Is this legal?

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    Is it legal for the police to use a minor to entrap someone? And no, this has nothing to do with sex...get your mind out of the gutter.

    If it is legal...why is it legal?
     
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    hmmm...I really don't want to get into sexual entrapment, Immie, though I suppose it is the same thing.

    I guess my question is...can you go up against cops for entrapment when they hire a minor to do the entrapping?
     
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    Yes, it is.

    I'm a gun dealer. Happens all the time. They'll send in a kid who is under 21 and have him try to buy a handgun. Or they'll send in a couple, one minor, one adult. During the sale, it becomes obvious that the adult is purchasing a gun to give to the minor. Once had it happen where an adult was trying to buy a handgun to give to the minor.

    We don't even let people by guns as gifts for relatives in my stores. If we catch wind that the gun is for someone else, THAT person has to fill out the 4473, or no deal. We sell enough guns (thank you, Obama!) that I don't need to sell another one that badly. Gun and ammo sales have exploded in the past year and a half. Obama truly is the best thing to happen to guns since Oliver Winchester.

    They ABC does it all the time as well. They'll send minors in to buy beer or cigarettes, then bust the proprietor if he sells.
     
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    mmmkay...so why is it legal for the cops to pay a minor to do something that is illegal?
     
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    Well, I'm not sure what the premise is about then.

    As I said, I do not think "entrapment" is legal at all, but defining what is entrapment and what is not entrapment is the issue.

    Immie
     
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    Okay...say the cops hire a minor to buy liquor in order to entrap someone into selling liquor to a minor.

    How is what the cops did legal? Simply because they are cops?
     
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    It is how they regulate certain industries. To prove a crime (not just an oversight, or an "accident") either the person has to actually be a minor, or present ID that could reasonably be noticed as altered or false (at least that's how it affects my business). If a 24 year-old presents me an ID that says he is 22, and ATF approves his 4473, I'm not sure that I have actually committed a crime, though I'm certain the ATF or FBI could find a way to fine me for it.

    It happens, especially with guns and ammo, alcohol and tobacco. They shop all of us almost every day. I don't consider it "entrapment," as much as the only logical way they regulate these two industries.

    I'll say this: I would not want the job ATF has. I know my shops are the exception, as we really go out of our way to sell "by the book" or we just don't sell the damn thing. But I also know that there are shops out there that are just about the profit margin, and if they can make $50 fast and easy, they'll risk the ATF and FBI tracking it down. Not me.

    It is a sellers market since Obama took office, so for every gun sale I decide to back out of, there are 7-8 other customers lined up to buy the gun anyway, and they have proper documentation or don't make me uncomfortable about transferring a firearm to them.

    The biggest problems ATF monitors are sales to minors, and "straw sales" where someone purchases a gun for someone else who probably isn't able to purchase it themself. Not sure there is any way to monitor that other than to hire people to come into our stores and see if we'll sell.
     
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    I don't like the idea of entrapment either. To me it seems like you're almost enticing a person to commit a crime. Like putting a beautiful undercover LEO at a bar to act like a hooker and then bust some poor jerk who tried to obtain her services. If she hadn't been there would the guy have committed a crime at all?

    I don't like it.
     
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    They do it with drugs all the time.
     

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