Is science the only way to gain knowledge?

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    In other threads this issue seems to be coming up. I have always argued that there are more ways to know things than simply the scientific method. I've cited revelation, experience, faith, etc.

    Yet a number of people seem to think unless it's scientifically proven you can't know something. My opinion, whatever it's worth, is that it makes no sense to limit what you can know to the scientific method when most of the important things in life arent knowable by science.

    Can science prove if you love your spouse? Your family? Of course not.

    Do you not love them because science can't prove it?

    Can science prove someone guilty in a court of law? Sometimes, sometimes not. Are there other ways to do so? Of course.

    Why should we limit what we can learn to what science can prove? Why what we know be determined by whether someone in a lab can prove it to someone else?

    This is why science can never disprove faith. Because some knowledge exists outside the scope of the scientific method.
     
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    It's an interesting question. But first you have to work out what knowledge is. If we get that sorted then working out how to acquire it should be fairly straightforward, but one thing is clear, belief isn't knowledge.
     
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    Did you ever hear the phrase, "Because I'm the Mom, that's why." Enough said.
     
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    Actually, there's a flaw in your thinking, it's not a bad one because our resident "wisdom is evil and only information is important" moron thinks the same way. Science isn't actually what we use, your very last statement is actually more accurate, science is a method, not a source or result. The only way to advance anything is through these steps:

    1. Dream of something new.

    2. Use science to better understand it.

    3. Dream of a use for it.

    Notice, dreaming is more important than the science. Knowledge is a byproduct of these three steps.
     
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    How can it be both the goal and and a byproduct? The little kitten needs to rethink her words.
     
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    There's another of your many flaws, if knowledge is your goal, then you are missing the point of life.
     
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    Now you claim to be able to state an all-encompassing 'purpose to life' applicable to all persons at all times? :lol:

    Sorry to break to you, you stupid little feline, but there's no 'purpose' or reason to why life evolved or why we exist other than insomuch as the natural instinct to replicate is a purpose.
     
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    Hmm ... you never mentioned "purpose" ... you said "goal" ... there is a difference, the fact that you think they are the same demonstrates your lack of knowledge as well as understanding. I thought you knew everything ... or are you admitting you know nothing finally?

    However, attaining knowledge cannot be a purpose either as purpose isn't something you choose but requires a higher authority to grant it.
     
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    If you really believe that nobody can learn anything without knowledge being bestowed, you have highlighted you own ignorance and foolishness, as well as arguing for your own lack of intelligence and insight.
     

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