Is the senate a fair form of Governing?

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    When states had more rights it made more sense, but now states aren't really as sovereign in nature as they used to be. Therefore it is a skewed system of representational democracy when say senators from Rhode Island and Alaska have the same representational power as senators form California, Texas, Ohio, and New York.

    I'm up in the air about the issue, but please give me your thoughts.
     
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    Unless we're going to repeal the 17th Amendment, which is highly unlikely, we may as well abolish the Senate as it no longer serves the purpose for which it was created.
     
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    no, It's not. Congress is only there to make money now, not to do their jobs.
     
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    It's a pretty fundamental part of the compromise that formed the basis for creating the Federal Union and the Constitution in the first place. Scrapping that is a bit like deciding to go back on the essence of a deal you've made. As long as the US is going to remain a federal state some such mechanism will have to exist. So better keep it.
     
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    Seriously? You never studied the form and function of the US government (not to mention history)? Really?
     
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    That's why we have a bicameral legislature, TC.
     
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    We made a huge mistake taking the appointment of Senators away from the States.

    Having both the Senate and the House elected by popular vote directly influenced the erosion of state sovereignty referenced in the OP.
     
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    The states are every bit as sovereign now as they used to be, and, ultimately, hold sovereign power over the federal government.

    Never forget that the US is a group of 50 states, not one state with 50 divisions.
     
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    That's why we have the House of Representatives.
     
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    your opinion(s) are flawed. The States gave up some sovereignty. They are NOT as sovereign as they were before. Sovereign states could opt out, the states cannot opt out. We fought that battle before.

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    "The proposed Constitution therefore is in strictness neither a national nor a federal constitution; but a composition of both. In its foundation, it is federal, not national; in the sources from which the ordinary powers of the Government are drawn, it is partly federal, and partly national: in the operation of these powers, it is national, not federal: In the extent of them again, it is federal, not national: And finally, in the authoritative mode of introducing amendments, it is neither wholly federal, nor wholly national."

    Federal v. Consolidated Government: James Madison, Federalist, no. 39, 253--57


    "The framers of the U.S. Constitution sought to create a federal system that promotes strong national power in certain spheres, yet recognizes that the states are sovereign in other spheres. In "Federalist No. 46," James Madison asserted that the states and national government "are in fact but different agents and trustees of the people, constituted with different powers." Alexander Hamilton, writing in "Federalist No. 28," suggested that both levels of government would exercise authority to the citizens' benefit: "If their [the peoples'] rights are invaded by either, they can make use of the other as the instrument of redress." However, it soon became clear that Hamilton and Madison had different ideas about how the national government should work in practice. Hamilton, along with other "federalists" including Washington, Adams, and Marshall, sought to implement an expansive interpretation of national powers at the states' expense. Madison, along with other "states' rights" advocates including Thomas Jefferson, sought to bolster state powers."

    3. Federalism: U.S. v. The States, Topic Overview
     
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