Is it "racist" and bad to communicate facts on race?

[IM2]

For example, would it be racist if one stated that black men are, on average, taller than Asian men?

Would it be racist to state that, statistically speaking, American Caucasians are more likely to be arrested for a crime than an Asian-American?

Benjamin Disreali said, "Mendacity comes in three forms.. Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics'.

When you guys pull these statistics out of your asses to support your racism and slander minorities, and call them "Facts", that is totally racist,dude.

Happy to have cleared this up for you.

Thanks. So it IS racist to say that black men are, on average, taller than Asian men, correct?

That is not a derogatory statement, and is evident with physical measurements to support it. It is clearly not meant to demean a race, for a hurtful, mean, racist reason.

Is it racist to share FBI crime statistics?

You really don't want to share those.

 

[IM2]

For example, would it be racist if one stated that black men are, on average, taller than Asian men?

Would it be racist to state that, statistically speaking, American Caucasians are more likely to be arrested for a crime than an Asian-American?

Only if you mention "per capita".

Per capita is inaccurate. You cannot blame an entire population for a specific act done. You can only blame the those committing the act and if that incudes race, the number of people specifically by that race committing the act.

 

[night_son]

For example, would it be racist if one stated that black men are, on average, taller than Asian men?

Would it be racist to state that, statistically speaking, American Caucasians are more likely to be arrested for a crime than an Asian-American?

Benjamin Disreali said, "Mendacity comes in three forms.. Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics'.

When you guys pull these statistics out of your asses to support your racism and slander minorities, and call them "Facts", that is totally racist,dude.

Happy to have cleared this up for you.

But Joe, what about the Abortion statistics you've thrown around? Guess they were just as mendacious, huh?

 

[Care4all]

For example, would it be racist if one stated that black men are, on average, taller than Asian men?

Would it be racist to state that, statistically speaking, American Caucasians are more likely to be arrested for a crime than an Asian-American?

Benjamin Disreali said, "Mendacity comes in three forms.. Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics'.

When you guys pull these statistics out of your asses to support your racism and slander minorities, and call them "Facts", that is totally racist,dude.

Happy to have cleared this up for you.

Thanks. So it IS racist to say that black men are, on average, taller than Asian men, correct?

That is not a derogatory statement, and is evident with physical measurements to support it. It is clearly not meant to demean a race, for a hurtful, mean, racist reason.

Is it racist to share FBI crime statistics?

It would depend on your purpose.... is it to demean, to ridicule, to be hateful, to try to make you feel better about yourself? Or is it to honestly and intelligently discuss the statistics and how the situation came about or what to do to improve those statistics?

 

[Correll]

For example, would it be racist if one stated that black men are, on average, taller than Asian men?

Would it be racist to state that, statistically speaking, American Caucasians are more likely to be arrested for a crime than an Asian-American?

Benjamin Disreali said, "Mendacity comes in three forms.. Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics'.

When you guys pull these statistics out of your asses to support your racism and slander minorities, and call them "Facts", that is totally racist,dude.

Happy to have cleared this up for you.

Thanks. So it IS racist to say that black men are, on average, taller than Asian men, correct?

That is not a derogatory statement, and is evident with physical measurements to support it. It is clearly not meant to demean a race, for a hurtful, mean, racist reason.

Is it racist to share FBI crime statistics?

It would depend on your purpose.... is it to demean, to ridicule, to be hateful, to try to make you feel better about yourself? Or is it to honestly and intelligently discuss the statistics and how the situation came about or what to do to improve those statistics?

So, it depends on your ability to read the mind of another person, whether or not what they say is racist.


Interesting.

 

[Montrovant]

For example, would it be racist if one stated that black men are, on average, taller than Asian men?

Would it be racist to state that, statistically speaking, American Caucasians are more likely to be arrested for a crime than an Asian-American?

Only if you mention "per capita".

Per capita is inaccurate. You cannot blame an entire population for a specific act done. You can only blame the those committing the act and if that incudes race, the number of people specifically by that race committing the act.

Wait, now you want to argue individualism?

 

[Montrovant]

For example, would it be racist if one stated that black men are, on average, taller than Asian men?

Would it be racist to state that, statistically speaking, American Caucasians are more likely to be arrested for a crime than an Asian-American?

Stating facts is never inherently racist. However, the context and intent behind the statements can be.

I don't see any particular way that saying black men are taller than Asian men would be used to promote racism, though.

 

[Montrovant]

Benjamin Disreali said, "Mendacity comes in three forms.. Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics'.

When you guys pull these statistics out of your asses to support your racism and slander minorities, and call them "Facts", that is totally racist,dude.

Happy to have cleared this up for you.

Thanks. So it IS racist to say that black men are, on average, taller than Asian men, correct?

That is not a derogatory statement, and is evident with physical measurements to support it. It is clearly not meant to demean a race, for a hurtful, mean, racist reason.

Is it racist to share FBI crime statistics?

It would depend on your purpose.... is it to demean, to ridicule, to be hateful, to try to make you feel better about yourself? Or is it to honestly and intelligently discuss the statistics and how the situation came about or what to do to improve those statistics?

So, it depends on your ability to read the mind of another person, whether or not what they say is racist.


Interesting.

That's not what she said. Whether or not someone's purpose is to promote a racist idea or agenda is not dependent on whether someone else realizes it.

 

[Care4all]

Benjamin Disreali said, "Mendacity comes in three forms.. Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics'.

When you guys pull these statistics out of your asses to support your racism and slander minorities, and call them "Facts", that is totally racist,dude.

Happy to have cleared this up for you.

Thanks. So it IS racist to say that black men are, on average, taller than Asian men, correct?

That is not a derogatory statement, and is evident with physical measurements to support it. It is clearly not meant to demean a race, for a hurtful, mean, racist reason.

Is it racist to share FBI crime statistics?

It would depend on your purpose.... is it to demean, to ridicule, to be hateful, to try to make you feel better about yourself? Or is it to honestly and intelligently discuss the statistics and how the situation came about or what to do to improve those statistics?

So, it depends on your ability to read the mind of another person, whether or not what they say is racist.


Interesting.

no reading minds to it, simply read what they said and posted...

easy as pie!

Words have meaning.... no guesswork is really needed!

 

[JoeB131]

Why are you calling me a racist?

Because you are right wing... It's just become an excuse for racism after all your other ideas were found to be stupid.

You guys had a chance to prove you weren't racist. You supported Trump.

 

[Dale Smith]

Why are you calling me a racist?

Because you are right wing... It's just become an excuse for racism after all your other ideas were found to be stupid.

You guys had a chance to prove you weren't racist. You supported Trump.

Slow Joe SEZ???? "You could have proven to me that you were not racist by voting for an old white commie woman like the Hildebeast and you failed do you hear me do you???"""

You see, Slow Joe sees racism hiding everywhere and only leftards (such as himself) can "sniff" it out.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

For example, would it be racist if one stated that black men are, on average, taller than Asian men?

Would it be racist to state that, statistically speaking, American Caucasians are more likely to be arrested for a crime than an Asian-American?

Stating facts is never inherently racist. However, the context and intent behind the statements can be.

I don't see any particular way that saying black men are taller than Asian men would be used to promote racism, though.

If they are being stated to justify and rationalize heinous behavior like chattel slavery in the the following example then yes it can be and in this case IS racist:

In citing slavery, South Carolina was less an outlier than a leader, setting the tone for other states, including Mississippi:

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery—the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization.
The Confederate Cause in the Words of Its Leaders - The Atlantic​

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[K9Buck]

Why are you calling me a racist?

Because you are right wing... It's just become an excuse for racism after all your other ideas were found to be stupid.

You guys had a chance to prove you weren't racist. You supported Trump.

So everyone that voted for Trump is a racist?

 

[IM2]

For example, would it be racist if one stated that black men are, on average, taller than Asian men?

Would it be racist to state that, statistically speaking, American Caucasians are more likely to be arrested for a crime than an Asian-American?

Only if you mention "per capita".

Per capita is inaccurate. You cannot blame an entire population for a specific act done. You can only blame the those committing the act and if that incudes race, the number of people specifically by that race committing the act.

Wait, now you want to argue individualism?

I am not arguing individualism. I am arguing about recording accurate group participation in crime.

"White insistence on Individualism in regards to racism in particular prevents crossracial understanding, denies the salience of race and racism in our lives, and serves to reinforce and maintain racist relations."

8 dynamics of Individualism as it pertains to racism:

Dynamic One: Denies the Significance of Race and the Advantages of Being White
Dynamic Two: Hides the Accumulation of Wealth over Generations
Dynamic Three: Denies Social and Historical Context
Dynamic Four: Prevents a Macro Analysis of the Institutional and Structural Dimensions of Social Life
Dynamic Five: Denies Collective Socialization and the Power of Dominant Culture (Media, Education, Religion, etc.) to Shape our Perspectives and Ideology
Dynamic Six: Functions as Neo-Colorblindness and Reproduces the Myth of Meritocracy
Dynamic Seven: Individualism, as Well as Universalism, is Only Culturally Available to the Dominant Group
Dynamic Eight: Makes Collective Action Difficult

"Given the ideology of Individualism, we see ourselves as different from one another and expect others to see us as different too. Not having a group consciousness, whites often respond defensively when associated with other whites, feeling unfairly generalized and “accused” of benefiting from racism (Picower, 2009).

Individualism prevents us from seeing ourselves as responsible for or accountable to other whites as members of a shared racial group who collectively profit from racism. Individualism allows whites to distance themselves from the actions of their racial group and demand to be granted the benefit of the doubt, as individuals, in all cases (DiAngelo, 2006a).

As individuals, we are not each other’s problems and we leave people of color in the position to challenge other white people. Challenging white people is much more difficult for people of color to do, for when people of color challenge whites they are often dismissed with a variety of accusations including: playing the race card, having a chip on their shoulder, seeing race in everything, or being oversensitive or angry (Applebaum, 2003; Bonilla-Silva, 2006)."

DiAngelo, Robin J, 'Why Can’t We All Just Be Individuals?": Countering the Discourse of Individualism in Antiracist Education

 

[JustAnotherNut]

For example, would it be racist if one stated that black men are, on average, taller than Asian men?

Would it be racist to state that, statistically speaking, American Caucasians are more likely to be arrested for a crime than an Asian-American?

Only if you mention "per capita".

Per capita is inaccurate. You cannot blame an entire population for a specific act done. You can only blame the those committing the act and if that incudes race, the number of people specifically by that race committing the act.

You do realize those statements works both ways, right?

 

[IM2]

For example, would it be racist if one stated that black men are, on average, taller than Asian men?

Would it be racist to state that, statistically speaking, American Caucasians are more likely to be arrested for a crime than an Asian-American?

Only if you mention "per capita".

Per capita is inaccurate. You cannot blame an entire population for a specific act done. You can only blame the those committing the act and if that incudes race, the number of people specifically by that race committing the act.

You do realize those statements works both ways, right?

You do realize I said that because whites commit the most crimes but per capita is used to deny that? Also the only reason why you make this claim is to use it to deny anything that shows whites continue committing acts of racism and that some of the crimes whites get away with is because of this belief based on per capita claims.

 

[JoeB131]

Slow Joe SEZ???? "You could have proven to me that you were not racist by voting for an old white commie woman like the Hildebeast and you failed do you hear me do you???"""

You see, Slow Joe sees racism hiding everywhere and only leftards (such as himself) can "sniff" it out.

Yeah, Hillary was a commie who was supported by most of Wall Street. That's how "commie" she was.

But I'm sure you enlighten us about how this was all the evil plan of the Trilateralists/Bilderbergers/Lizard People who want to use Chem Trails to make you gay and take your guns... or something.

Now please take your medications like the nice doctor says.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

For example, would it be racist if one stated that black men are, on average, taller than Asian men?

Would it be racist to state that, statistically speaking, American Caucasians are more likely to be arrested for a crime than an Asian-American?

Only if you mention "per capita".

Per capita is inaccurate. You cannot blame an entire population for a specific act done. You can only blame the those committing the act and if that incudes race, the number of people specifically by that race committing the act.

You do realize those statements works both ways, right?

You do realize I said that because whites commit the most crimes but per capita is used to deny that? Also the only reason why you make this claim is to use it to deny anything that shows whites continue committing acts of racism and that some of the crimes whites get away with is because of this belief based on per capita claims.

wtf are you talking about?

My comment was to address the fact that as you were claiming 'You cannot blame an entire population for a specific act done. You can only blame those committing the act and if that includes race, the number of people specifically by that race committing the act' also meant blacks that claim all whites are racists, are white supremacists, whites are privileged and whites discriminate against blacks is just as unfair.

IOW, don't blame all your troubles on all whites, only blame the few whites that actually did something to you. and not to others...….just like you said and I responded, it works both ways

 

[JoeB131]

So everyone that voted for Trump is a racist?

Pretty much.

 

[IM2]

For example, would it be racist if one stated that black men are, on average, taller than Asian men?

Would it be racist to state that, statistically speaking, American Caucasians are more likely to be arrested for a crime than an Asian-American?

Only if you mention "per capita".

Per capita is inaccurate. You cannot blame an entire population for a specific act done. You can only blame the those committing the act and if that incudes race, the number of people specifically by that race committing the act.

You do realize those statements works both ways, right?

You do realize I said that because whites commit the most crimes but per capita is used to deny that? Also the only reason why you make this claim is to use it to deny anything that shows whites continue committing acts of racism and that some of the crimes whites get away with is because of this belief based on per capita claims.

wtf are you talking about?

My comment was to address the fact that as you were claiming 'You cannot blame an entire population for a specific act done. You can only blame those committing the act and if that includes race, the number of people specifically by that race committing the act' also meant blacks that claim all whites are racists, are white supremacists, whites are privileged and whites discriminate against blacks is just as unfair.

IOW, don't blame all your troubles on all whites, only blame the few whites that actually did something to you. and not to others...….just like you said and I responded, it works both ways

"White insistence on Individualism in regards to racism in particular prevents crossracial understanding, denies the salience of race and racism in our lives, and serves to reinforce and maintain racist relations."

8 dynamics of Individualism as it pertains to racism:

Dynamic One: Denies the Significance of Race and the Advantages of Being White
Dynamic Two: Hides the Accumulation of Wealth over Generations
Dynamic Three: Denies Social and Historical Context
Dynamic Four: Prevents a Macro Analysis of the Institutional and Structural Dimensions of Social Life
Dynamic Five: Denies Collective Socialization and the Power of Dominant Culture (Media, Education, Religion, etc.) to Shape our Perspectives and Ideology
Dynamic Six: Functions as Neo-Colorblindness and Reproduces the Myth of Meritocracy
Dynamic Seven: Individualism, as Well as Universalism, is Only Culturally Available to the Dominant Group
Dynamic Eight: Makes Collective Action Difficult

"Given the ideology of Individualism, we see ourselves as different from one another and expect others to see us as different too. Not having a group consciousness, whites often respond defensively when associated with other whites, feeling unfairly generalized and “accused” of benefiting from racism (Picower, 2009).

Individualism prevents us from seeing ourselves as responsible for or accountable to other whites as members of a shared racial group who collectively profit from racism. Individualism allows whites to distance themselves from the actions of their racial group and demand to be granted the benefit of the doubt, as individuals, in all cases (DiAngelo, 2006a).

As individuals, we are not each other’s problems and we leave people of color in the position to challenge other white people. Challenging white people is much more difficult for people of color to do, for when people of color challenge whites they are often dismissed with a variety of accusations including: playing the race card, having a chip on their shoulder, seeing race in everything, or being oversensitive or angry (Applebaum, 2003; Bonilla-Silva, 2006)."

DiAngelo, Robin J, 'Why Can’t We All Just Be Individuals?": Countering the Discourse of Individualism in Antiracist Education