interesting debate on prop 8

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    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A10tn7lrtxg]YouTube - Prop 8 Debate Heats Up in Kern County (part 1)[/ame]
     
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    'through the millennia' = Bullshit

    'look at the dictionary', it says one man and one woman = bullshit
    1- None of the dictionaries I've seen use that term
    2- Marriage is largely an anthropological term that imply refers to a union between two or more persons. it is also a legal term defining the nature of a given contract between two persons *in American law) and the rights/benefits/ expectations inherent in that contract. Marriage as a religious term has not place in the law
     
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    How/ Why does 'society' have any 'obligation' to procreate. To whom is the society and (its members) obligated?

    Given his arguments, the logical implication is that all be required to reproduce: no birth control, no prophylactics, and required quotas for each man and children to produce a minimum of X children
     
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    'creates a protected class of people who have rights that are superior to the rest of the citizens..'

    yes, it does. It protects heterosexual Abrahamists and discriminates against others.
     
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    If no one procreates, and god i wish less would, (far too many are without thinking)

    we will have no next generation and we will die out, so as a society, we do have a responsibility to procreate


     
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    I dont believe its about discrimination, it simply keeps the definition of being changed.

    but good people can disagree without being disagreeable, but you wouldnt know that because anyone who disagrees with you, is subject to name calling

     
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    And hetero sexual Hindus, Pagans, Shinto worshippers, Buddhists etc, etc, etc.

    Call it a civil union give it the same contractual rights as a marriage and no one give a rats patoot. Insisting on calling it marriage is just going to piss off 60 to 80% of the people in this country and you wind up with nothing. See California.
     
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    you failed to demonstrate any obligation, you just stated that one exists as if it were a fact.

    You fail again, moron.



    That sentence doesn't even make sense.

    Only if they're idiots and/or jackasses- like Yukon or bass52. Unfortunately,such people appear to be the majority- like you, for instance.
     
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    You cannot have 'separate but equal'

    People need to just accept that the word 'marriage' can be used in a legal, religo-social, or anthropological (closely tied to religio-social) sense. Don't like gay marriage? Fine, don't marry a gay or be friends with one. Noone said you have to approve of someone else's relationship.
     
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    It isn't seperate but equal its the same damn thing with a different name. Get it yet?
     

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