In normal world, this is known as "fraud".

[Mac1958]

In Normal World, when you overstate the value of your holdings on official documents for the purpose of obtaining loans, that's known as "fraud". When you VASTLY overstate them, that's known as "another day in TrumpWorld™".

Defrauding people is "bad" It's "dishonest". People who commit fraud are "lying".

Here are just a few examples of how Trump commits fraud on financial documents to MAKE IT SEEM that he has a LOT more money than he does.

Trump Tower Triplex
Trump's claim: 30,000 sq ft
Actual appraisal: 10,996 sq ft

Seven Springs Estate Value
Trump's claim: $291 million
Actual appraisal: $30 million

40 Wall Street
Trump's claim: $527 million
Actual appraisal: $220 million

Mar-A-Lago
Trump's claim: $612 million
Actual value: $27.6 million

TNGC Briarcliff and TNGC LA
Trump's claim: $73 million
Actual value: $16 million

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So I guess the question is, why are his followers so willing to overlook blatant fraud like this? Would any of you like to answer that question?

Let the deflection and personal attacks begin!

Source: Page 21 and beyond, DocumentCloud

 

[pknopp]

It isn't just Trump supporters. People do not see financial crimes the same way as they do other crimes.

Under Obama the administration and Geithner both noted that crimes had been committed but they would not be pursued because it might be bad for the economy.

What Trump did wouldn't have been prosecuted if it had been someone else. Now that's not to say Trump isn't guilty, IMO from what we have seen he is. Trump was just doing business as usual. Yes it was fraud but no one really cared.

The rich and connected live under different rules than regular people. I imagine there are hundreds of people guilty of what Trump did. Will they be held accountable? Not likely.

Unfair? Maybe but again, when people came to Trump over an unfair justice system he turned his back to them. Even today his supporters refuse to understand this.

 

[Rogue AI]

In the normal world money lenders do their own homework and lend or not accordingly. In liberal idiot land TDS is all that's required to spout nonsense with no relation to reality.

 

[pknopp]

In the normal world money lenders do their own homework and lend or not accordingly. In liberal idiot land TDS is all that's required to spout nonsense with no relation to reality.

Just because a bank might be complicit doesn't mean it's not illegal. We saw the financial crashes as examples of why the laws should be enforced.

 

[Rogue AI]

Just because a bank might be complicit doesn't mean it's not illegal. We saw the financial crashes as examples of why the laws should be enforced.

Except there is no reference to the banks or third party assessors, it's simply a political persecution. If the TDS afflicted cared about justice they wouldn't present this as something that happened in a vacuum. Nothing about this is even remotely realistic, much less deserving of millions of tax dollars being wasted.

 

[pknopp]

Except there is no reference to the banks or third party assessors, it's simply a political persecution.

But that doesn't mean he isn't guilty.

If the TDS afflicted cared about justice they wouldn't present this as something that happened in a vacuum. Nothing about this is even remotely realistic, much less deserving of millions of tax dollars being wasted.

I noted it didn't happen in a vacuum. I noted there are likely many guilty of this. That doesn't mean Trump isn't.

 

[Arlette]

It isn't just Trump supporters. People do not see financial crimes the same way as they do other crimes.

Under Obama the administration and Geithner both noted that crimes had been committed but they would not be pursued because it might be bad for the economy.

What Trump did wouldn't have been prosecuted if it had been someone else. Now that's not to say Trump isn't guilty, IMO from what we have seen he is. Trump was just doing business as usual. Yes it was fraud but no one really cared.

The rich and connected live under different rules than regular people. I imagine there are hundreds of people guilty of what Trump did. Will they be held accountable? Not likely.

Unfair? Maybe but again, when people came to Trump over an unfair justice system he turned his back to them. Even today his supporters refuse to understand this.

Trump didn't understand that holding or seeking a political office comes with the scrutiny that he couldn't afford. I think he does now though

 

[Arlette]

In the normal world money lenders do their own homework and lend or not accordingly. In liberal idiot land TDS is all that's required to spout nonsense with no relation to reality.

In the normal world a third rate con man couldn't bamboozle you. But it happened.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

You have heard these MAGAs, Trump Humpers, etc. say they don't care if he has broken the Law. White Supremacy means more to them than the Law does.

 

[Arlette]

You have heard these MAGAs, Trump Humpers, etc. say they don't care if he has broken the Law. White Supremacy means more to them than the Law does.

They ain't even gonna get white supremacy. That horse left the barn a long time ago. What they gonna get is more tax cuts for corporations and cuts to SS and Medicare

 

[rampart]

In the normal world money lenders do their own homework and lend or not accordingly. In liberal idiot land TDS is all that's required to spout nonsense with no relation to reality.

in the normal world, a slick fraudulent operator "takes in" an underpaid and financially challenged loan officer for a cut and then stiffs the bank . why do so many of trump's bankers jump off of rooftops?

 

[Harry Dresden]

rich people do this shit all the time....if trump wasnt running this shit wouldnt be happening...

 

[Smokin' OP]

Trump took $17 million in insurance for damage few ...​

AP News
https://apnews.com › article
Oct 24, 2016 — PALM BEACH, Fla. (AP) — Donald Trump says he received a $17 million insurance payment in 2005 for hurricane damage to Mar-a-Lago, ...

Remember When Donald Trump Pocketed Millions in ...​

GQ
https://www.gq.com › Culture › Donald Trump
Sep 7, 2017 — Remember When Donald Trump Pocketed Millions in Hurricane Insurance for Mar-a-Lago Damage That Never Happened? With Hurricane Irma lurking ...

 

[Mac1958]

But that doesn't mean he isn't guilty.

They don't care if he's guilty.

 

[Mac1958]

"Everyone does it" will be the spin.

Everyone runs for President based largely on their "business success" and "deal making" and "wealth" and wins, when it's all based on OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY, FRAUD, and BLATANT, DOCUMENTED LIES.

The rubes will accept anything from their earthly God.

 

[theHawk]

Seven Springs Estate Value
Trump's claim: $291 million
Actual appraisal: $30 million

Just looked up one of these properties to totally debunk your lame ass thread.

Here is what a $39 million property looks like in Bedford, NY where Seven Springs is:


3800 sq ft home with 214 acres.

Trump’s property is 50,000 sq ft with 280 acres.

You are insane if you think that property is worth only $30 million.

 

[Mac1958]

Just looked up one of these properties to totally debunk your lame ass thread.

Here is what a $39 million property looks like in Bedford, NY where Seven Springs is:


3800 sq ft home with 214 acres.

View attachment 837625


Trump’s property is 50,000 sq ft with 280 acres.

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You are insane if you think that property is worth only $30 million.

Holy crap, that's not even close. He's ASKING just NINE MILLION MORE.

Obviously you don't understand NUMBERS.

Seriously, Trumpster, I'm embarrassed for you.

 

[Blues Man]

In Normal World, when you overstate the value of your holdings on official documents for the purpose of obtaining loans, that's known as "fraud". When you VASTLY overstate them, that's known as "another day in TrumpWorld™".

Defrauding people is "bad" It's "dishonest". People who commit fraud are "lying".

Here are just a few examples of how Trump commits fraud on financial documents to MAKE IT SEEM that he has a LOT more money than he does.

Trump Tower Triplex
Trump's claim: 30,000 sq ft
Actual appraisal: 10,996 sq ft

Seven Springs Estate Value
Trump's claim: $291 million
Actual appraisal: $30 million

40 Wall Street
Trump's claim: $527 million
Actual appraisal: $220 million

Mar-A-Lago
Trump's claim: $612 million
Actual value: $27.6 million

TNGC Briarcliff and TNGC LA
Trump's claim: $73 million
Actual value: $16 million

============

So I guess the question is, why are his followers so willing to overlook blatant fraud like this? Would any of you like to answer that question?

Let the deflection and personal attacks begin!

Source: Page 21 and beyond, DocumentCloud

Only if you assume the lender will take your word for it.

It's a pretty easy thing to do to appraise a property or a business and if a lender doesn't do that it's his own fault.

Now I haven't heard if Trump actually got loans based on his inflated estimations. Did he? And if he did did he default?

If the answer to either one of those is no then there was no fraud or if there was there was no victim. If there is no victim is there a crime at all?

 

[pknopp]

Only if you assume the lender will take your word for it.

It's a pretty easy thing to do to appraise a property or a business and if a lender doesn't do that it's his own fault.

Now I haven't heard if Trump actually got loans based on his inflated estimations. Did he? And if he did did he default?

If the answer to either one of those is no then there was no fraud or if there was there was no victim. If there is no victim is there a crime at all?

The financial crashes that the taxpayers were made to bail out says there is.

 

[Blues Man]

Trump took $17 million in insurance for damage few ...​

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AP News
https://apnews.com › article
Oct 24, 2016 — PALM BEACH, Fla. (AP) — Donald Trump says he received a $17 million insurance payment in 2005 for hurricane damage to Mar-a-Lago, ...

Remember When Donald Trump Pocketed Millions in ...​

View attachment 837621
GQ
https://www.gq.com › Culture › Donald Trump
Sep 7, 2017 — Remember When Donald Trump Pocketed Millions in Hurricane Insurance for Mar-a-Lago Damage That Never Happened? With Hurricane Irma lurking ...

How does that come into play for the state of NY?

If he defrauded the insurance company why didn't the insurance company sue him for fraud?