Iraqi Security Forces Prepare for the Imperative Siege of Fallujah

[Bleipriester]

The proxy army cannot hold its occupied territory. Their offensives in Syria aren´t successful and now, the Iraqi army prepares to push the proxy army out of Fallujah.

"The Iraqi Security Forces (ISF) have recovered from their loss at Al-Ramadi (provincial capital of the Al-‘Anbar Governorate) in April of 2015, thanks in large part to the development and mobilization of the civilian-led paramilitary force “Hash’d Al-Sha’abi” – a militia that played an integral role in the capture of Tikrit earlier this year.

Now, the Iraqi Army – in coordination with Liwaa Al-Badr (Badr Brigades), Al-Anbari tribesmen, and Hash’d Al-Sha’abi – are preparing for the imperative siege of Fallujah; this comes at a time when the Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham (ISIS) finds itself spread too thin around Iraq and Syria, despite their prevalent offensives.


The Iraqi Army and their allies did not waste any time attacking the strategic town of Al-Saqlawiyah in the northwestern countryside of Fallujah; thus preparing for their eventual siege.

The capture of Al-Saqlawiyah will provide the Iraq Armed Forces access to the Amman-Baghdad Highway that leads to the eastern district of Fallujah and eventually 35km east to the Baghdad International Airport.

If the Iraqi Armed Forces capture Fallujah; this will create a dilemma for the ISIS fighters entrenched at the city of Karma, due to their isolation from the terrorist group’s critical supply routes in the Al-‘Anbar Governorate.

Should the Iraqi Armed Forces capture Karma and Fallujah, the nations capital of Baghdad will no longer be striking distance for the militants of ISIS and their allies."

Iraqi Security Forces Prepare for the Imperative Siege of Fallujah

 

[waltky]

How tough will it be to recapture Falluja from IS?...

Iraq crisis: How tough will it be to take Falluja from IS?
Mon, 23 May 2016 - Iraqi pro-government forces are marching to Falluja to attempt to seize the city back from IS, but what kind of challenge can they expect from the jihadists?

The battle for Falluja, which has been looming for months, seems to be finally under way. The city has been attacked many times and bombed and shelled almost incessantly since it fell into the militants' hands in January 2014. It has withstood all that, despite huge destruction and many casualties. Now the government has committed itself to "liberating" the city once and for all, in an operation codenamed "Break Terrorism". Thousands of troops, special forces, Shia militias and Sunni tribal fighters have been marshalled for the offensive, and the Prime Minister has declared that "a moment of great victory" is imminent. But there are conflicting assessments of how tough the battle will be. Some believe that IS has taken such a pounding in the town that its ability to resist has been sapped. Others, in touch with sources inside the beleaguered city, say the militants have long been preparing to face such an offensive and have deployed their full array of defences, including many roadside bombs and booby traps.

Weeks of fighting ahead

Most of the IS fighters are believed to be from Falluja itself or nearby areas such as Jurf al-Sakhr, which have been overrun and occupied by Iranian-backed Shia militias. So they are fighting on home turf, and, as some will see it, for their Sunni community - although some of the attacking forces will be Sunni tribesmen, some of them thirsting to avenge IS excesses. There is no clear view of how much resistance the militants will put up. But even optimists on the government side believe the battle will last at least two or three weeks. The most recent similar offensive was at Ramadi, the provincial capital of al-Anbar province which also includes Falluja. The government declared victory there in early January when its forces entered Ramadi city centre, but it took several weeks to secure the adjacent suburbs and outlying areas.

Iraqi pro-government forces advance towards the city of Falluja​

The path to Mosul

The loss of such an iconic prize as Falluja would be a considerable blow to IS. Controlling the main highway from Baghdad to both Jordan and Syria, the city has always been a hotbed of Sunni defiance. It became a symbol of resistance to the Americans in violent battles in 2004 which left massive destruction and thousands dead. When IS seized it in January 2014, Falluja was already in a state of revolt against the central government. If it falls back to the government quickly and relatively easily, Baghdad will be encouraged to divert more troops and resources northwards to the biggest challenge of all, the battle for Mosul. But even if IS loses at Falluja, inflicting heavy losses on the attacking forces - especially the elite Counter Terrorism Force - could set back hopes of a campaign to recapture Mosul this year.

Sectarian consequences

Falluja will also be important as a template for which forces take part in such operations and who holds the ground afterwards. Iranian-backed Shia militias, grouped at least nominally as official "Popular Mobilisation" auxiliary forces, are taking part in the "Break Terrorism" campaign. But there is supposedly an agreement that they will play a perimeter role and not be deployed in Falluja itself, out of concern for the sectarian consequences. In previous offensives where they have played a leading role, in the Diyala and Tikrit areas east and north of Baghdad, the Shia militias have been accused of revenge killings and destroying Sunni property. If Falluja is left virtually demolished by the operation and the population largely displaced, that will also not augur well for a campaign to regain Mosul, another largely Sunni conurbation.

Iraq crisis: How tough will it be to take Falluja from IS? - BBC News

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The Latest: UN says 50,000 civilians in Fallujah at risk
May 23,`16 -- The Latest on a violent day in the Middle East, with deadly bombings in Syria and Yemen and the start of an Iraqi government offensive to retake the city of Fallujah from the Islamic State group (all times local):

10:00 p.m.

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon says there is "a great risk" to about 50,000 civilians the U.N. estimates are still in Fallujah, especially for those trying to flee the Iraqi government offensive to retake the city from the Islamic State extremist group. U.N. spokesman Stephane Dujarric said Monday "it's important that they have some safe corridors that they could use." He called the situation in and around Fallujah "very fluid." The United Nations is providing emergency assistance including water, shelter and food to those who make it out, Dujarric told reporters in New York. He said authorities are transporting a lot of displaced woman and children to Amiriyat al Fallujah, about 30 miles south of Fallujah, while men and boys are reportedly being transported by Iraqi authorities to central Anbar for security screening.

8:30 p.m.

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has condemned attacks on civilians in the Syrian coastal cities of Jableh and Tartus, where explosions killed more than 80 people and wounded 200. Spokesman Stephane Dujarric said Monday that Ban was especially concerned about escalating military activity in and around Damascus and Homs, which is causing a rising number of civilian casualties. Dujarric says the secretary-general called on all parties to refrain from attacks on civilians and called for the perpetrators to be held responsible.

6:30 p.m.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has sent a telegram to Syrian President Bashar Assad conveying his condolences over the deaths of civilians and confirming Russia's readiness to continue supporting its "Syrian partners." The Kremlin said Putin on Monday "stressed that this tragedy has become further evidence of the barbarian and inhuman nature of the terrorist groups that have unleashed bloody war against the Syrian people." "The president of Russia once again confirmed a readiness to continue cooperation with the Syrian partners in countering the terrorist threat and expressed confidence that the criminals who stained their hands with the blood of innocent victims will not escape retribution." The series of coordinated explosions on Monday morning killed more than 80 people and wounded 200 in the normally quiet coastal government strongholds of Tartus and Jableh. The blasts were the first of their kind targeting civilians in those areas.

3:30 p.m.

Iraq's Prime Minister has hailed "big successes" by troops, hours after launching a military operation to recapture the Islamic State-held city of Fallujah. Wearing the black uniform of Iraq's counter-terrorism forces, Haider al-Abadi visited Fallujah Operation Command Monday morning and met with commanders. He says the offensive achieved "more than what was planned for," without elaborating on the operation. He says that the offensive was planned to start more than two months ago, but was delayed due to political infighting and the deteriorating security situation inside Baghdad. Backed by U.S.-led coalition airstrikes and paramilitary troops, Iraqi government forces launched the long-awaited military offensive on Fallujah late Sunday night. The city, located about 40 miles (65 kilometers) west of Baghdad, has been under the militants' control since January 2014.

2.00 p.m.

 

[waltky]

Iraqi forces make progress toward Fallujah...

Iraqi forces retake town of Karma from Islamic State, close in on Fallujah
May 26, 2016 -- Iraqi security forces have seized the town of Karma out of the clutches of the Islamic State as fighting for control of the city of Fallujah intensifies.

Karma is about 10 miles northeast of Fallujah. The majority of territory east of Fallujah is now under the control of the Iraqi government and its allies. In a statement on Thursday, Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi announced the "liberation of al-Karma" as he congratulated the people of Iraq and ordered security forces to protect civilians. "We are all united to liberate Fallujah and save its people from the terror of ISIS," Abadi later said using an alternate acronym for the militant group. The recapture of Fallujah could take weeks or months as there are many landmines surrounding the city.

The Iraqi security forces' offensive to retake Fallujah, supported by U.S.-led coalition airstrikes, began on Monday. The offensive is joined by Iraqi counter-terrorism forces, Iraqi police, tribal fighters and the Popular Mobilization Forces Shiite militia group. Fallujah, about 40 miles west of Baghdad, has been under Islamic State control since early 2014. "We retook this area two days ago, then we pushed ahead and arrived in Karma," an Iraqi Army commander said, EURONews reported. "There were concrete walls built by the extremists. We broke them down and drove the enemy out. They are now using rocket shells and snipers to resist our advance but we believe we will soon recapture Fallujah."

The Islamic State has reportedly killed civilians as they attempted to flee the city. The U.N. refugee agency has set up camps near Fallujah to accommodate escaping families. Fleeing families have reported that the Islamic State has used civilian hostages as human shields. The city, once populated by about 300,000 people, is now home to about 100,000 after years of war. The United Nations warns that residents face starvation due to food shortages and high prices.

Iraqi forces retake town of Karma from Islamic State, close in on Fallujah

See also:

Families Fleeing Iraq’s Fallujah in ‘State of Shock’
May 26, 2016 — Residents fleeing the fierce fighting between Iraqi forces and Islamic State (IS) militants in Fallujah are in a "state of shock", reeling from the gunfire and months of near-starvation.

According to the Norwegian Refugee Council (NRC), which has teams receiving those who manage to escape, the humanitarian situation in the city is desperate. "Fighting has intensified, but there are still no safe routes out of Fallujah for the trapped civilians," NRC said in a statement Thursday. Iraqi forces are now converging on the city from three different directions. Initial reports said the forces had met stiff resistance from IS fighters. The city has been under siege for almost six months, and little or no aid has gone in. "The stories coming out of Fallujah are horrifying," NRC Iraq country director Nasr Muflahi said. "People who managed to flee speak of extreme hunger and starvation." "The newly arrived are in a state of shock," the NRC said.

Smoke rises after bombing targets Islamic State positions in Fallujah, Iraq, May 24, 2016. The humanitarian situation in the city is reportedly desperate, with no safe routes for civilians to escape.​

No safe way out

Plans set out by the Iraqi government to provide civilians with safe corridors to leave the city reportedly have not worked. IS has also reportedly laced the roads with explosives, making escape that much more difficult. "We will tear down the black flags of these despicable strangers who abducted this dear city. The time has come to liberate Fallujah and the victory will be ours," Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi said Sunday. The Iraqi army is backed by U.S. coalition airstrikes, a contingent of Sunni fighters, and a large number of Shi'ite militias.

Fear for civilian safety

Iraq's top Shi'ite cleric has called on the government and militia forces to spare the civilians trapped in the city. The call was echoed by Abadi, Iraq’s minister of defense and the Popular Mobilization Commission that oversees the militias, and was welcomed by U.N. Special Envoy to Iraq Jan Kubis, who has also urged all parties in the fight to protect the lives of civilians. "The people of Fallujah have suffered tremendously and the liberation should not add more suffering and destruction of property. Innocent civilians should not pay the price for the crimes of Daesh," Kubis said in a statement, using a local term for the extremist group IS. Human rights organizations in the past have accused Shi'ite militias of reprisal killings.

A man inspects the damage at his home after a bombing in Fallujah, 40 miles (65 kilometers) west of Baghdad, Iraq, May 24, 2016. Clashes between Iraqi forces and Islamic State militants have trapped countless civilians in the city.​

Iraqi officials have been separating and screening the men from the families who have escaped to make sure none of them belong to IS. "Anyone who leaves now, the occupied territory, should be very meticulously scrutinized and go through a security vetting procedure," Shia lawmaker and former National Security Advisor Mowaffak al Rubaie told VOA. But he acknowledged the system is open to possible misconduct. "It is very difficult to strike a balance between human rights violations and applying a vetting procedure. But security is paramount," Rubaie said. According to the United Nations, humanitarian agencies have been gearing up for weeks to provide protection, shelter, water, health care and food to those fleeing the city.

Families Fleeing Iraq’s Fallujah in ‘State of Shock’

 

[Weatherman2020]

The proxy army cannot hold its occupied territory. Their offensives in Syria aren´t successful and now, the Iraqi army prepares to push the proxy army out of Fallujah.

"The Iraqi Security Forces (ISF) have recovered from their loss at Al-Ramadi (provincial capital of the Al-‘Anbar Governorate) in April of 2015, thanks in large part to the development and mobilization of the civilian-led paramilitary force “Hash’d Al-Sha’abi” – a militia that played an integral role in the capture of Tikrit earlier this year.

Now, the Iraqi Army – in coordination with Liwaa Al-Badr (Badr Brigades), Al-Anbari tribesmen, and Hash’d Al-Sha’abi – are preparing for the imperative siege of Fallujah; this comes at a time when the Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham (ISIS) finds itself spread too thin around Iraq and Syria, despite their prevalent offensives.


The Iraqi Army and their allies did not waste any time attacking the strategic town of Al-Saqlawiyah in the northwestern countryside of Fallujah; thus preparing for their eventual siege.

The capture of Al-Saqlawiyah will provide the Iraq Armed Forces access to the Amman-Baghdad Highway that leads to the eastern district of Fallujah and eventually 35km east to the Baghdad International Airport.

If the Iraqi Armed Forces capture Fallujah; this will create a dilemma for the ISIS fighters entrenched at the city of Karma, due to their isolation from the terrorist group’s critical supply routes in the Al-‘Anbar Governorate.

Should the Iraqi Armed Forces capture Karma and Fallujah, the nations capital of Baghdad will no longer be striking distance for the militants of ISIS and their allies."

Iraqi Security Forces Prepare for the Imperative Siege of Fallujah

Just like Normandy when the government publicly announced in advance what beaches and towns would be attacked. Who said Obama doesn't want to win?

 

[Bleipriester]

The proxy army cannot hold its occupied territory. Their offensives in Syria aren´t successful and now, the Iraqi army prepares to push the proxy army out of Fallujah.

"The Iraqi Security Forces (ISF) have recovered from their loss at Al-Ramadi (provincial capital of the Al-‘Anbar Governorate) in April of 2015, thanks in large part to the development and mobilization of the civilian-led paramilitary force “Hash’d Al-Sha’abi” – a militia that played an integral role in the capture of Tikrit earlier this year.

Now, the Iraqi Army – in coordination with Liwaa Al-Badr (Badr Brigades), Al-Anbari tribesmen, and Hash’d Al-Sha’abi – are preparing for the imperative siege of Fallujah; this comes at a time when the Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham (ISIS) finds itself spread too thin around Iraq and Syria, despite their prevalent offensives.


The Iraqi Army and their allies did not waste any time attacking the strategic town of Al-Saqlawiyah in the northwestern countryside of Fallujah; thus preparing for their eventual siege.

The capture of Al-Saqlawiyah will provide the Iraq Armed Forces access to the Amman-Baghdad Highway that leads to the eastern district of Fallujah and eventually 35km east to the Baghdad International Airport.

If the Iraqi Armed Forces capture Fallujah; this will create a dilemma for the ISIS fighters entrenched at the city of Karma, due to their isolation from the terrorist group’s critical supply routes in the Al-‘Anbar Governorate.

Should the Iraqi Armed Forces capture Karma and Fallujah, the nations capital of Baghdad will no longer be striking distance for the militants of ISIS and their allies."

Iraqi Security Forces Prepare for the Imperative Siege of Fallujah

Just like Normandy when the government publicly announced in advance what beaches and towns would be attacked. Who said Obama doesn't want to win?

If the Germans would have known which beaches would be attacked, the attacks would have been great failures. In addition was it Rommel who kept his tank forces away from the battles in the Normandy. This is why he fell into disgrace.

 

[numan]

'
I thought it was snoozing Hitler who prevented the tanks from being deployed promptly. ....

I have watched a TV series on "Nazi Megaweapons". .... The amount of reinforced concrete wasted on the "Atlantic Wall" !!! -- and on a number of other megaprojects!!

It's enough to make one think that the War was planned by cement and construction contractors in Germany to make obscene profits !!
.

 

[Bleipriester]

'
I thought it was snoozing Hitler who prevented the tanks from being deployed promptly. ....

I have watched a TV series on "Nazi Megaweapons". .... The amount of reinforced concrete wasted on the "Atlantic Wall" !!! -- and on a number of other megaprojects!!

It's enough to make one think that the War was planned by cement and construction contractors in Germany to make obscene profits !!
.

It was Hitler who misestimated where the allies would land.

 

[numan]

'
I thought it was snoozing Hitler who prevented the tanks from being deployed promptly. ....

I have watched a TV series on "Nazi Megaweapons". .... The amount of reinforced concrete wasted on the "Atlantic Wall" !!! -- and on a number of other megaprojects!!

It's enough to make one think that the War was planned by cement and construction contractors in Germany to make obscene profits !!
.

It was Hitler who misestimated where the allies would land.

In fairness, the Allies did all they could to confuse Hitler as to where the attack would come.

But I still come back to all the money and resources wasted on reinforced concrete for the Atlantic Wall !!

If the money had gone into building ME 262s and other aircraft (and not those silly V-1s and V-2s!!), then there would have been no invasion and Allied bombers over Germany would have been blasted from the skies!
.

 

[Bleipriester]

'
I thought it was snoozing Hitler who prevented the tanks from being deployed promptly. ....

I have watched a TV series on "Nazi Megaweapons". .... The amount of reinforced concrete wasted on the "Atlantic Wall" !!! -- and on a number of other megaprojects!!

It's enough to make one think that the War was planned by cement and construction contractors in Germany to make obscene profits !!
.

It was Hitler who misestimated where the allies would land.

In fairness, the Allies did all they could to confuse Hitler as to where the attack would come.

But I still come back to all the money and resources wasted on reinforced concrete for the Atlantic Wall !!

If the money had gone into building ME 262s and other aircraft (and not those silly V-1s and V-2s!!), then there would have been no invasion and Allied bombers over Germany would have been blasted from the skies!
.

I am not sure, if saving concrete leads to more aircraft.

 

[numan]

'
I thought it was snoozing Hitler who prevented the tanks from being deployed promptly. ....

I have watched a TV series on "Nazi Megaweapons". .... The amount of reinforced concrete wasted on the "Atlantic Wall" !!! -- and on a number of other megaprojects!!

It's enough to make one think that the War was planned by cement and construction contractors in Germany to make obscene profits !!
.

It was Hitler who misestimated where the allies would land.

In fairness, the Allies did all they could to confuse Hitler as to where the attack would come.

But I still come back to all the money and resources wasted on reinforced concrete for the Atlantic Wall !!

If the money had gone into building ME 262s and other aircraft (and not those silly V-1s and V-2s!!), then there would have been no invasion and Allied bombers over Germany would have been blasted from the skies!
.

I am not sure, if saving concrete leads to more aircraft.

You would have to see for yourself the incredible mega-waste of reinforced concrete that Hitler decreed. It is simply staggering.

Saving the money and the resources could certainly have led to more aircraft, if Hitler had possessed the brains that God gave him. But what can you expect? He was born in 1889, and was essentially a 19th century man, and not a 20th century man.

I have read that the British high command said that their greatest ally was Hitler, and his incompetent decisions.
.

 

[Roudy]

'
I thought it was snoozing Hitler who prevented the tanks from being deployed promptly. ....

I have watched a TV series on "Nazi Megaweapons". .... The amount of reinforced concrete wasted on the "Atlantic Wall" !!! -- and on a number of other megaprojects!!

It's enough to make one think that the War was planned by cement and construction contractors in Germany to make obscene profits !!
.

It was Hitler who misestimated where the allies would land.

Misestimated? Ha ha ha.

 

[ogibillm]

'
I thought it was snoozing Hitler who prevented the tanks from being deployed promptly. ....

I have watched a TV series on "Nazi Megaweapons". .... The amount of reinforced concrete wasted on the "Atlantic Wall" !!! -- and on a number of other megaprojects!!

It's enough to make one think that the War was planned by cement and construction contractors in Germany to make obscene profits !!
.

it really is amazing what they could do with concrete

 

[TheOldSchool]

The proxy army cannot hold its occupied territory. Their offensives in Syria aren´t successful and now, the Iraqi army prepares to push the proxy army out of Fallujah.

"The Iraqi Security Forces (ISF) have recovered from their loss at Al-Ramadi (provincial capital of the Al-‘Anbar Governorate) in April of 2015, thanks in large part to the development and mobilization of the civilian-led paramilitary force “Hash’d Al-Sha’abi” – a militia that played an integral role in the capture of Tikrit earlier this year.

Now, the Iraqi Army – in coordination with Liwaa Al-Badr (Badr Brigades), Al-Anbari tribesmen, and Hash’d Al-Sha’abi – are preparing for the imperative siege of Fallujah; this comes at a time when the Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham (ISIS) finds itself spread too thin around Iraq and Syria, despite their prevalent offensives.


The Iraqi Army and their allies did not waste any time attacking the strategic town of Al-Saqlawiyah in the northwestern countryside of Fallujah; thus preparing for their eventual siege.

The capture of Al-Saqlawiyah will provide the Iraq Armed Forces access to the Amman-Baghdad Highway that leads to the eastern district of Fallujah and eventually 35km east to the Baghdad International Airport.

If the Iraqi Armed Forces capture Fallujah; this will create a dilemma for the ISIS fighters entrenched at the city of Karma, due to their isolation from the terrorist group’s critical supply routes in the Al-‘Anbar Governorate.

Should the Iraqi Armed Forces capture Karma and Fallujah, the nations capital of Baghdad will no longer be striking distance for the militants of ISIS and their allies."

Iraqi Security Forces Prepare for the Imperative Siege of Fallujah

Just like Normandy when the government publicly announced in advance what beaches and towns would be attacked. Who said Obama doesn't want to win?

If the Germans would have known which beaches would be attacked, the attacks would have been great failures. In addition was it Rommel who kept his tank forces away from the battles in the Normandy. This is why he fell into disgrace.

Good thing for the world the Germans were fooled and crushed

 

[ogibillm]

The proxy army cannot hold its occupied territory. Their offensives in Syria aren´t successful and now, the Iraqi army prepares to push the proxy army out of Fallujah.

"The Iraqi Security Forces (ISF) have recovered from their loss at Al-Ramadi (provincial capital of the Al-‘Anbar Governorate) in April of 2015, thanks in large part to the development and mobilization of the civilian-led paramilitary force “Hash’d Al-Sha’abi” – a militia that played an integral role in the capture of Tikrit earlier this year.

Now, the Iraqi Army – in coordination with Liwaa Al-Badr (Badr Brigades), Al-Anbari tribesmen, and Hash’d Al-Sha’abi – are preparing for the imperative siege of Fallujah; this comes at a time when the Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham (ISIS) finds itself spread too thin around Iraq and Syria, despite their prevalent offensives.


The Iraqi Army and their allies did not waste any time attacking the strategic town of Al-Saqlawiyah in the northwestern countryside of Fallujah; thus preparing for their eventual siege.

The capture of Al-Saqlawiyah will provide the Iraq Armed Forces access to the Amman-Baghdad Highway that leads to the eastern district of Fallujah and eventually 35km east to the Baghdad International Airport.

If the Iraqi Armed Forces capture Fallujah; this will create a dilemma for the ISIS fighters entrenched at the city of Karma, due to their isolation from the terrorist group’s critical supply routes in the Al-‘Anbar Governorate.

Should the Iraqi Armed Forces capture Karma and Fallujah, the nations capital of Baghdad will no longer be striking distance for the militants of ISIS and their allies."

Iraqi Security Forces Prepare for the Imperative Siege of Fallujah

Just like Normandy when the government publicly announced in advance what beaches and towns would be attacked. Who said Obama doesn't want to win?

dumbest. analogy. ever.

 

[Bleipriester]

'
I thought it was snoozing Hitler who prevented the tanks from being deployed promptly. ....

I have watched a TV series on "Nazi Megaweapons". .... The amount of reinforced concrete wasted on the "Atlantic Wall" !!! -- and on a number of other megaprojects!!

It's enough to make one think that the War was planned by cement and construction contractors in Germany to make obscene profits !!
.

It was Hitler who misestimated where the allies would land.

In fairness, the Allies did all they could to confuse Hitler as to where the attack would come.

But I still come back to all the money and resources wasted on reinforced concrete for the Atlantic Wall !!

If the money had gone into building ME 262s and other aircraft (and not those silly V-1s and V-2s!!), then there would have been no invasion and Allied bombers over Germany would have been blasted from the skies!
.

I am not sure, if saving concrete leads to more aircraft.

You would have to see for yourself the incredible mega-waste of reinforced concrete that Hitler decreed. It is simply staggering.

Saving the money and the resources could certainly have led to more aircraft, if Hitler had possessed the brains that God gave him. But what can you expect? He was born in 1889, and was essentially a 19th century man, and not a 20th century man.

I have read that the British high command said that their greatest ally was Hitler, and his incompetent decisions.
.

In the war, the relevant companies were combined to government controlled cartels. Not only did this unity economy body grant the maximum security of supply but also had it the big advantage that it does not really cost something to get things done.

 

[Bleipriester]

'
I thought it was snoozing Hitler who prevented the tanks from being deployed promptly. ....

I have watched a TV series on "Nazi Megaweapons". .... The amount of reinforced concrete wasted on the "Atlantic Wall" !!! -- and on a number of other megaprojects!!

It's enough to make one think that the War was planned by cement and construction contractors in Germany to make obscene profits !!
.

It was Hitler who misestimated where the allies would land.

Misestimated? Ha ha ha.

Forces were concentrated were Hitler expected the attack.

 

[Bleipriester]

The proxy army cannot hold its occupied territory. Their offensives in Syria aren´t successful and now, the Iraqi army prepares to push the proxy army out of Fallujah.

"The Iraqi Security Forces (ISF) have recovered from their loss at Al-Ramadi (provincial capital of the Al-‘Anbar Governorate) in April of 2015, thanks in large part to the development and mobilization of the civilian-led paramilitary force “Hash’d Al-Sha’abi” – a militia that played an integral role in the capture of Tikrit earlier this year.

Now, the Iraqi Army – in coordination with Liwaa Al-Badr (Badr Brigades), Al-Anbari tribesmen, and Hash’d Al-Sha’abi – are preparing for the imperative siege of Fallujah; this comes at a time when the Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham (ISIS) finds itself spread too thin around Iraq and Syria, despite their prevalent offensives.


The Iraqi Army and their allies did not waste any time attacking the strategic town of Al-Saqlawiyah in the northwestern countryside of Fallujah; thus preparing for their eventual siege.

The capture of Al-Saqlawiyah will provide the Iraq Armed Forces access to the Amman-Baghdad Highway that leads to the eastern district of Fallujah and eventually 35km east to the Baghdad International Airport.

If the Iraqi Armed Forces capture Fallujah; this will create a dilemma for the ISIS fighters entrenched at the city of Karma, due to their isolation from the terrorist group’s critical supply routes in the Al-‘Anbar Governorate.

Should the Iraqi Armed Forces capture Karma and Fallujah, the nations capital of Baghdad will no longer be striking distance for the militants of ISIS and their allies."

Iraqi Security Forces Prepare for the Imperative Siege of Fallujah

Just like Normandy when the government publicly announced in advance what beaches and towns would be attacked. Who said Obama doesn't want to win?

If the Germans would have known which beaches would be attacked, the attacks would have been great failures. In addition was it Rommel who kept his tank forces away from the battles in the Normandy. This is why he fell into disgrace.

Good thing for the world the Germans were fooled and crushed

The Sowjets would have overwhelmed the Germans anyway.

 

[numan]

The Sowjets would have overwhelmed the Germans anyway.

I agree with you. Hitler's lulu of a mistake was invading the USSR -- at least when he did.
He was getting all sorts of vital supplies up until then from the Russians. He threw all that away to feed his paranoid fantasies.
Had he concentrated on eliminating Britain first -- especially if he had eliminated British airbases, which he had almost accomplished, instead of wasting his efforts on bombing cities -- there would have been no Giant Aircraft Carrier Britain to support the Yanks and the Russians, and history would have been different.

But I don't think history would have been all that different -- especially by this point in the next century.
Sure, Jews and East Europeans would have suffered a bit more, and Vietnamese and Middle Easterners a bit less, but about the same number of people would have been murdered and tortured by the horrible people who run this world.
.

 

[Bleipriester]

The Sowjets would have overwhelmed the Germans anyway.

I agree with you. Hitler's lulu of a mistake was invading the USSR -- at least when he did.
He was getting all sorts of vital supplies up until then from the Russians. He threw all that away to feed his paranoid fantasies.
Had he concentrated on eliminating Britain first -- especially if he had eliminated British airbases, which he had almost accomplished, instead of wasting his efforts on bombing cities -- there would have been no Giant Aircraft Carrier Britain to support the Yanks and the Russians, and history would have been different.

But I don't think history would have been all that different -- especially by this point in the next century.
Sure, Jews and East Europeans would have suffered a bit more, and Vietnamese and Middle Easterners a bit less, but about the same number of people would have been murdered and tortured by the horrible people who run this world.
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I am not sure if peace with Stalin was an option. Sowjet troops were amassing along the demarcation line and the German soldiers said they were rushing into Sowjet war preparations. The first two weeks of the Russia war caused more casualties of the Wehrmacht than the other war zones till then combined. The Germans simply could not keep up with the Russian production and troop masses after they failed to crush the Sowjet government.

 

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Well, you are closer to the scene of the crime, and perhaps you are right -- but all of the scholarly propaganda that I have read says that the Russians were completely unprepared for the German invasion and that Stalin went into mental collapse because he was not at all expecting war with Germany -- at least, not at that time.

No doubt we are both subjected to propaganda which, with the best will in the world, we cannot completely protect ourselves from -- yet the fact remains that it was Hitler who made the first move (which he seems to have been planning for a long time) and not the Russkis.
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