Is This Biased Or Inaccurate?

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  1. Eightball

    Eightball Senior Member

    Oct 13, 2004
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    My wife's uncle sent this email to me. What do you folks think. I apologize for it's length, but does it have merit?

    Sincerely, Eightballsidepocket

    Please take the time to read the attached essay by Dr. Chong. It is without a doubt
    the most articulate and convincing writing I have read regarding the War
    in Iraq. If you have any doubts please open your mind to his essay and
    give a fair evaluation.

    I had no idea who Dr. Chong is or the source of these thoughts... so when
    I received them, I almost deleted them - as well-written as they are. But
    then I did a "Google search" on the Doctor and found him to be a retired
    Air Force Surgeon of all things and past Commander of Wilford Hall
    Medical Center in San Antonio. So he is real, is connected to Veterans
    affairs in California, and these are his thoughts. They are worth reading
    and thinking about!(the same Google search will direct you to some of his
    other thought-provoking writings.)

    Subject: Muslims, terrorist and the USA. A different spin on Iraq war.

    This WAR is for REAL! Dr. Vernon Chong, Major General, USAF, Retired

    Tuesday, July 12, 2005
    To get out of a difficulty, one usually must go through it. Our country
    is now facing the most serious threat to its existence, as we know it,
    that we have faced in your lifetime and mine (which includes WWII).

    The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact that there are
    very few of us who think we can possibly lose this war and even fewer who
    realize what losing really means.

    First, let's examine a few basics:

    1. When did the threat to us start?
    Many will say September 11, 2001. The answer as far as the United State
    is concerned is 1979, 22 years prior to September 2001, with the
    following attacks on us:

    * Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979;
    * Beirut, Lebanon Embassy 1983;
    * Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983;
    * Lockerbie, Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988;
    * First New York World Trade Center attack 1993;
    * Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Khobar Towers Military complex 1996;
    * Nairobi, Kenya US Embassy 1998;
    * Dares Salaam, Tanzania US Embassy 1998;
    * Aden, Yemen USS Cole 2000;
    * New York World Trade Center 2001;
    * Pentagon 2001.

    (Note that during the period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581 terrorist
    attacks worldwide).

    2. Why were we attacked?

    Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. The attacks happened
    during the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush
    1, Clinton and Bush 2. We cannot fault either the Republicans or
    Democrats as there were no provocations by any of the presidents or their
    immediate predecessors, Presidents Ford or Carter.

    3 Who were the attackers?
    In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out by Muslims.

    4. What is the Muslim population of the World? 25%.

    5. Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful?
    Hopefully, but that is really not material. There is no doubt that the
    predominately Christian population of Germany was peaceful, but under the
    dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also Christian), that made no
    difference. You either went along with the administration or you were
    eliminated. There were 5 to 6 million Christians killed by the Nazis for
    political reasons (including 7,000 Polish priests). (see )

    Thus, almost the same number of Christians were killed by the Nazis, as
    the six million holocaust Jews who were killed by them, and we seldom
    heard of anything other than the Jewish atrocities. Although Hitler kept
    the world focused on the Jews, he had no hesitancy about killing anyone
    who got in his way of exterminating the Jews or of taking over the world
    - German, Christian or any others.

    Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the world on the US, but kill
    all in the way -- their own people or the Spanish, French or anyone else.
    The point here is that just like the peaceful Germans were of no
    protection to anyone from the Nazis, no matter how many peaceful Muslims
    there may be, they are no protection for us from the terrorist Muslim
    leaders and what they are fanatically bent on doing -- by their own
    pronouncements -- killing all of us "infidels." I don't blame the
    peaceful Muslims. What would you do if the choice was shut up or die?

    6. So who are we at war with?

    There is no way we can honestly respond that it is anyone other than the
    Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically correct and avoid verbalizing
    this conclusion can well be fatal. There is no way to win if you don't
    clearly recognize and articulate who you are fighting.

    So with that background, now to the two major questions:

    1. Can we lose this war?

    2. What does losing really mean?

    If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two pivotal questions

    We can definitely lose this war, and as anomalous as it may sound, the
    major reason we can lose is that so many of us simply do not fathom the
    answer to the second question - What does losing mean?

    It would appear that a great many of us think that losing the war means
    hanging our heads, bringing the troops home and going on about our
    business, like post Vietnam. This is as far from the truth as one can

    What losing really means is:

    We would no longer be the premier country in the world. The attacks will
    not subside, but rather will steadily increase. Remember, they want us
    dead, not just quiet. If they had just wanted us quiet, they would not
    have produced an increasing series of attacks against us, over the past
    18 years. The plan was clearly, for terrorist to attack us, until we were
    neutered and submissive to them.

    We would of course have no future support from other nations, for fear of
    reprisals and for the reason that they would see, we are impotent and
    cannot help them.

    They will pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one at a time. It will
    be increasingly easier for them. They already hold Spain hostage. It
    doesn't matter whether it was right or wrong for Spain to withdraw its
    troops from Iraq. Spain did it because the Muslim terrorists bombed their
    train and told them to withdraw the troops. Anything else they want Spain
    to do will be done. Spain is finished.

    The next will probably be France. Our one hope on France is that they
    might see the light and realize that if we don't win, they are finished
    too, in that they can't resist the Muslim terrorists without us. However,
    it may already be too late for France. France is already 20% Muslim and
    fading fast!

    If we lose the war, our production, income, exports and way of life will
    all vanish as we know it. After losing, who would trade or deal with us,
    if they were threatened by the Muslims. If we can't stop the Muslims, how
    could anyone else?

    The Muslims fully know what is riding on this war, and therefore are
    completely committed to winning, at any cost. We better know it too and
    be likewise committed to winning at any cost.

    Why do I go on at such lengths about the results of losing? Simple. Until
    we recognize the costs of losing, we cannot unite and really put
    100% of our thoughts and efforts into winning. And it is going to take
    that 100% effort to win.

    So, how can we lose the war?

    Again, the answer is simple. We can lose the war by "imploding." That is,
    defeating ourselves by refusing to recognize the enemy and their purpose,
    and really digging in and lending full support to the war effort If we
    are united, there is no way that we can lose. If we continue to be
    divided, there is no way that we can win!

    Let me give you a few examples of how we simply don't comprehend the life
    and death seriousness of this situation.

    President Bush selects Norman Mineta as Secretary of Transportation.
    Although all of the terrorist attacks were committed by Muslim men
    between 17 and 40 years of age, Secretary Mineta refuses to allow
    profiling. Does that sound like we are taking this thing seriously? This
    is war! For the duration, we are going to have to give up some of the
    civil rights we have become accustomed to. We had better be prepared to
    lose some of our civil rights temporarily or we will most certainly lose
    all of them permanently.

    And don't worry that it is a slippery slope. We gave up plenty of civil
    rights during WWII, and immediately restored them after the victory and
    in fact added many more since then.

    Do I blame President Bush or President Clinton before him?

    No, I blame us for blithely assuming we can maintain all of our Political
    Correctness, and all of our civil rights during this conflict and have a
    clean, lawful, honorable war. None of those words apply to war. Get them
    out of your head.

    Some have gone so far in their criticism of the war and/or the
    Administration that it almost seems they would literally like to see us
    lose. I hasten to add that this isn't because they are disloyal. It is
    because they just don't recognize what losing means. Nevertheless, that
    conduct gives the impression to the enemy that we are divided and
    weakening. It concerns our friends, and it does great damage to our

    Of more recent vintage, the uproar fueled by the politicians and media
    regarding the treatment of some prisoners of war, perhaps exemplifies
    best what I am saying. We have recently had an issue, involving the
    treatment of a few Muslim prisoners of war, by a small group of our
    military police. These are the type prisoners who just a few months ago
    were throwing their own people off buildings, cutting off their hands,
    cutting out their tongues and otherwise murdering their own people just
    for disagreeing with Saddam Hussein.

    And just a few years ago these same type prisoners chemically killed
    400,000 of their own people for the same reason. They are also the same
    type of enemy fighters, who recently were burning Americans, and dragging
    their charred corpses through the streets of Iraq.

    And still more recently, the same type of enemy that was and is providing
    videos to all news sources internationally, of the beheading of American
    prisoners they held.

    Compare this with some of our press and politicians, who for several days
    have thought and talked about nothing else but the "humiliating" of some
    Muslim prisoners -- not burning them, not dragging their charred corpses
    through the streets, not beheading them, but "humiliating" them.

    Can this be for real?

    The politicians and pundits have even talked of impeachment of the
    Secretary of Defense. If this doesn't show the complete lack of
    comprehension and understanding of the seriousness of the enemy we are
    fighting, the life and death struggle we are in and the disastrous
    results of losing this war, nothing can.

    To bring our country to a virtual political standstill over this prisoner
    issue makes us look like Nero playing his fiddle as Rome burned --
    totally oblivious to what is going on in the real world. Neither we, nor
    any other country, can survive this internal strife. Again I say, this
    does not mean that some of our politicians or media people are disloyal.
    It simply means that they are absolutely oblivious to the magnitude, of
    the situation we are in and into which the Muslim terrorists have been
    pushing us, for many years.

    Remember, the Muslim terrorists stated goal is to kill all infidels! That
    translates into ALL non-Muslims -- not just in the United State, but
    throughout the world.

    We are the last bastion of defense.

    We have been criticized for many years as being 'arrogant.' That charge
    is valid in at least one respect. We are arrogant in that we believe that
    we are so good, powerful and smart, that we can win the hearts and minds
    of all those who attack us, and that with both hands tied behind our
    back, we can defeat anything bad in the world!

    We can't!

    If we don't recognize this, our nation as we know it will not survive,
    and no other free country in the world will survive if we are defeated.

    And finally, name any Muslim countries throughout the world that allow
    freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of
    the press, equal rights for anyone -- let alone everyone, equal status or
    any status for women, or that have been productive in one single way that
    contributes to the good of the world.

    This has been a long way of saying that we must be united on this war or
    we will be equated in the history books to the self-inflicted fall of the
    Roman Empire . If, that is, the Muslim leaders will allow history books
    to be written or read.

    If we don't win this war right now, keep a close eye on how the Muslims
    take over France in the next 5 years or less. They will continue to
    increase the Muslim population of France and continue to encroach little
    by little, on the established French traditions. The French will be
    fighting among themselves, over what should or should not be done, which
    will continue to weaken them and keep them from any united resolve.
    Doesn't that sound eerily familiar?

    Democracies don't have their freedoms taken away from them by some
    external military force. Instead, they give their freedoms away,
    politically correct piece by politically correct piece.

    And they are giving those freedoms away to those who have shown,
    worldwide that they abhor freedom and will not apply it to you or even to
    themselves, once they are in power.

    They have universally shown that when they have taken over, they then
    start brutally killing each other over who will be the few who control
    the masses. Will we ever stop hearing from the politically correct, about
    the "peaceful Muslims"?

    I close on a hopeful note, by repeating what I said above. If we are
    united, there is no way that we can lose. I hope now after the election,
    the factions in our country will begin to focus on the critical situation
    we are in, and will unite to save our country. It is your future we are
    talking about! Do whatever you can to preserve it.

    After reading the above, we all must do this not only for ourselves, but
    our children, our grandchildren, our country and the world

    Whether Democrat or Republican, conservative or liberal and that include
    the Politicians and media of our country and the free world!

    If you would like to see who this fellow is, go to this Air Force website and look him up.
  2. Annie

    Annie Diamond Member

    Nov 22, 2003
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    I agree with the Doctor. Islam has been at war with the West for a long time. We ignore their announcements at our peril.
  3. dmp

    dmp Senior Member

    May 12, 2004
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  4. rtwngAvngr

    rtwngAvngr Guest

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    I'm telling you guys, the entire western leadership has been bribed to forsake white people. So, call me names now.
  5. dmp

    dmp Senior Member

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  6. Eightball

    Eightball Senior Member

    Oct 13, 2004
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    So this was a bogus article that my uncle sent?

    This Dr. Chong fellow is fictitious?

    If so, I really apologize for presenting this article as a non-fiction piece of information.
    However, are the points taken by this alleged fictitious author, of any merit?
  7. Annie

    Annie Diamond Member

    Nov 22, 2003
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    Chong is real, here's what happened, from the Snopes link:

  8. Eightball

    Eightball Senior Member

    Oct 13, 2004
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    Thanks for setting things straight.
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