Islamic law adopted in Britain

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    oh goody---I hope Mikey likes it !
     
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    The power of liberalism..........I mean socialism
     
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    Inbreeding and anemia have finally taken their toll on the Brits.
     
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    It seems to me that what the Brits have done is to allow Sharia courts to be arbiters in disputes between Muslims. Sharia isn't privileged above secular English law. And I would think that any decision by these tribunals wouldn't be able to breach English secular law.

    Are you aware that in Britain Jews have recourse to their own courts for religious and cultural matters? The Beth Din can only be resorted to if all parties in a dispute or a matter are Jews. The Beth Din also operate as an arbitrator in disputes between Jews, much like the Sharia tribunals mentioned in this story.

    And I reckon there's nothing at all wrong with allowing Muslims and Jews to have recourse to their own religious arbitrators.
     
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    we'll see what happens when sharia practices fall outside British law. you know stoning, marrying off a daughter without her consent,etc.
     
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    I agree, that would be the test. But there have been prosecutions already for crimes committed against English law by people claiming to be following ethnic customs or religious dictates and they have introduced to the concept of "here's your cell, we'll tell you when you can be let out for some exercise and for meals". And that's how it should be.
     
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    Yup, of course Jews have been demanding that according to their religion Government must be religious right? This is foolish in the extreme. it tells Muslims one thing, that the west is weak.

    It encourages them to push for more and it tells them they will get what they want. But you spin it anyway you want. Remind us again how Christian religion is bad but Muslims should have their own laws.
     
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    No Rock. Jews haven't been doing that in Britain. The Chief Rabbi, Jonathan Sacks, is a very influential person in Britain. He is influential by dint of his intellect and his ability to explain to Britons just exactly what Judaism in Britain is about and how British Jews relate to British society. I listened to some of his lectures on radio a couple of years ago and I was extremely impressed with his knowledge and his humanity. He is a man to be admired.

    Jews quietly negotiated the Beth Din. And guess what? Britain ticked along nicely as the Beth Din was organised. In London there are large areas of the city that are acknowledged as Jewish communities and have been for many, many years, Jews have conducted their affairs with one another and with the larger community with nary a spark of concern (except where Jews were victimised of course). These are peaceful communities. The differences within the Jewish community stayed within the Jewish community and were sorted out there. The Beth Din at least gave some sort of authority to agreements hammered out by disputants. Halakah applies to Jews, it doesn't apply to gentiles.

    Same thing for this quiet shift to using Sharia arbitration panels. It's for Muslims only, it doesn't affect non-Muslims. It's a simple accommodation of the wishes of the Muslim community and it doesn't, nor does Halakah, conflict with the secular laws of the country.

    And Christians in England have had for hundreds of years their own law - Canon Law. Only recently in legal history has it been subsumed to secular law. But it is still a powerful part of English law albeit restricted somewhat. It drives the Church of England and secular law won't interfere with it unless secular law is broken. Just like Halakah and Sharia.

    Why do you think English judges wear those coloured robes Rock? They harken back to the time when the courts of England were run by the clergy. Yes, once upon a time English common law courts were run by clergy-judges. It took a long time for the secular law to rip authority away from the clergy but they did it. I don't think the Brits will return to that mediaeval circumstance any time soon.
     
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    Jews have always been more inclined to try and blend in to the local culture whereas Muslims consider all things nonIslamic sinful.
     

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