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It is neither an "ally" nor in any way an affiliate of the United States -- except in the minds of those Americans with unacceptably divided loyalty.
"Israel as a Security Asset for the United States" | The Weekly StandardIsrael as a Security Asset for the United States
We, the undersigned, have traveled to Israel over the years with The Jewish
Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA). We brought with us our
decades of military experience and, following unrestricted access to
Israel's civilian and military leaders, came away with the unswerving belief
that the security of the State of Israel is a matter of great importance to
the United States and its policy in the Middle East and Eastern
Mediterranean. A strong, secure Israel is an asset upon which American
military planners and political leaders can rely. Israel is a democracy - a
rare and precious commodity in the region - and Israel shares our commitment
to freedom, personal liberty and rule of law.
Throughout our travels and our talks, the determination of Israelis to
protect their country and to pursue a fair and workable peace with their
neighbors was clearly articulated. Thus we view the current tension between
the United States and Israel with dismay and grave concern that political
differences may be allowed to outweigh our larger mutual interests. As American defense professionals, we view events in the Middle East through the prism of American security interests.
The United States and Israel established security cooperation during the
Cold War, and today the two countries face the common threat of terrorism by
those who fear freedom and liberty. Historically close cooperation between
the United States. and Israel at all levels including the IDF, military
research and development, shared intelligence and bilateral military
training exercises enhances the security of both countries. American police
and law enforcement officials have reaped the benefit of close cooperation
with Israeli professionals in the areas of domestic counter-terrorism
practices and first response to terrorist attacks. Israel and the United States are drawn together by shared values and shared threats to our well-being.
The proliferation of weapons and nuclear technology across the Middle East
and Asia, and the ballistic missile technology to deliver systems across
wide areas require cooperation in intelligence, technology and security
policy. Terrorism, as well as the origins of financing, training and
executing terrorist acts, need to be addressed multilaterally when possible.
The dissemination of hatred and support of terrorism by violent extremists
in the name of Islam, whether state or non-state actors, must be addressed
as a threat to global peace.
In the Middle East, a volatile region so vital to U.S. interests, it would
be foolish to disengage - or denigrate - an ally such as Israel.
Another problem is that a very large percentage of Jewish Americans, even some in the White House, have duel citizenship; Israeli citizenship and American citizenship.The problem with U.S. involvement in Israel's concerns is U.S. involvement in Israel's concerns. This problem is manifest in the average Americans' willingness to show an interest in the political trivia presented by pro-Israel propagandists, such as that posted in the topic message.
Speaking as one American, why should I care about any of that? Why is Israel important to me in any way? Why should any gentile American care what happens to Israel? I have no ethnic or spiritual connection to that troublesome little country, nor do the vast majority of my countrymen. So why, in spite of the enormous cost to us in terms of treasure, blood and national security, does the U.S. Government insist on treating Israel like the 51st state of our Union? I can't get an intelligent answer to that question, which leaves me to assume the reason is bribery and/or blackmail of our legislative bodies by AIPAC, JINSA and other pro-Israel Jewish/American organizations.
I am not concerned about either Israel or the Palestinians or any other Muslim entity in the Middle East. I don't care if those people wipe each other out to the last man standing. I believe the U.S. Government should sever all relations with Israel and issue a general threat to all Middle East entities to leave us out of their conflicts. And American Jews who are citizens of the U.S. and enjoy the protection available from that status should be advised to either demonstrate their loyalty to the U.S. by ceasing their support of Israel or to demonstrate their loyalty to that foreign nation by migrating there.
Again; Israel is a foreign country. It is neither an "ally" nor in any way an affiliate of the United States -- except in the minds of those Americans with unacceptably divided loyalty.
You'll change your mind after see the same youtube videos and quotes posted by Marc39 over and over and over again.I choose to read everyone's post. I refuse to have others gag me.
And I totally refuse to gag myself by hiding others views from my eyes. No matter how disliked or disturbing I find them.
You'll change your mind after see the same youtube videos and quotes posted by Marc39 over and over and over again.I choose to read everyone's post. I refuse to have others gag me.
And I totally refuse to gag myself by hiding others views from my eyes. No matter how disliked or disturbing I find them.
He is the only person that I have on ignore.
Cause he adds nothing to the discussion.
And trolls threads just to derail them.
You'll change your mind after see the same youtube videos and quotes posted by Marc39 over and over and over again.I choose to read everyone's post. I refuse to have others gag me.
And I totally refuse to gag myself by hiding others views from my eyes. No matter how disliked or disturbing I find them.
Which Middle East state guarantees the equal legal rights of gay citizens like me to do such things as serve in its armed forces?
ONLY ISRAEL.
Re Jews and Dual citizenship... not really the case. Like most Americans, they have dual identity. It is very much Obama's major problem is that he has more identity with his father's ideology than with his job.
Most Americans are proud of their multiple identity. As a general rule it causes no real problems. The Kennedys were Irish, as was Reagan, Eisenhower was German etc etc. For most American politicians, the other identity is not really ever an issue. Senator Nadler is no more Jewish than Senator d'Amato was Italian.
Some folks make it an issue, but for the politician himself, it usually isn't.
You've got to love this guy Sunni man. Yeah hes taking the moral high ground here right? Lets look at his signature...
"There is No business, like Shoah business"!!!
I don't see Marc having a signature "there is no business like killing muslims"
Sunni man has no credibility here, hes a loon.
Re Jews and Dual citizenship... not really the case. Like most Americans, they have dual identity. It is very much Obama's major problem is that he has more identity with his father's ideology than with his job.
Most Americans are proud of their multiple identity. As a general rule it causes no real problems. The Kennedys were Irish, as was Reagan, Eisenhower was German etc etc. For most American politicians, the other identity is not really ever an issue. Senator Nadler is no more Jewish than Senator d'Amato was Italian.
Some folks make it an issue, but for the politician himself, it usually isn't.
see, when i read things like the above, it makes me roll my eyes. what identification with his father's ideology? near as i can tell you guys should love President Obama... he gave you everything you wanted. *shrug*
so repeating that type of rightwing talking point realy doesn't lend much to the discussion.
as for the rest of your post, the dual loyalty allegation is something anti-semites have claimed throughout history as a way of marginalizing jews. that was reinforced by the fact that in countries like russian, jews were given separate "jewish" passports rather than the national 'russian' passport. i don't know if any other countries do that. but german jews identified fully and totally as germans as do american jews.
Since the US Congress would not allow Obama to bitch slap Israel even if he wanted to, Juan Cole suggests using the UN Security Council to force Israel into meaningful negotiations with Palestine.The problem with U.S. involvement in Israel's concerns is U.S. involvement in Israel's concerns. This problem is manifest in the average Americans' willingness to show an interest in the political trivia presented by pro-Israel propagandists, such as that posted in the topic message.
Speaking as one American, why should I care about any of that? Why is Israel important to me in any way? Why should any gentile American care what happens to Israel? I have no ethnic or spiritual connection to that troublesome little country, nor do the vast majority of my countrymen. So why, in spite of the enormous cost to us in terms of treasure, blood and national security, does the U.S. Government insist on treating Israel like the 51st state of our Union? I can't get an intelligent answer to that question, which leaves me to assume the reason is bribery and/or blackmail of our legislative bodies by AIPAC, JINSA and other pro-Israel Jewish/American organizations.
I am not concerned about either Israel or the Palestinians or any other Muslim entity in the Middle East. I don't care if those people wipe each other out to the last man standing. I believe the U.S. Government should sever all relations with Israel and issue a general threat to all Middle East entities to leave us out of their conflicts. And American Jews who are citizens of the U.S. and enjoy the protection available from that status should be advised to either demonstrate their loyalty to the U.S. by ceasing their support of Israel or to demonstrate their loyalty to that foreign nation by migrating there.
Again; Israel is a foreign country. It is neither an "ally" nor in any way an affiliate of the United States -- except in the minds of those Americans with unacceptably divided loyalty.
The problem with U.S. involvement in Israel's concerns is U.S. involvement in Israel's concerns. This problem is manifest in the average Americans' willingness to show an interest in the political trivia presented by pro-Israel propagandists, such as that posted in the topic message.
Speaking as one American, why should I care about any of that? Why is Israel important to me in any way? Why should any gentile American care what happens to Israel? I have no ethnic or spiritual connection to that troublesome little country, nor do the vast majority of my countrymen. So why, in spite of the enormous cost to us in terms of treasure, blood and national security, does the U.S. Government insist on treating Israel like the 51st state of our Union? I can't get an intelligent answer to that question, which leaves me to assume the reason is bribery and/or blackmail of our legislative bodies by AIPAC, JINSA and other pro-Israel Jewish/American organizations.
I am not concerned about either Israel or the Palestinians or any other Muslim entity in the Middle East. I don't care if those people wipe each other out to the last man standing. I believe the U.S. Government should sever all relations with Israel and issue a general threat to all Middle East entities to leave us out of their conflicts. And American Jews who are citizens of the U.S. and enjoy the protection available from that status should be advised to either demonstrate their loyalty to the U.S. by ceasing their support of Israel or to demonstrate their loyalty to that foreign nation by migrating there.
Again; Israel is a foreign country. It is neither an "ally" nor in any way an affiliate of the United States -- except in the minds of those Americans with unacceptably divided loyalty.
Re Jews and Dual citizenship... not really the case. Like most Americans, they have dual identity. It is very much Obama's major problem is that he has more identity with his father's ideology than with his job.
Most Americans are proud of their multiple identity. As a general rule it causes no real problems. The Kennedys were Irish, as was Reagan, Eisenhower was German etc etc. For most American politicians, the other identity is not really ever an issue. Senator Nadler is no more Jewish than Senator d'Amato was Italian.
Some folks make it an issue, but for the politician himself, it usually isn't.
see, when i read things like the above, it makes me roll my eyes. what identification with his father's ideology? near as i can tell you guys should love President Obama... he gave you everything you wanted. *shrug*
so repeating that type of rightwing talking point realy doesn't lend much to the discussion.
as for the rest of your post, the dual loyalty allegation is something anti-semites have claimed throughout history as a way of marginalizing jews. that was reinforced by the fact that in countries like russian, jews were given separate "jewish" passports rather than the national 'russian' passport. i don't know if any other countries do that. but german jews identified fully and totally as germans as do american jews.
As to the first point.... Read Obama's book. He is quite clear on the matter.
As to the second, Soviet law recognized jewish as a nationality. IE, Soviet passports had a line (#5) for nationality..... Ukrainian, Georgian, Latvian, Armenian, Kazakh etc. Stalin would have Georgian on his passport, Khrushchev would have had Ukrainian on his. That was the justification. There were no separate passports. But "line 5" could be a job killer.
As to actual practice, it was as you say.
Sorry, I choose to bypass those linkages. I put forward that likely ninety nine percent read the first few and then just bypass the posters links. You choose to ignore. I choose to bypass the links and read the text.
You'll change your mind after see the same youtube videos and quotes posted by Marc39 over and over and over again.I choose to read everyone's post. I refuse to have others gag me.
And I totally refuse to gag myself by hiding others views from my eyes. No matter how disliked or disturbing I find them.
Sorry, I choose to bypass those linkages. I put forward that likely ninety nine percent read the first few and then just bypass the posters links. You choose to ignore. I choose to bypass the links and read the text.
You'll change your mind after see the same youtube videos and quotes posted by Marc39 over and over and over again.
That explains it, I like to be able to see the signatures they actually tell you a lot about the members here
My signature has nothing to do with killing Jews.You've got to love this guy Sunni man. Yeah hes taking the moral high ground here right? Lets look at his signature...
"There is No business, like Shoah business"!!!
I don't see Marc having a signature "there is no business like killing muslims"
so called Holocaust.
There was nothing subconscious about it.so called Holocaust.
You say "That even ONE Jew was murdered by the Nazis was a tragedy and should never have happened."
Then you call it the "so called holocaust"?
You aren't willing to stand to what you believe, but your words come out subconsciously...
One, or a thousand; if they were murdered, then it was a tragedy and wrong. Period.So, what don't you believe. Numbers? Is that why you said ONE in caps? To minimize?
