CDZ In their minds...

[Pilate]

how do you think people justify making arguments which contain flagrant fallacies?

 

[SYTFE]

People aren't computers. And logical fallacies can often be very persuasive.

 

[Two Thumbs]

many people simply 'feel' they are right.

facts, numbers, real world results are the lies.


like socialism

 

[Pilate]

Yeah but some of the crap I've seen is just totally outrageous. Someone literally and unironically attempted to use "it just is" in an effort to suggest that statistics provided were wrong. I mean I hope that here on CDZ we all know why "it just is" is a rather objectionable line of thought.

 

[320 Years of History]

Good luck with this topic being in the CDZ. I tried it and it got pushed to "General."

 

[Pilate]

Good luck with this topic being in the CDZ. I tried it and it got pushed to "General."

Yeah I admit I should have probably categorized this more carefully though I figured that general would just result in "you dumb demopublicans are too dumb to understand reasoned arguments" instead of actual responses.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Yeah but some of the crap I've seen is just totally outrageous. Someone literally and unironically attempted to use "it just is" in an effort to suggest that statistics provided were wrong. I mean I hope that here on CDZ we all know why "it just is" is a rather objectionable line of thought.

this is what happens when you ask for a link and either the person is to lazy or finds nothing but links that back your assertion.

so they are stuck.

 

[320 Years of History]

how do you think people justify making arguments which contain flagrant fallacies?

I wish I knew because if I did, I'd partner with a pharmaceutical company to invent a cure for it.

It is variously frustrating and boring to find oneself in a political forum aiming to have a substantive discussion about XYZ topic that captures one's interest, only to find that some of the folks who are most willing to participate in the discussion routinely make remarks that show they need to be educated on the topic before either of you can get to having a meaningful debate/discussion. I'm not referring to learning what opinions are held by this or that proponent/opponent of a given policy; I mean just knowing the basic facts that have been long established and proven.

As goes the matter of applying fallacious thinking, well, that's annoying when one thinks one is conversing with other mature adults. What's more disturbing to me is the misrepresentation of simple and easily checked facts and poor reading comprehension in general. I don't mind it when I know the other person is a minor, although I don't generally on the WWW engage in conversations with minors.

 

[320 Years of History]

Good luck with this topic being in the CDZ. I tried it and it got pushed to "General."

Yeah I admit I should have probably categorized this more carefully though I figured that general would just result in "you dumb demopublicans are too dumb to understand reasoned arguments" instead of actual responses.

Don't kid yourself, you'll get that in the CDZ too. LOL It just won't be quite as blunt or vulgar.

 

[Pilate]

It only gets worse when I start pointing out fallacies and then get fed more fallacies. It's as if they think I can be overwhelmed by some sort of fallacy spam. Very frustrating.

 

[320 Years of History]

It only gets worse when I start pointing out fallacies and then get fed more fallacies. It's as if they think I can be overwhelmed by some sort of fallacy spam. Very frustrating.

Well, you can use my tactic if you think it'll help.

When you click on a user's name, a black box appears on the near-upper right side, you'll find the word "Ignore." It works really well, except that it doesn't work if the person is a moderator.

 

[Ozone]

it all starts with wanting something. every time. i want you want we want they want. why let logic get in the way of getting it, otherwise logic gets everything and nobody gets nothing, and why should logic even get anything at all? the path of least resistance is what matters to people.

 

[Compost]

Part of the problem is a big chunk of people never learned to discuss concepts at all. They keep busy doing things that make them feel good. When a chance to consider their position on something comes up, they don't want to make the effort. Research, consideration, learning, are inconvenient and cause a reduction in feeling good. It's just easier to repeat what they heard someone else say. When challenged, they may realize that they can't back up that position, but are still not willing to put in some effort. So they revert to childish responses like you're wrong! you are a ^&*$##! you are a hater! shut up!

Logic does not work on petulant brats.

 

[alang1216]

how do you think people justify making arguments which contain flagrant fallacies?

If someone makes a statement that supports your argument why bother to make the effort to verify it. Leave that to your opponents and just pass on the statement. You can always disavow it later or better yet accuse your accuser and his evidence of being partisan.

 

[yiostheoy]

People aren't computers. And logical fallacies can often be very persuasive.

THESE kind of people are DECEITFUL or STUPID.

 

[yiostheoy]

many people simply 'feel' they are right.

facts, numbers, real world results are the lies.


like socialism

THESE kind of people are STUPID.

 

[yiostheoy]

Part of the problem is a big chunk of people never learned to discuss concepts at all. They keep busy doing things that make them feel good. When a chance to consider their position on something comes up, they don't want to make the effort. Research, consideration, learning, are inconvenient and cause a reduction in feeling good. It's just easier to repeat what they heard someone else say. When challenged, they may realize that they can't back up that position, but are still not willing to put in some effort. So they revert to childish responses like you're wrong! you are a ^&*$##! you are a hater! shut up!

Logic does not work on petulant brats.

THESE kind of people are REALLY STUPID.

 

[yiostheoy]

My solution is to append the Wiki list of fallacies to my reply to their fallacy.

Hopefully they will then educate themselves.

For those who keep using fallacies over and over, particularly verbosity, or affirmation of the consequent, those people go onto the ignore list.

List of fallacies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[320 Years of History]

the path of least resistance is what matters to people.

Yet America is supposed to be the land where pluck and hard work are the levers of success. If "the easy road" were the way to riches, what need has one of pluck and drive?

 

[320 Years of History]

Hopefully they will then educate themselves.

Talk about wishing on a star...

Star light, star bright,
First star I see tonight,
Wish I may, I wish I might,
Have this wish I wish tonight.​