Internet attacks on 9/11 Truth intensify

Commander Ted Muga, U.S. Navy (ret) – Retired Naval aviator (Grumman E-1 and E-2). Retired Pan-Am commercial airline pilot (Boeing 707 and 727).
Interview Alex Jones Show 4/11/07:

Alex Jones: Recap Hani Hanjour's maneuver, what they claim -- go through the maneuver they claim he did and then what supposedly happened there at the Pentagon ...


Commander Muga: The maneuver at the Pentagon was just a tight spiral coming down out of 7,000 feet. And a commercial aircraft, while they can in fact structurally somewhat handle that maneuver, they are very, very, very difficult. And it would take considerable training. In other words, commercial aircraft are designed for a particular purpose and that is for comfort and for passengers and it's not for military maneuvers. And while they are structurally capable of doing them, it takes some very, very talented pilots to do that. ...

When a commercial airplane gets that high, it gets very, very close to getting into what you refer to as a speed high-speed stall. And a high-speed stall can be very, very violent on a commercial-type aircraft and you never want to get into that situation. I just can't imagine an amateur even being able to come close to performing a maneuver of that nature.

And as far as hijacking the airplanes, once again getting back to the nature of pilots and airplanes, there is no way that a pilot would give up an airplane to hijackers. ...

I mean, hell, a guy doesn't give up a TV remote control much less a complicated 757. And so to think that pilots would allow a plane to be taken over by a couple of 5 foot 7, 150 pound guys with a one-inch blade boxcutter is ridiculous.

And also in all four planes, if you remember, none of the planes ever switched on their transponder to the hijack code. There's a very, very simple code that you put in if you suspect that your plane is being hijacked. It takes literally just a split-second for you to put your hand down on the center console and flip it over. And not one of the four planes ever transponded a hijack code, which is most, most unusual. ...

Commercial airplanes are very, very complex pieces of machines. And they're designed for two pilots up there, not just two amateur pilots, but two qualified commercial pilots up there. And to think that you're going to get an amateur up into the cockpit and fly, much less navigate, it to a designated target, the probability is so low, that it's bordering on impossible." Appears half way through the second hour segment at radio archive real data recovery at realradioarchives.com


Joel M. Skousen – Former U.S. Marine Corps fighter pilot. Commercial pilot. Aircraft flown: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom, Douglas A-4 Skyhawk, Grumman F-9 Cougar, North American T-2C Buckeye, various civilian planes. Member, Experimental Aircraft Association. Member, Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association. Former Chairman of the Conservative National Committee in Washington DC and Executive Editor of Conservative Digest. Author of Essential Principles for the Conservation of Liberty (1984), The Secure Home--Architectural Design, Construction and Remodeling of Self-Sufficient Residences and Retreats (1982, 1999), How to Implement a High Security Shelter in the Home (1996), Strategic Relocation--North American Guide to Safe Places (1998), Foundations of the Ideal State (2007).

Essay Debunking the Debunkers 2/14/05: "For over a decade now, the PTB [Powers That Be] have used an odd vehicle to do their debunking on a variety of issues - Popular Mechanics Magazine (a Hearst publication). I suppose they are targeting the back-yard mechanic and auto-enthusiast crowd, who are often prone to accepting conspiracy facts and theories.

In the March 2005 issue, PM magazine singled out 16 issues or claims of the 9/11 skeptics that point to government collusion and systematically attempted to debunk each one. Of the 16, most missed the mark and almost half were straw men arguments - either ridiculous arguments that few conspiracists believed or restatements of the arguments that were highly distorted so as to make them look weaker than they really were. ...

I am one of those who claim there are factual arguments pointing to conspiracy, and that truth is not served by taking cheap shots at those who see gaping flaws in the government story ...

There is significant evidence that the aircraft impacts did not cause the collapse [of the Twin Towers] ...

The issues of the penetration hole [at the Pentagon] and the lack of large pieces of debris simply do not jive with the official story, but they are explainable if you include the parking lot video evidence that shows a huge white explosion at impact. This cannot happen with an aircraft laden only with fuel. It can only happen in the presence of high explosives." Jeff Rense Program


dive-con would like to silence these men..take their voice from them...because he knows more than they do
 
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Commander Ted Muga, U.S. Navy (ret) – Retired Naval aviator (Grumman E-1 and E-2). Retired Pan-Am commercial airline pilot (Boeing 707 and 727).
Interview Alex Jones Show 4/11/07:

Alex Jones: Recap Hani Hanjour's maneuver, what they claim -- go through the maneuver they claim he did and then what supposedly happened there at the Pentagon ...


Commander Muga: The maneuver at the Pentagon was just a tight spiral coming down out of 7,000 feet. And a commercial aircraft, while they can in fact structurally somewhat handle that maneuver, they are very, very, very difficult. And it would take considerable training. In other words, commercial aircraft are designed for a particular purpose and that is for comfort and for passengers and it's not for military maneuvers. And while they are structurally capable of doing them, it takes some very, very talented pilots to do that. ...

When a commercial airplane gets that high, it gets very, very close to getting into what you refer to as a speed high-speed stall. And a high-speed stall can be very, very violent on a commercial-type aircraft and you never want to get into that situation. I just can't imagine an amateur even being able to come close to performing a maneuver of that nature.

And as far as hijacking the airplanes, once again getting back to the nature of pilots and airplanes, there is no way that a pilot would give up an airplane to hijackers. ...

I mean, hell, a guy doesn't give up a TV remote control much less a complicated 757. And so to think that pilots would allow a plane to be taken over by a couple of 5 foot 7, 150 pound guys with a one-inch blade boxcutter is ridiculous.

And also in all four planes, if you remember, none of the planes ever switched on their transponder to the hijack code. There's a very, very simple code that you put in if you suspect that your plane is being hijacked. It takes literally just a split-second for you to put your hand down on the center console and flip it over. And not one of the four planes ever transponded a hijack code, which is most, most unusual. ...

Commercial airplanes are very, very complex pieces of machines. And they're designed for two pilots up there, not just two amateur pilots, but two qualified commercial pilots up there. And to think that you're going to get an amateur up into the cockpit and fly, much less navigate, it to a designated target, the probability is so low, that it's bordering on impossible." Appears half way through the second hour segment at radio archive real data recovery at realradioarchives.com


Joel M. Skousen – Former U.S. Marine Corps fighter pilot. Commercial pilot. Aircraft flown: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom, Douglas A-4 Skyhawk, Grumman F-9 Cougar, North American T-2C Buckeye, various civilian planes. Member, Experimental Aircraft Association. Member, Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association. Former Chairman of the Conservative National Committee in Washington DC and Executive Editor of Conservative Digest. Author of Essential Principles for the Conservation of Liberty (1984), The Secure Home--Architectural Design, Construction and Remodeling of Self-Sufficient Residences and Retreats (1982, 1999), How to Implement a High Security Shelter in the Home (1996), Strategic Relocation--North American Guide to Safe Places (1998), Foundations of the Ideal State (2007).

Essay Debunking the Debunkers 2/14/05: "For over a decade now, the PTB [Powers That Be] have used an odd vehicle to do their debunking on a variety of issues - Popular Mechanics Magazine (a Hearst publication). I suppose they are targeting the back-yard mechanic and auto-enthusiast crowd, who are often prone to accepting conspiracy facts and theories.

In the March 2005 issue, PM magazine singled out 16 issues or claims of the 9/11 skeptics that point to government collusion and systematically attempted to debunk each one. Of the 16, most missed the mark and almost half were straw men arguments - either ridiculous arguments that few conspiracists believed or restatements of the arguments that were highly distorted so as to make them look weaker than they really were. ...

I am one of those who claim there are factual arguments pointing to conspiracy, and that truth is not served by taking cheap shots at those who see gaping flaws in the government story ...

There is significant evidence that the aircraft impacts did not cause the collapse [of the Twin Towers] ...

The issues of the penetration hole [at the Pentagon] and the lack of large pieces of debris simply do not jive with the official story, but they are explainable if you include the parking lot video evidence that shows a huge white explosion at impact. This cannot happen with an aircraft laden only with fuel. It can only happen in the presence of high explosives." Jeff Rense Program


dive-con would like to silence these men..take their voice from them...because he knows more than they do
i doubt those men ever said any such thing in the first place
what i want to silence is you morons making up lies and attributing them to these men
 
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]then why dont you prove they never said it ? why dont you draw it to ther attention their names have been slandered ..provide some evidence of this mass conspiracy of fake radio nterveiws .magzine articals and false petions instead of your lame ass... probablys..I MEAN STOP THE PRESS.. I THINK YOU HAVE A HUGE STORY HERE ..CALL THE MEDIA...ASSHOLE

Letter to Congress regarding the 9/11 Commission Report 9/13/04, signed by the following 25 military, intelligence, and law enforcement veterans:
http://www.pogo.org/


"[W]e the undersigned wish to bring to the attention of the Congress and the people of the United States what we believe are serious shortcomings in the report and its recommendations. …

Omission is one of the major flaws in the Commission’s report. We are aware of significant issues and cases that were duly reported to the commission by those of us with direct knowledge, but somehow escaped attention. …

The omission of such serious and applicable issues and information by itself renders the report flawed, and casts doubt on the validity of many of its recommendations. ...

The Commission, with its incomplete report of "facts and circumstances", intentional avoidance of assigning accountability, and disregard for the knowledge, expertise and experience of those who actually do the job, has now set about pressuring our Congress and our nation to hastily implement all its recommendations. ...

We the undersigned, who have worked within various government agencies (FBI, CIA, FAA, DIA, Customs) responsible for national security and public safety, call upon you in Congress to include the voices of those with first-hand knowledge and expertise in the important issues at hand. We stand ready to do our part." http://www.pogo.org/


Edward J. Costello, Jr. – Former Special Agent, Counterterrorism, FBI. Former Judge pro tem., Los Angeles, CAA.


John M. Cole – Former Intelligence Operations Specialist, in the FBI’s Counterintelligence Division. In charge of FBI’s foreign intelligence investigations covering India, Pakistan and Afghanistan.18-year FBI career.


Mark Conrad, JD – Retired Agent in Charge, Internal Affairs, U.S. Customs, responsible for the internal integrity and security for areas encompassing nine states and two foreign locations. Former Federal Sky Marshall. 27-year U.S. Customs career. Currently Associate General Counsel, National Association of Federal Agents. Assistant Professor of Criminal Justice at Troy University.

Rosemary N. Dew – Former Supervisory Special Agent, Counterterrorism and Counterintelligence, FBI. Former member of The President's National Security Telecommunications Advisory Committee (NSTAC) and the Electronic Commerce/Cyber Crime Working Group. 13-year FBI career.


Bogdan Dzakovic – Witness before the 9/11 Commission. 14-year Counter-terrorism expert in the Security Division of the Federal Aviation Administration. Team Leader of the FAA's Red (Terrorism) Team, which conducted undercover tests on airport security through simulated terrorist attacks. Former Team Leader in the Federal Air Marshal program. Former Coast Guard officer. (See also individual statement above.)


Sibel D. Edmonds – Witness before the 9/11 Commission. Former Language Translation Specialist, performing translations for counterterrorism and counterintelligence operations, FBI
. (See also individual statement above.)


Steve Elson – Former Special Agent with the U.S. Navy and the FAA. Specialist in Counterterrorism, Intelligence, and Security. Twenty-two years military experience, primarily in Naval Special Warfare and nine years Federal service with the FAA and DEA. Retired Navy SEAL. (See also individual statement above.)


David Forbes – Former head of Thames Valley Police Fraud Squad, trained at New Scotland Yard. Over 30 years experience in law enforcement, commercial and industrial security-related risk management, and service sector business management. Currently Aviation, Logistics and Govt. Security Analyst, BoydForbes, Inc.


Melvin A. Goodman – Former Division Chief and Senior Analyst at the Office of Soviet Affairs, CIA,1966 - 1990. Senior Analyst at the Bureau of Intelligence and Research, State Department, 1974 - 1976. Professor of International Security at the National War College 1986 - 2004. Currently Senior Fellow at the Center for International Policy and Adjunct Professor of International Relations at Johns Hopkins University. He is the author and co-author of five books on international relations
. (See also individual statement above.)


Mark Graf – Former Security Supervisor, Planner, and Derivative Classifier, Department of Energy. Former Chairman of the Rocky Flats (DOE) Physical Security Systems Working Group from 1990 through 1995.



Gilbert M. Graham – Retired Special Agent, Counterintelligence, FBI. 24-year FBI career.


Diane Kleiman – Former Special Agent, US Customs.


Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former Political-Military Affairs Officer in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Also served on the staff of the Director of the National Security Agency. 20-year Air Force veteran. (See also individual statement above.)


Lynne A. Larkin – Former CIA Operations Officer. Served in several CIA foreign stations and in the CIA's counter-intelligence center helping chair a multi-agency task force and seminars on coordinating intelligence among intelligence and crime prevention agencies.


David MacMichael, PhD – Former Senior Estimates Officer with special responsibility for Western Hemisphere Affairs at the CIA's National Intelligence Council. Former Captain, U.S. Marine Corps.


Raymond L. McGovern – Former Chairman, National Intelligence Estimates, CIA, responsible for preparing the President’ Daily Brief (PDB) for Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. 27-year CIA veteran. Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer. (See also individual statement above.)


Theodore J. Pahle – Former Senior Intelligence Officer with the Defense Intelligence Agency. His 37-year intelligence career was exclusively as a HUMINT (Human Intelligence) operations officer with DIA, Office of Naval Intelligence and U.S. Army Intelligence. He is a Middle East and Latin American operations specialist. Today, he continues to support the HUMINT effort as a contract instructor.


Behrooz Sarshar – Retired Language Translation Specialist, performing Farsi translations for counterterrorism and counterintelligence operations dealing with Iran and Afghanistan, FBI.


Brian F. Sullivan – Retired Special Agent and Risk Management Specialist, FAA. Retired Lieutenant Colonel, Military Police.


Commander Larry J. Tortorich, U.S. Navy (ret) – Former Deputy Program Manager for Logistics – Tomahawk Cruise Missiles. 24-year Navy career in the fields of aviation and counterterrorism. Two years as a federal employee with DHS/TSA in the fields of security and counterterrorism.



Jane A. Turner – Retired Special Agent, FBI. 24-year FBI career.


John B. Vincent – Retired Special Agent, Counterterrorism, FBI. 27-year FBI career.


Fred Whitehurst, JD, PhD – Retired Supervisory Special Agent / Laboratory Forensic Examiner, FBI. Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer.


Col. Ann Wright, U.S. Army (ret) – Retired Army officer and former U.S. Diplomat. Served 13 years on active duty with the U.S. Army and 16 years in the U.S. Army Reserves. She was a member of the International law team in Operation Urgent Fury in Grenada and served in Panama and Somalia. She joined the Foreign Service in 1987 and served as Deputy Chief of Mission of U.S. Embassies in Sierra Leone, Micronesia and Afghanistan. She helped reopen the US Embassy in Kabul in December, 2001. One of three U.S. State Department officials to publicly resign in direct protest of the invasion of Iraq in March, 2003. (See also individual statement above.)


Matthew J. Zipoli – Special Response Team (SRT) Officer, DOE. Vice President, Security Police Officer's Association, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/
 
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[/B]then why dont you prove they never said it ? why dont you draw it to ther attention their names have been slandered ..provide some evidence of this mass conspiracy of fake radio nterveiws .magzine articals and false petions instead of your lame ass... probablys..I MEAN STOP THE PRESS.. I THINK YOU HAVE A HUGE STORY HERE ..CALL THE MEDIA...ASSHOLE

<snipped utter bullshit>


because the media don't care
why should they, no one believes your crap
:lol:
 
the media wouldn't care that false petitions with CIA and FBI agents are being created ?and posted on the Internet and being disseminated through national radio broadcast and film through out the nation..really ? NASA wouldn't care ..the astronauts wouldn't even care their careers and reputations where being maligned in such away ?...really ?...hm-mm ..how odd...and the reason they would int care is its just EOTS crap?...DO I understand you premise correctly ?...uh ..I'm pretty sure that it is indeed you that has some pretty wild conspiracy theory's not me and the patriots

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/
 
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the media wouldn't care that false petitions with CIA and FBI agents are being created ?and posted on the Internet and being disseminated through national radio broadcast and film through out the nation..really ? NASA wouldn't care ..the astronauts wouldn't even care their careers and reputations where being maligned in such away ?...really ?...hm-mm ..how odd...and the reason they would int care is its just EOTS crap?...DO I understand you premise correctly ?...uh ..I'm pretty sure that it is indeed you that has some pretty wild conspiracy theory's not me and the patriots

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report
LOL
no one cares because no one believes you
if there were many people that actually believed your bullshit, then they might care
but since you show over and over again that you lack credibility, i wouldnt care much if you claimed i said something because i would just deny it and that would be it
you are a faceless name on the internet
why should i care what a moron like you says, beyond the humorous level for my own entertainment
 
LOL
no one cares because no one believes you
if there were many people that actually believed your bullshit, then they might care

NO ONE..believes me ..OR NO ONE BELIEVES ME or no one believes the ..the men and woman on the patriots question 911 site ?or the millions of films sold...and if no one believed the why would their be attempts to censor and why would you support this ?

but since you show over and over again that you lack credibility, i wouldnt care much if you claimed i said something because i would just deny it and that would be it
you are a faceless name on the internet
why should i care what a moron like you says, beyond the humorous level for my own entertainment

its not my creditability that's in question it is the validity of the patriotsquestion 911 site and that has been established and their credentials speak for themselves...so yuk it up clown..you just established your a closed minded fool with no intention of exercising reason...and besides your beat...walk on home boy..... your out of your depth
 
its not my creditability that's in question it is the validity of the patriotsquestion 911 site and that has been established and their credentials speak for themselves...so yuk it up clown..you just established your a closed minded fool with no intention of exercising reason...and besides your beat...walk on home boy..... your out of your depth
i go and do what i wish, so you can "go home boy"


you are one of the most closed minded people i have ever met
you are worse than most troofers i've know
some i even consider a friend
i may not agree with them on this issue but you are a complete total fucking moron
 
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well then maybe you should respect that rights of men of honor and service... to be free to do the same and you can become a man..in the process..it is vital..these men and woman can express these opinion regardless of what you think of those opinions.. as important to you as it is. me..even if you don't realise it
 
well then maybe you should respect that rights of men of honor and service... to be free to do the same and you can become a man..in the process..it is vital..these men and woman can express these opinion regardless of what you think of those opinions.. as important to you as it is. me..even if you don't realise it
when did i ever say they didnt have that right
you just keep on lying
 
you applauded the attempts of the homeland security to link these sites with terror sites to restrict access..probably with little or no thought to the bigger picture and simply because you don't personally agree with them...instead of being concerned with how this effects the liberty of all..you offered you blind approval
 
you applauded the attempts of the homeland security to link these sites with terror sites to restrict access..probably with little or no thought to the bigger picture and simply because you don't personally agree with them...instead of being concerned with how this effects the liberty of all..you offered you blind approval
no i didnt
you have me confused with someone else
please only accuse me of things i actually DID
 
DIVECON
Its about time something was done to remove these liars ability to spread lies

SOUNDS LIKE APPROVAL TO ME
nope
just limiting your ability, not removing it
remember, the first amendment gives you the right to speak, it doesnt give you any venue you wish
 
you have no clue what your even talking about..limiting.. like yoiur nazi counterparts that introduced free speech zones
please show me where the constitution guaranteed you a venue?
any venue you wish
it doesn't
if i run a forum, it is MY option to allow you that venue or not to
that is MY constitutional rights
just like any other site can remove that ability from you with THEIR rights
its not violating the constitution


you clearly don't understand what your constitutional rights are or you would KNOW that already
thus you are nothing more than a whiny asshole screaming "MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS ARE BEING VIOLATED" when they are NOT
 
please show me where the constitution guaranteed you a venue?
any venue you wish
it doesn't
if i run a forum, it is MY option to allow you that venue or not to
that is MY constitutional rights
just like any other site can remove that ability from you with THEIR rights
its not violating the constitution


you clearly don't understand what your constitutional rights are or you would KNOW that already
thus you are nothing more than a whiny asshole screaming "MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS ARE BEING VIOLATED" when they are NOT

we are not talking about private forums we are talking about homeland security having the ability to block access to sites they deem terrorist and tainting everyone connected to the site as supporting terror and it violates the constitution
 
we are not talking about private forums we are talking about homeland security having the ability to block access to sites they deem terrorist and tainting everyone connected to the site as supporting terror and it violates the constitution
so, you morons dont think it helps the terrorists to claim our own government did it?

then you wonder why i call you a dumbfuck moron
 

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