'ISIS controlled terrirtory'

[The Great Goose]

Hasn't the big problem with conventional militaries doing well against terrorists always been they don't have countries and cities to bomb? Yet I keep seeing on the news these maps of the middle east where huge swaths of land designated as ISIS-controlled. So can't we send bombers there and wipe them out pretty much at will? All the non-combatants have fled yes? Just bad guys now. Wanna be pc, tell the inhabitants bombers are coming in xx hours to drop a 250 pound bomb onto every private home's roof, and 2000 pound JDAMs through the roof of every commercial building. If not a terrorist we strongly encourage you to leave. If a terrorist, stay right where you are. Then follow through. That's really important.

Next town, repeat. Either terrorists will eventually surrender en masse' like the Iraqi conscript forces or they'll flee. If neither, repeat until they do.

Dunno why we're talking about combat troops before a massive air bombing campaign.

Why not, we did it to Germany?

Terrorbombing the German population had no effect but an increase of the popularity of the regime.

It brought them to their knees. Stop being silly.

 

[Bleipriester]

Hasn't the big problem with conventional militaries doing well against terrorists always been they don't have countries and cities to bomb? Yet I keep seeing on the news these maps of the middle east where huge swaths of land designated as ISIS-controlled. So can't we send bombers there and wipe them out pretty much at will? All the non-combatants have fled yes? Just bad guys now. Wanna be pc, tell the inhabitants bombers are coming in xx hours to drop a 250 pound bomb onto every private home's roof, and 2000 pound JDAMs through the roof of every commercial building. If not a terrorist we strongly encourage you to leave. If a terrorist, stay right where you are. Then follow through. That's really important.

Next town, repeat. Either terrorists will eventually surrender en masse' like the Iraqi conscript forces or they'll flee. If neither, repeat until they do.

Dunno why we're talking about combat troops before a massive air bombing campaign.

Why not, we did it to Germany?

Terrorbombing the German population had no effect but an increase of the popularity of the regime.

It brought them to their knees. Stop being silly.

It didn´t. Not even a bit. US-bombers did harm to the German war production but this wasn´t terrorbombing.

Military production during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

German armored fighting vehicle production during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[The Great Goose]

Well whatever the case, I'm sure it would do them all a world of good.

 

[Bleipriester]

Well whatever the case, I'm sure it would do them all a world of good.

Alike the holocaust, the world could have completely forborn from terrorbombing. This isn´t limited to WWII.

 

[The Great Goose]

Well whatever the case, I'm sure it would do them all a world of good.

Alike the holocaust, the world could have completely forborn from terrorbombing. This isn´t limited to WWII.

Objection your Honour! Leading the witness.

 

[Cross]

The strategy of total war became obsolete after WW2 with the evolution of International Law...the revision of the Geneva Conventions, Law of Armed Conflict, Hague Conventions, and UHDR, probably left a couple out...This is especially true for the US military.

 

[westwall]

Hasn't the big problem with conventional militaries doing well against terrorists always been they don't have countries and cities to bomb? Yet I keep seeing on the news these maps of the middle east where huge swaths of land designated as ISIS-controlled. So can't we send bombers there and wipe them out pretty much at will? All the non-combatants have fled yes? Just bad guys now. Wanna be pc, tell the inhabitants bombers are coming in xx hours to drop a 250 pound bomb onto every private home's roof, and 2000 pound JDAMs through the roof of every commercial building. If not a terrorist we strongly encourage you to leave. If a terrorist, stay right where you are. Then follow through. That's really important.

Next town, repeat. Either terrorists will eventually surrender en masse' like the Iraqi conscript forces or they'll flee. If neither, repeat until they do.

Dunno why we're talking about combat troops before a massive air bombing campaign.

calm yourself------lots of humans are still there------mommys and babies

Are mommy terrorists making babies for the next generation of terrorists. Any innocent mommies have long since fled.

To win a war you have to accept some innocent non-comatants are gonna be killed. But of you try and make war sterile with just combatants being killed they'll go on forever and overall be a lot worse. Won WWII in under 4 years in multiple countries around the world accepting the reality of this. Lost Afganistan in 15 years trying the sterile approach.

Time to resume fighting like we did in WWII.

we did CARPET BOMBING only rarely in world war II-------Berlin comes to mind-------strategic bombing is war-------not carpet bombing

We carpet bombed almost every major Japanese city. The Tokyo firestorms killed more people than the atomic bombs did.

 

[westwall]

Hasn't the big problem with conventional militaries doing well against terrorists always been they don't have countries and cities to bomb? Yet I keep seeing on the news these maps of the middle east where huge swaths of land designated as ISIS-controlled. So can't we send bombers there and wipe them out pretty much at will? All the non-combatants have fled yes? Just bad guys now. Wanna be pc, tell the inhabitants bombers are coming in xx hours to drop a 250 pound bomb onto every private home's roof, and 2000 pound JDAMs through the roof of every commercial building. If not a terrorist we strongly encourage you to leave. If a terrorist, stay right where you are. Then follow through. That's really important.

Next town, repeat. Either terrorists will eventually surrender en masse' like the Iraqi conscript forces or they'll flee. If neither, repeat until they do.

Dunno why we're talking about combat troops before a massive air bombing campaign.

Why not, we did it to Germany?

Terrorbombing the German population had no effect but an increase of the popularity of the regime.

It brought them to their knees. Stop being silly.

It didn´t. Not even a bit. US-bombers did harm to the German war production but this wasn´t terrorbombing.

Military production during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

German armored fighting vehicle production during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This ignores other realities such as transport etc. Germany was producing more towards the end of the war because they finally went to full war production as it became clear that they were losing. The USA on the other hand began winding down war production in mid 1943. The US was at full war production for less than two years. The USSR likewise had to move factories hundreds of miles and then re-assemble them and then begin production again so their production was interrupted.

The bombing campaign against Germany wasn't all that effective to be honest. What was truly effective was the fighters, after they had escorted the bombers to their target would drop down to tree top level and strafe anything that moved so that by the beginning of 1945 Germany had severe transportation issues. Add to that the fact that the US finally began attacking POL resources which further strangled the German war making machine and by the end the Germans were basically out of fuel.

 

[whitehall]

There was a time when the wholesale killing of civilians was an accepted tactic to force maniac military leaders to surrender. We did it in Europe during WW2 and we used the Atomic Bomb on civilians in Japan. Hell, Bill Clinton even authorized the bombing of a defenseless country in Europe to force one person to surrender (or deflect attention from his peculiar sexual urges). The situation has gone so far to the other side of logic that combat Troops today can't fire at the enemy or call in artillery strikes without getting permission from the fat asses in the Pentagon or politicians. There has to be a better way to wage war than the one Barry Hussein and the democrat party (and timid republicans) have created.

 

[Bleipriester]

This ignores other realities such as transport etc. Germany was producing more towards the end of the war because they finally went to full war production as it became clear that they were losing. The USA on the other hand began winding down war production in mid 1943. The US was at full war production for less than two years. The USSR likewise had to move factories hundreds of miles and then re-assemble them and then begin production again so their production was interrupted.

The bombing campaign against Germany wasn't all that effective to be honest. What was truly effective was the fighters, after they had escorted the bombers to their target would drop down to tree top level and strafe anything that moved so that by the beginning of 1945 Germany had severe transportation issues. Add to that the fact that the US finally began attacking POL resources which further strangled the German war making machine and by the end the Germans were basically out of fuel.

At first, I would say, that an increasing production is not a sign of weakness and defeat. And we are talking about terrorbombing. Terrorbombing doesn´t aim at the destruction of important infrastructure or production. However, it is fact that at night, the Brits came to bomb women and children while the Americans mostly started their 1100 bombers during sunlight, bombing (mainly) factories and infrastructure. The transport was a real issue, indeed. But the Technische Nothilfe (Today: THW) mostly managed to repair the damage done to the railways and important roads in no time. Get details here: German WWII "war diary" | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
And you overestimate the role of the escorting fighters. The life expectancy of the bomber crews was shockingly low. Get details reading this book: Bomber (novel) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia