a central theme in muhammedan doctrine.

If you study islam’s history of war, conquest, rapine and colonialism, you will find that islamism only coexisted with other religions / cultures when those were subordinate to Islamism.

Islamic doctrine entails the striving in the way of muhammud (swish), and the politico-religious ideology he invented and incorporating an armed and violent conflict against the infidel so as to establish muhammuds religion everywhere, as well as a spiritual conflict, within ones self — a holy, central and an obligatory duty in Islamic doctrine. The core precept of Islamic dogma is to make muhammud's (swish) religion reign supreme over all men, and the fact is, that just won't happen peacefully.

Islam has never taught equality as it relates to moslems and non-moslems. At no time in islamist history have Muhammedans equated non-Moslems as equals. In fact, you should understand the dhimmi status.

Firstly, you have no idea what Taqiyya is, nor of its roots in Judaism. Secondly, had you studied Islamic history, you would discover that the overwhelming majority of Muslims today are the descendants of voluntary converts brought about by Islamic missionaries rather than by force and conquest. Islam spread over centuries via trade routes, like most ideas. Thirdly you continually deliberately confuse and conflate Islam with Radical Islamism. Lastly every monotheistic religion preaches its own supremacy compared to others, be it Christianity, Islam, or Judaism.

All in all, this is just another hollow Islamophobic rant from Hollie.

Taqiya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Islamic missionary activity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

..and a rare, reasonably accurate, article from Daniel Pipes

Distinguishing between Islam and Islamism.

and lastly,

Religion 101: "My God is Bigger/Better than Yours!"

Firstly, I prefer wannabes like you, the openly hostile, whacked out Islamocrats that we in West label as "extremist," or "radical" because we know where they stand. They're really just devout Muhammedans who minimally employ taqiyya and abide by what is proclaimed in the korans and sunnah. I'd just rather deal with unapologetic whackjobs like you than the so called "moderate" who ends up with the ”I can't believe he'd do this!”, ”He was such a peaceful muhammedan”,self serving eulogy after murdering some infidels. The former make themselves easier to identify and imprison before they get their jihad rolling within our borders.

Secondly, if you had done your homework, you would have taken noticed that in an environment where islamism is mandated by law, where the social and political constructs are Islamic to the exclusion of other religions and where there is societal exclusion for not embracing islamism and those not embracing the state religion are ostracized, it’s pretty easy to understand that compulsion is the weapon of choice for forced religion. Whether you will admit it or not, there clearly is compulsion in religion when the societal structure does not allow competing religions such as in nations / societies under the bootheel of muhammedan'ism.

Thirdly, you continually offer excuses for islamist fascism. Honestly, it’s a shame that goofy wannabes have such little experience with the reality of the islamist ideology they drone on about. I’m sure that’s largely a function of wannabes living and exploiting the advantages of Western societies which has sheltered such wannabes from direct experience with the very ideology they have such little practical knowledge of. I’m afraid that the insensate Jew hatred which is such a part of islamist ideology is not going to suffice as an excuse for the failure of the islamist calipha. That failure is the result of islamist fascism and the inevitable failure of theocratic totalitariansm as a model of governance.

Lastly, Christianity and Judaism, as we know, met with reform and enlightenment. In short, they grew up and became a positive force for civilization and progress worldwide. In fact, they were both instrumental in shaping social climate which fostered the freedoms, science, and prosperity of Western civilization. I cringe at the notion of Christianity and Judaism never having undergone a reformation. Today there are many different sects and subdivisions of Christianity and Judaism and with a nod to the founding vision of Martin Luther (Christianity), during the sixteenth century, those incarnations of the Christian faith (and similarly the Jewish faith), manage to avoid warfare with each other. In fact, they have managed to coexist and flourish within the embrace of secular governance. That flexibility is even alluded to in the Gospels: "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's." —Matthew 22:21.

 

[Hollie]

You forgot to ask the people themselves if they considered it 'valid' at all in a state that persecuted Jews for celebrating their holidays.

And You of course conveniently forget the Arab pogroms and the Jewish mass exodus from those countries as well.

They'd have been able to celebrate their holidays just fine in their own Oblast, as the extract says.

Well the survivors of WW2 wanted to go anywhere but Palestine, their country of choice was America, but President Truman, at Zionist urging, wouldn't let them in.

I've not forgotten anything. What happened with the Jewish populations in the Muslim world was as a direct result of Zionist ethic cleansing, along with a few clandestine Zionist operations designed to frighten Jewish populations in Muslim countries into leaving, but that wasn't at all relevant so I never mentioned it.

History shows that you are just belching taqiyya. Revulsion for Jews and Christians is a central theme in muhammedan doctrine.

If you study islam’s history of war, conquest, rapine and colonialism, you will find that islamism only coexisted with other religions / cultures when those were subordinate to Islamism.

Islamic doctrine entails the striving in the way of muhammud (swish), and the politico-religious ideology he invented and incorporating an armed and violent conflict against the infidel so as to establish muhammuds religion everywhere, as well as a spiritual conflict, within ones self — a holy, central and an obligatory duty in Islamic doctrine. The core precept of Islamic dogma is to make muhammud's (swish) religion reign supreme over all men, and the fact is, that just won't happen peacefully.

Islam has never taught equality as it relates to moslems and non-moslems. At no time in islamist history have Muhammedans equated non-Moslems as equals. In fact, you should understand the dhimmi status.

How about some links to support you anti-Islamic outbursts?

How about you do your homework.

Perform a search using the term "dhimmi". Report back to us what you find. Or, because you're a laggard and a layabout, I can give you the information you're ignorant of.

If you are that bothered, also look up Bat Ye'or, the mother of Dhimmitude.

Bat Ye’or: Anti-Muslim Loon with a Crazy Conspiracy Theory Named “Eurabia”

Because you are in thrall to islamist fascism, you might want to review the goals of your heroes ISIS.

In terms of the muhammedan world, this fact is still true – Wahabbism / Salafism / islamo-fascism is more favored today in the Middle East than it was 50 or 100 years ago, especially with the surge in popularity of Al Qaeda prior to the 2nd Iraq war. Strange (well not really - not considering the muhammedan mindset when muhammedans are the most frequent victims of muhammedann ideology). On the other hand, many of the goals and methods of Wahabbism / Salafism / islamo-fascism including the establishment of a worldwide caliphate and the justification of violence against infidels, are more accepted among Middle Easterners than they used to be. Though these ideas have always been a part of muhammedan doctrine, they had mostly been abandoned as impracticable in the dominion of the Persian monarchy in the 19th century. That such a radical return to the past is possible only highlights the extreme retrogression of muhammedan'ism. In fact, the most prominent symbol of modern-day Islamism, the burqa, is only a product of the 1970s. In many ways, as Mark Steyn and others have pointed out, the “reform” of Islamism has already taken place, and Wahabbism / Salafism / islamo-fascism is it.

 

[docmauser1]

Bat Ye’or: Anti-Muslim Loon with a Crazy Conspiracy Theory Named “Eurabia”

Oh, euros are having eurabia right now, of course. But we won't mention that lest we hurt arab-muslim sensitivities, will we?

 

[docmauser1]

Yes and the majority just happen to islamic invasions, but nice of you to admit that the arab muslims are illegal immigrants in Palestine and have no legal right to be there.

They have more right to be there than European Jews.[/QUOTE]According to the tenets of arab-muslim supremacism, of course, there and anywhere.

 

[docmauser1]

History proves otherwise. Stop fangering yourself.

Archaeology proves otherwise, "history" based on Bible/Torah stories, is myth.

Funny, palistanians don't buy that contention, destroying every artefact they can lay their hands on. hehe

 

[Phoenall]

Oh Yes it is!

No more so than say the nation of Palestine, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon. America, France, Germany et al

Exactly....

Just man-made borders and boundaries...

All invaded/stolen lands from the indigenous peoples by invaders!

Touche Phoney!

Yes and the majority just happen to islamic invasions, but nice of you to admit that the arab muslims are illegal immigrants in Palestine and have no legal right to be there.

They have more right to be there than European Jews.

Do they really, so since when have illegal immigrants had more rights than sovereign rulers ? We are not talking tower hamlets here that Labour gave to the muslims you know

 

[Phoenall]

Stalin did it, now it's only 4,000 people in one city and a village.
Nothing to do with a Jewish homeland.

but You can say so about any foreign citizen and especially the arab-msulim refugees.

"According to Joseph Stalin's national policy, each of the national groups that formed the Soviet Union would receive a territory in which to pursue cultural autonomy in a socialist framework. In that sense, it also responded to two supposed threats to the Soviet state:

Judaism, which ran counter to official state policy of atheism
Zionism — the advocacy of a Jewish national state in Palestine — which countered Soviet views of nationalism.

The Soviets envisaged setting up a new "Soviet Zion", where a proletarian Jewish culture could be developed. Yiddish, rather than Hebrew, would be the national language, and literature and the arts would replace religion as the primary expression of culture.

Stalin's theory on the National Question regarded a group as a nation only if it had a territory, and since there was no Jewish territory, per se, the Jews were not a nation and did not have national rights. Jewish Communists argued that the way to solve this ideological dilemma was by creating a Jewish territory, hence the ideological motivation for the Jewish Autonomous Oblast. Politically, it was also considered desirable to create a Soviet Jewish homeland as an ideological alternative to Zionism and the theory put forward by Socialist Zionists such as Ber Borochov that the Jewish Question could be resolved by creating a Jewish territory in Palestine. Thus Birobidzhan was important for propaganda purposes as an argument against Zionism which was a rival ideology to Marxism among left-wing Jews." Jewish Autonomous Oblast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe so, but it was still a valid "homeland". Just think, if those millions of Jewish Poles and Byelorussians had moved there before June 1941, they'd all be alive and well now and there'd be no need to colonise Palestine.

You forgot to ask the people themselves if they considered it 'valid' at all in a state that persecuted Jews for celebrating their holidays.

And You of course conveniently forget the Arab pogroms and the Jewish mass exodus from those countries as well.

They'd have been able to celebrate their holidays just fine in their own Oblast, as the extract says.

Well the survivors of WW2 wanted to go anywhere but Palestine, their country of choice was America, but President Truman, at Zionist urging, wouldn't let them in.

I've not forgotten anything. What happened with the Jewish populations in the Muslim world was as a direct result of Zionist ethic cleansing, along with a few clandestine Zionist operations designed to frighten Jewish populations in Muslim countries into leaving, but that wasn't at all relevant so I never mentioned it.

History shows that you are just belching taqiyya. Revulsion for Jews and Christians is a central theme in muhammedan doctrine.

If you study islam’s history of war, conquest, rapine and colonialism, you will find that islamism only coexisted with other religions / cultures when those were subordinate to Islamism.

Islamic doctrine entails the striving in the way of muhammud (swish), and the politico-religious ideology he invented and incorporating an armed and violent conflict against the infidel so as to establish muhammuds religion everywhere, as well as a spiritual conflict, within ones self — a holy, central and an obligatory duty in Islamic doctrine. The core precept of Islamic dogma is to make muhammud's (swish) religion reign supreme over all men, and the fact is, that just won't happen peacefully.

Islam has never taught equality as it relates to moslems and non-moslems. At no time in islamist history have Muhammedans equated non-Moslems as equals. In fact, you should understand the dhimmi status.

Firstly, you have no idea what Taqiyya is, nor of its roots in Judaism. Secondly, had you studied Islamic history, you would discover that the overwhelming majority of Muslims today are the descendants of voluntary converts brought about by Islamic missionaries rather than by force and conquest. Islam spread over centuries via trade routes, like most ideas. Thirdly you continually deliberately confuse and conflate Islam with Radical Islamism. Lastly every monotheistic religion preaches its own supremacy compared to others, be it Christianity, Islam, or Judaism.

All in all, this is just another hollow Islamophobic rant from Hollie.

Taqiya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Islamic missionary activity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

..and a rare, reasonably accurate, article from Daniel Pipes

Distinguishing between Islam and Islamism.

and lastly,

Religion 101: "My God is Bigger/Better than Yours!"

BULLSHIT The majority of muslims today are descended from forced converts which is why we see so few indigenous in muslim nations. We saw this happening in Yugoslavia, Philippines, Uganda, Nigeria, Darfur and Somalia.

Kithman and taqiya is a wholly Islamic concept that translates as lies and deceit to hide the true nature of islam that preaches death and violence to all non muslims.

 

[Phoenall]

History proves otherwise. Stop fangering yourself.

Archaeology proves otherwise, "history" based on Bible/Torah stories, is myth.

But only if you manipulate the findings and leave out whole swathes of the reports, isn't that so ?

 

[Humanity]

Oh Yes it is!

No more so than say the nation of Palestine, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon. America, France, Germany et al

Exactly....

Just man-made borders and boundaries...

All invaded/stolen lands from the indigenous peoples by invaders!

Touche Phoney!

Yes and the majority just happen to islamic invasions, but nice of you to admit that the arab muslims are illegal immigrants in Palestine and have no legal right to be there.

They have more right to be there than European Jews.

Do they really, so since when have illegal immigrants had more rights than sovereign rulers ? We are not talking tower hamlets here that Labour gave to the muslims you know

I will try and keep it simple, especially for you Phoney...

Someone living on one continent has more right to live on that continent than someone from a different continent!

What "illegal immigrants" are you talking about?

What "sovereign rulers"?

 

[Hollie]

"According to Joseph Stalin's national policy, each of the national groups that formed the Soviet Union would receive a territory in which to pursue cultural autonomy in a socialist framework. In that sense, it also responded to two supposed threats to the Soviet state:

Judaism, which ran counter to official state policy of atheism
Zionism — the advocacy of a Jewish national state in Palestine — which countered Soviet views of nationalism.

The Soviets envisaged setting up a new "Soviet Zion", where a proletarian Jewish culture could be developed. Yiddish, rather than Hebrew, would be the national language, and literature and the arts would replace religion as the primary expression of culture.

Stalin's theory on the National Question regarded a group as a nation only if it had a territory, and since there was no Jewish territory, per se, the Jews were not a nation and did not have national rights. Jewish Communists argued that the way to solve this ideological dilemma was by creating a Jewish territory, hence the ideological motivation for the Jewish Autonomous Oblast. Politically, it was also considered desirable to create a Soviet Jewish homeland as an ideological alternative to Zionism and the theory put forward by Socialist Zionists such as Ber Borochov that the Jewish Question could be resolved by creating a Jewish territory in Palestine. Thus Birobidzhan was important for propaganda purposes as an argument against Zionism which was a rival ideology to Marxism among left-wing Jews." Jewish Autonomous Oblast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe so, but it was still a valid "homeland". Just think, if those millions of Jewish Poles and Byelorussians had moved there before June 1941, they'd all be alive and well now and there'd be no need to colonise Palestine.

You forgot to ask the people themselves if they considered it 'valid' at all in a state that persecuted Jews for celebrating their holidays.

And You of course conveniently forget the Arab pogroms and the Jewish mass exodus from those countries as well.

They'd have been able to celebrate their holidays just fine in their own Oblast, as the extract says.

Well the survivors of WW2 wanted to go anywhere but Palestine, their country of choice was America, but President Truman, at Zionist urging, wouldn't let them in.

I've not forgotten anything. What happened with the Jewish populations in the Muslim world was as a direct result of Zionist ethic cleansing, along with a few clandestine Zionist operations designed to frighten Jewish populations in Muslim countries into leaving, but that wasn't at all relevant so I never mentioned it.

History shows that you are just belching taqiyya. Revulsion for Jews and Christians is a central theme in muhammedan doctrine.

If you study islam’s history of war, conquest, rapine and colonialism, you will find that islamism only coexisted with other religions / cultures when those were subordinate to Islamism.

Islamic doctrine entails the striving in the way of muhammud (swish), and the politico-religious ideology he invented and incorporating an armed and violent conflict against the infidel so as to establish muhammuds religion everywhere, as well as a spiritual conflict, within ones self — a holy, central and an obligatory duty in Islamic doctrine. The core precept of Islamic dogma is to make muhammud's (swish) religion reign supreme over all men, and the fact is, that just won't happen peacefully.

Islam has never taught equality as it relates to moslems and non-moslems. At no time in islamist history have Muhammedans equated non-Moslems as equals. In fact, you should understand the dhimmi status.

Firstly, you have no idea what Taqiyya is, nor of its roots in Judaism. Secondly, had you studied Islamic history, you would discover that the overwhelming majority of Muslims today are the descendants of voluntary converts brought about by Islamic missionaries rather than by force and conquest. Islam spread over centuries via trade routes, like most ideas. Thirdly you continually deliberately confuse and conflate Islam with Radical Islamism. Lastly every monotheistic religion preaches its own supremacy compared to others, be it Christianity, Islam, or Judaism.

All in all, this is just another hollow Islamophobic rant from Hollie.

Taqiya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Islamic missionary activity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

..and a rare, reasonably accurate, article from Daniel Pipes

Distinguishing between Islam and Islamism.

and lastly,

Religion 101: "My God is Bigger/Better than Yours!"

BULLSHIT The majority of muslims today are descended from forced converts which is why we see so few indigenous in muslim nations. We saw this happening in Yugoslavia, Philippines, Uganda, Nigeria, Darfur and Somalia.

Kithman and taqiya is a wholly Islamic concept that translates as lies and deceit to hide the true nature of islam that preaches death and violence to all non muslims.

It's actually comically tragic that the wannabes drone on about "voluntary converts" when Islamist nations mandate Islamism as the State Religion.

Since when is forced religion a voluntary act?

 

[Phoenall]

No more so than say the nation of Palestine, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon. America, France, Germany et al

Exactly....

Just man-made borders and boundaries...

All invaded/stolen lands from the indigenous peoples by invaders!

Touche Phoney!

Yes and the majority just happen to islamic invasions, but nice of you to admit that the arab muslims are illegal immigrants in Palestine and have no legal right to be there.

They have more right to be there than European Jews.

Do they really, so since when have illegal immigrants had more rights than sovereign rulers ? We are not talking tower hamlets here that Labour gave to the muslims you know

I will try and keep it simple, especially for you Phoney...

Someone living on one continent has more right to live on that continent than someone from a different continent!

What "illegal immigrants" are you talking about?

What "sovereign rulers"?

So you have not taken one word of the International law enacted by the LoN in 1923 who were the sovereign rulers of Palestine after the Ottomans. The same law that granted 78% of Palestine to the arab muslims , granted Iraq, Iran and Syria to the arab muslims to the arab muslims. Those sovereign rulers that passed sovereignty of that tiny 22% of Palestine, less than 1% of the Ottoman lands to the Jews of the world as their NATIONal home in their historic part of the world. The same Jews that were stolen away, like the American and British people stole the African peoples away, to be slaves.
Then along comes the arab muslims who had never held sovereignty over the land since their 22 years that ended in 1099 and claimed that the land was theirs and that they had always owned the land since the tome of Abraham. The same arab muslims that were citizens of Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Iran and Saudi and who travelled the same route every year following the work as the crops came in. Those illegal immigrants who had never actually lived in Palestine and held it in their hearts as their homeland.

Now google all that I have wrote and see if the unbiased non partisan sources support this, or if they support your false claims of arab muslims being around over 2000 years ago.

 

[Roudy]

History proves otherwise. Stop fangering yourself.

Archaeology proves otherwise, "history" based on Bible/Torah stories, is myth.

Actually moron, archeology proves the existence of Israel and the Jewish people and totally disproves the existence of an Arab Palestinian people. There are thousands upon thousands of archeological sites and artifacts that point to an Israel and a Jewish people in that land, and not even one that proves the existence of an Arab Palestinian people. But don't let the truth get in the way of your delusion. Ha ha ha.

 

[Roudy]

You forgot to ask the people themselves if they considered it 'valid' at all in a state that persecuted Jews for celebrating their holidays.

And You of course conveniently forget the Arab pogroms and the Jewish mass exodus from those countries as well.

They'd have been able to celebrate their holidays just fine in their own Oblast, as the extract says.

Well the survivors of WW2 wanted to go anywhere but Palestine, their country of choice was America, but President Truman, at Zionist urging, wouldn't let them in.

I've not forgotten anything. What happened with the Jewish populations in the Muslim world was as a direct result of Zionist ethic cleansing, along with a few clandestine Zionist operations designed to frighten Jewish populations in Muslim countries into leaving, but that wasn't at all relevant so I never mentioned it.

History shows that you are just belching taqiyya. Revulsion for Jews and Christians is a central theme in muhammedan doctrine.

If you study islam’s history of war, conquest, rapine and colonialism, you will find that islamism only coexisted with other religions / cultures when those were subordinate to Islamism.

Islamic doctrine entails the striving in the way of muhammud (swish), and the politico-religious ideology he invented and incorporating an armed and violent conflict against the infidel so as to establish muhammuds religion everywhere, as well as a spiritual conflict, within ones self — a holy, central and an obligatory duty in Islamic doctrine. The core precept of Islamic dogma is to make muhammud's (swish) religion reign supreme over all men, and the fact is, that just won't happen peacefully.

Islam has never taught equality as it relates to moslems and non-moslems. At no time in islamist history have Muhammedans equated non-Moslems as equals. In fact, you should understand the dhimmi status.

How about some links to support you anti-Islamic outbursts?

How about you do your homework.

Perform a search using the term "dhimmi". Report back to us what you find. Or, because you're a laggard and a layabout, I can give you the information you're ignorant of.

If you are that bothered, also look up Bat Ye'or, the mother of Dhimmitude.

Bat Ye’or: Anti-Muslim Loon with a Crazy Conspiracy Theory Named “Eurabia”

Bullshit. Dhimmititude and second class citizenry and apartheid for non Muslims living in Muslim countries is a fact. Deal with it, Achmed.

 

[Challenger]

"According to Joseph Stalin's national policy, each of the national groups that formed the Soviet Union would receive a territory in which to pursue cultural autonomy in a socialist framework. In that sense, it also responded to two supposed threats to the Soviet state:

Judaism, which ran counter to official state policy of atheism
Zionism — the advocacy of a Jewish national state in Palestine — which countered Soviet views of nationalism.

The Soviets envisaged setting up a new "Soviet Zion", where a proletarian Jewish culture could be developed. Yiddish, rather than Hebrew, would be the national language, and literature and the arts would replace religion as the primary expression of culture.

Stalin's theory on the National Question regarded a group as a nation only if it had a territory, and since there was no Jewish territory, per se, the Jews were not a nation and did not have national rights. Jewish Communists argued that the way to solve this ideological dilemma was by creating a Jewish territory, hence the ideological motivation for the Jewish Autonomous Oblast. Politically, it was also considered desirable to create a Soviet Jewish homeland as an ideological alternative to Zionism and the theory put forward by Socialist Zionists such as Ber Borochov that the Jewish Question could be resolved by creating a Jewish territory in Palestine. Thus Birobidzhan was important for propaganda purposes as an argument against Zionism which was a rival ideology to Marxism among left-wing Jews." Jewish Autonomous Oblast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe so, but it was still a valid "homeland". Just think, if those millions of Jewish Poles and Byelorussians had moved there before June 1941, they'd all be alive and well now and there'd be no need to colonise Palestine.

You forgot to ask the people themselves if they considered it 'valid' at all in a state that persecuted Jews for celebrating their holidays.

And You of course conveniently forget the Arab pogroms and the Jewish mass exodus from those countries as well.

They'd have been able to celebrate their holidays just fine in their own Oblast, as the extract says.

Well the survivors of WW2 wanted to go anywhere but Palestine, their country of choice was America, but President Truman, at Zionist urging, wouldn't let them in.

I've not forgotten anything. What happened with the Jewish populations in the Muslim world was as a direct result of Zionist ethic cleansing, along with a few clandestine Zionist operations designed to frighten Jewish populations in Muslim countries into leaving, but that wasn't at all relevant so I never mentioned it.

History shows that you are just belching taqiyya. Revulsion for Jews and Christians is a central theme in muhammedan doctrine.

If you study islam’s history of war, conquest, rapine and colonialism, you will find that islamism only coexisted with other religions / cultures when those were subordinate to Islamism.

Islamic doctrine entails the striving in the way of muhammud (swish), and the politico-religious ideology he invented and incorporating an armed and violent conflict against the infidel so as to establish muhammuds religion everywhere, as well as a spiritual conflict, within ones self — a holy, central and an obligatory duty in Islamic doctrine. The core precept of Islamic dogma is to make muhammud's (swish) religion reign supreme over all men, and the fact is, that just won't happen peacefully.

Islam has never taught equality as it relates to moslems and non-moslems. At no time in islamist history have Muhammedans equated non-Moslems as equals. In fact, you should understand the dhimmi status.

Firstly, you have no idea what Taqiyya is, nor of its roots in Judaism. Secondly, had you studied Islamic history, you would discover that the overwhelming majority of Muslims today are the descendants of voluntary converts brought about by Islamic missionaries rather than by force and conquest. Islam spread over centuries via trade routes, like most ideas. Thirdly you continually deliberately confuse and conflate Islam with Radical Islamism. Lastly every monotheistic religion preaches its own supremacy compared to others, be it Christianity, Islam, or Judaism.

All in all, this is just another hollow Islamophobic rant from Hollie.

Taqiya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Islamic missionary activity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

..and a rare, reasonably accurate, article from Daniel Pipes

Distinguishing between Islam and Islamism.

and lastly,

Religion 101: "My God is Bigger/Better than Yours!"

Firstly, I prefer wannabes like you, the openly hostile, whacked out Islamocrats that we in West label as "extremist," or "radical" because we know where they stand. They're really just devout Muhammedans who minimally employ taqiyya and abide by what is proclaimed in the korans and sunnah. I'd just rather deal with unapologetic whackjobs like you than the so called "moderate" who ends up with the ”I can't believe he'd do this!”, ”He was such a peaceful muhammedan”,self serving eulogy after murdering some infidels. The former make themselves easier to identify and imprison before they get their jihad rolling within our borders.

Secondly, if you had done your homework, you would have taken noticed that in an environment where islamism is mandated by law, where the social and political constructs are Islamic to the exclusion of other religions and where there is societal exclusion for not embracing islamism and those not embracing the state religion are ostracized, it’s pretty easy to understand that compulsion is the weapon of choice for forced religion. Whether you will admit it or not, there clearly is compulsion in religion when the societal structure does not allow competing religions such as in nations / societies under the bootheel of muhammedan'ism.

Thirdly, you continually offer excuses for islamist fascism. Honestly, it’s a shame that goofy wannabes have such little experience with the reality of the islamist ideology they drone on about. I’m sure that’s largely a function of wannabes living and exploiting the advantages of Western societies which has sheltered such wannabes from direct experience with the very ideology they have such little practical knowledge of. I’m afraid that the insensate Jew hatred which is such a part of islamist ideology is not going to suffice as an excuse for the failure of the islamist calipha. That failure is the result of islamist fascism and the inevitable failure of theocratic totalitariansm as a model of governance.

Lastly, Christianity and Judaism, as we know, met with reform and enlightenment. In short, they grew up and became a positive force for civilization and progress worldwide. In fact, they were both instrumental in shaping social climate which fostered the freedoms, science, and prosperity of Western civilization. I cringe at the notion of Christianity and Judaism never having undergone a reformation. Today there are many different sects and subdivisions of Christianity and Judaism and with a nod to the founding vision of Martin Luther (Christianity), during the sixteenth century, those incarnations of the Christian faith (and similarly the Jewish faith), manage to avoid warfare with each other. In fact, they have managed to coexist and flourish within the embrace of secular governance. That flexibility is even alluded to in the Gospels: "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's." —Matthew 22:21.

Firstly, I prefer wannabes like you, the openly hostile, whacked out Islamocrats that we in West label as "extremist," or "radical" because we know where they stand...

ROFL! You wouldn’t know where I stood if I was standing right next to you, your myopic bigotry is that bad.


I’ll say it again in case anyone missed it the first ten or twenty times, I’m a Humanist; I couldn’t give a flying f*ck about Yahweh/El/God/Allah/Flying Spaghetti Monster/etc; they’re all fairy stories as far as I’m concerned, so in your fantasy world, come “Eurabia”. I’ll be amongst the first for “the chop”. I won’t hold my breath.

Secondly, if you had done your homework...

I’m your worst nightmare, I’m someone who HAS done their homework, discovered the lies obfuscations, and fabrications behind Zionist so called, “history” and is quite happy to expose them.


Worse still, for your bigoted fantasies, I’ve travelled extensively throughout the Muslim Middle East from Agadir to Aswan; from Istanbul to Isfahan, for both business and pleasure. I’ve met and spoken to ordinary Muslims and found them to be just the same as us, with the same worries and problems everyone faces in life. Never once, despite being blatantly a white westerner, have I been abused, or attacked, but treated everywhere I went with courtesy and respect.


People are people, whatever their religions, some are devout, others secular; most somewhere in between. The only Islamic countries that have any form of religious compulsion or exclusivism are those who follow extremist teachings like “Wahabism” in Saudi Arabia (an American Ally) or “Deobandism” in Afghanistan (amongst the Taliban).

Thirdly, you continually offer excuses for islamist fascism...

No I don’t. Having discovered the lies obfuscations, and fabrications behind Zionist so called, “history” all I do is expose them.

...Today there are many different sects and subdivisions of Christianity and Judaism and with a nod to the founding vision of Martin Luther (Christianity), during the sixteenth century, those incarnations of the Christian faith (and similarly the Jewish faith), manage to avoid warfare with each other...

Really,so “Christian” nations haven’t fought each other since the 16th century? Leaving aside WW1 and WW2, have a look through these lists and check out how many times nominally Christian nations have fought nominally Christian nations.


List of wars 1945–89 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List of wars 1990–2002 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List of wars 2003–10 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List of wars 2011–present - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


It took Europe almost 200 years to resolve religious differences, and that was without any external interference. The West created, or is responsible for, just about every political problem/conflict in the ME at the moment. Maybe we should back off and leave them to sort out their problems themselves...oh, wait...OIL! We need the oil.

 

[Challenger]

They'd have been able to celebrate their holidays just fine in their own Oblast, as the extract says.

Well the survivors of WW2 wanted to go anywhere but Palestine, their country of choice was America, but President Truman, at Zionist urging, wouldn't let them in.

I've not forgotten anything. What happened with the Jewish populations in the Muslim world was as a direct result of Zionist ethic cleansing, along with a few clandestine Zionist operations designed to frighten Jewish populations in Muslim countries into leaving, but that wasn't at all relevant so I never mentioned it.

History shows that you are just belching taqiyya. Revulsion for Jews and Christians is a central theme in muhammedan doctrine.

If you study islam’s history of war, conquest, rapine and colonialism, you will find that islamism only coexisted with other religions / cultures when those were subordinate to Islamism.

Islamic doctrine entails the striving in the way of muhammud (swish), and the politico-religious ideology he invented and incorporating an armed and violent conflict against the infidel so as to establish muhammuds religion everywhere, as well as a spiritual conflict, within ones self — a holy, central and an obligatory duty in Islamic doctrine. The core precept of Islamic dogma is to make muhammud's (swish) religion reign supreme over all men, and the fact is, that just won't happen peacefully.

Islam has never taught equality as it relates to moslems and non-moslems. At no time in islamist history have Muhammedans equated non-Moslems as equals. In fact, you should understand the dhimmi status.

How about some links to support you anti-Islamic outbursts?

How about you do your homework.

Perform a search using the term "dhimmi". Report back to us what you find. Or, because you're a laggard and a layabout, I can give you the information you're ignorant of.

If you are that bothered, also look up Bat Ye'or, the mother of Dhimmitude.

Bat Ye’or: Anti-Muslim Loon with a Crazy Conspiracy Theory Named “Eurabia”

Because you are in thrall to islamist fascism, you might want to review the goals of your heroes ISIS.

In terms of the muhammedan world, this fact is still true – Wahabbism / Salafism / islamo-fascism is more favored today in the Middle East than it was 50 or 100 years ago, especially with the surge in popularity of Al Qaeda prior to the 2nd Iraq war. Strange (well not really - not considering the muhammedan mindset when muhammedans are the most frequent victims of muhammedann ideology). On the other hand, many of the goals and methods of Wahabbism / Salafism / islamo-fascism including the establishment of a worldwide caliphate and the justification of violence against infidels, are more accepted among Middle Easterners than they used to be. Though these ideas have always been a part of muhammedan doctrine, they had mostly been abandoned as impracticable in the dominion of the Persian monarchy in the 19th century. That such a radical return to the past is possible only highlights the extreme retrogression of muhammedan'ism. In fact, the most prominent symbol of modern-day Islamism, the burqa, is only a product of the 1970s. In many ways, as Mark Steyn and others have pointed out, the “reform” of Islamism has already taken place, and Wahabbism / Salafism / islamo-fascism is it.

Unsubstantiated opinion, prove it.

 

[Challenger]

History proves otherwise. Stop fangering yourself.

Archaeology proves otherwise, "history" based on Bible/Torah stories, is myth.

Actually moron, archeology proves the existence of Israel and the Jewish people and totally disproves the existence of an Arab Palestinian people...

Prove it.

 

[Challenger]

They'd have been able to celebrate their holidays just fine in their own Oblast, as the extract says.

Well the survivors of WW2 wanted to go anywhere but Palestine, their country of choice was America, but President Truman, at Zionist urging, wouldn't let them in.

I've not forgotten anything. What happened with the Jewish populations in the Muslim world was as a direct result of Zionist ethic cleansing, along with a few clandestine Zionist operations designed to frighten Jewish populations in Muslim countries into leaving, but that wasn't at all relevant so I never mentioned it.

History shows that you are just belching taqiyya. Revulsion for Jews and Christians is a central theme in muhammedan doctrine.

If you study islam’s history of war, conquest, rapine and colonialism, you will find that islamism only coexisted with other religions / cultures when those were subordinate to Islamism.

Islamic doctrine entails the striving in the way of muhammud (swish), and the politico-religious ideology he invented and incorporating an armed and violent conflict against the infidel so as to establish muhammuds religion everywhere, as well as a spiritual conflict, within ones self — a holy, central and an obligatory duty in Islamic doctrine. The core precept of Islamic dogma is to make muhammud's (swish) religion reign supreme over all men, and the fact is, that just won't happen peacefully.

Islam has never taught equality as it relates to moslems and non-moslems. At no time in islamist history have Muhammedans equated non-Moslems as equals. In fact, you should understand the dhimmi status.

How about some links to support you anti-Islamic outbursts?

How about you do your homework.

Perform a search using the term "dhimmi". Report back to us what you find. Or, because you're a laggard and a layabout, I can give you the information you're ignorant of.

If you are that bothered, also look up Bat Ye'or, the mother of Dhimmitude.

Bat Ye’or: Anti-Muslim Loon with a Crazy Conspiracy Theory Named “Eurabia”

Bullshit. Dhimmititude and second class citizenry and apartheid for non Muslims living in Muslim countries is a fact. Deal with it, Achmed.

Thanks for admitting you've no idea what you are talking about.

 

[docmauser1]

Someone living on one continent has more right to live on that continent than someone from a different continent!

Unless that someone is a palistanian, who's absolutely convinced he/she has more right(s) on both continents. hehe

What "illegal immigrants" are you talking about?

Oh, those arab settlers-squatters from the hood, who are now affectionately called "palestinians" starting late 60-s, of course!

What "sovereign rulers"?

That what's I want to get from our honorable P F Tinmore so that he may support his contention that there actually existed a sovereign "state of palestine" with its "international borders". So far our honorable P F Tinmore produces consistent fails, hence palistanians have no land and no borders, of course.

 

[docmauser1]

It took Europe almost 200 years to resolve religious differences, ...

Arabs-muslims are in the process of resolving euro religious differences by islamisation of the latter, of course.

... and that was without any external interference.

And all that with full external arab-muslim interference, of course.