In a world without guns...the strong and the many can brutally beat the weak and outnumbered...

[Toro]

Most white murders are white on white murders. It's close to 90%. It has nothing to do with whether blacks or Hispanics are nearby.

Sure it does. Diversity destroys society. It corrodes trust, even within racial groups. In increases tensions, even within racial groups.

A state, or region, which is all white, or nearly so, will have higher social capital metrics than the white community found within a larger, multicultural state or region.

Here's a for instance. That all white state, with high trust levels, might manifest as people not being as paranoid about locking their doors or being startled at night by noises in the house or the backyard. The white homeowner in a highly multicultural state will be less trusting of his neighbors, even white neighbors, and so that noise in the middle of the night will make him more suspicious. Right here we create a scenario for a different response, perhaps armed response, which can result in different outcomes with respect to manslaughter or homicide, even when the victim is also white, perhaps a family member coming into the home late at night.

Diversity being corrosive to social capital levels within a society is a pretty solid social science finding.

Blacks living next door is why whites kill each other.

Right.



Maybe the reason why blacks kill each other is because there are so many white people around.

lol

Or, maybe it's because white people love their guns, and it's so much easier to kill someone if you have a gun.

I wish I could help you with your chronic stupidity, but alas, that's even beyond my powers. Here's a hint, if you're going to play the snark card, then know what the fuck you're talking about. Just saying.

A bleak picture of the corrosive effects of ethnic diversity has been revealed in research by Harvard University’s Robert Putnam, one of the world’s most influential political scientists.

His research shows that the more diverse a community is, the less likely its inhabitants are to trust anyone – from their next-door neighbour to the mayor. . .

The core message of the research was that, “in the presence of diversity, we hunker down”, he said. “We act like turtles. The effect of diversity is worse than had been imagined. And it’s not just that we don’t trust people who are not like us. In diverse communities, we don’t trust people who do look like us.”

When the data were adjusted for class, income and other factors, they showed that the more people of different races lived in the same community, the greater the loss of trust. “They don’t trust the local mayor, they don’t trust the local paper, they don’t trust other people and they don’t trust institutions,” said Prof Putnam. “The only thing there’s more of is protest marches and TV watching.”

British Home Office research has pointed in the same direction and Prof Putnam, now working with social scientists at Manchester University, said other European countries would be likely to have similar trends.​

Trusting and murdering are two different things, douchebag. Your overt racism is coming to the fore once again.

This thread is about gun control.

The most diverse city in Canada is Toronto. Half the population of 2.7 million is white.

Demographics of Toronto - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

In a city that is half white, it has a murder rate of 2.

Crime in Toronto - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

That is still lower than white America, even though American whites live mostly amongst themselves.

Oh, and unlike America, Canada has an official policy of multiculturalism.

So, more guns, more murders, regardless of the demographics.

 

[Rikurzhen]

The most diverse city in Canada is Toronto. Half the population of 2.7 million is white.

Demographics of Toronto - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

In a city that is half white, it has a murder rate of 2.

Crime in Toronto - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

That is still lower than white America, even though American whites live mostly amongst themselves.

You're chronically stuck on stupid.

The last time Canada admitted as many as 280,000 permanent residents was in 2010. A greater proportion, nearly 65 per cent of all admissions, will be economic immigrants and their dependents. That’s up from a target of 62 per cent in the planning for 2013 levels. Mr. Alexander said the goal reflects the government’s view that immigration is crucial to Canada’s economic prosperity.

“We are recruiting a higher calibre of economic immigrant than we have ever seen before,” Mr. Alexander said. “This [increase in the proportion of economic immigrants] is a goal we’ve had for some time. Many provinces already have 70 per cent economic immigration; that’s the aspiration Canada has as well.”​

Canadian diversity is of a different nature than American diversity.

So, more guns, more murders, regardless of the demographics.

You can keep screaming your fantasy until you're blue in the face, the data shows you to be wrong.

 

[turtledude]

Most white murders are white on white murders. It's close to 90%. It has nothing to do with whether blacks or Hispanics are nearby.

Sure it does. Diversity destroys society. It corrodes trust, even within racial groups. In increases tensions, even within racial groups.

A state, or region, which is all white, or nearly so, will have higher social capital metrics than the white community found within a larger, multicultural state or region.

Here's a for instance. That all white state, with high trust levels, might manifest as people not being as paranoid about locking their doors or being startled at night by noises in the house or the backyard. The white homeowner in a highly multicultural state will be less trusting of his neighbors, even white neighbors, and so that noise in the middle of the night will make him more suspicious. Right here we create a scenario for a different response, perhaps armed response, which can result in different outcomes with respect to manslaughter or homicide, even when the victim is also white, perhaps a family member coming into the home late at night.

Diversity being corrosive to social capital levels within a society is a pretty solid social science finding.

Blacks living next door is why whites kill each other.

Right.



Maybe the reason why blacks kill each other is because there are so many white people around.

lol

Or, maybe it's because white people love their guns, and it's so much easier to kill someone if you have a gun.

I wish I could help you with your chronic stupidity, but alas, that's even beyond my powers. Here's a hint, if you're going to play the snark card, then know what the fuck you're talking about. Just saying.

A bleak picture of the corrosive effects of ethnic diversity has been revealed in research by Harvard University’s Robert Putnam, one of the world’s most influential political scientists.

His research shows that the more diverse a community is, the less likely its inhabitants are to trust anyone – from their next-door neighbour to the mayor. . .

The core message of the research was that, “in the presence of diversity, we hunker down”, he said. “We act like turtles. The effect of diversity is worse than had been imagined. And it’s not just that we don’t trust people who are not like us. In diverse communities, we don’t trust people who do look like us.”

When the data were adjusted for class, income and other factors, they showed that the more people of different races lived in the same community, the greater the loss of trust. “They don’t trust the local mayor, they don’t trust the local paper, they don’t trust other people and they don’t trust institutions,” said Prof Putnam. “The only thing there’s more of is protest marches and TV watching.”

British Home Office research has pointed in the same direction and Prof Putnam, now working with social scientists at Manchester University, said other European countries would be likely to have similar trends.​

Trusting and murdering are two different things, douchebag. Your overt racism is coming to the fore once again.

This thread is about gun control.

The most diverse city in Canada is Toronto. Half the population of 2.7 million is white.

Demographics of Toronto - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

In a city that is half white, it has a murder rate of 2.

Crime in Toronto - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

That is still lower than white America, even though American whites live mostly amongst themselves.

Oh, and unlike America, Canada has an official policy of multiculturalism.

So, more guns, more murders, regardless of the demographics.

complete horsecrap

white Americans have the most LEGAL guns per capita

blacks, the least

black males (6% of the population) commit more firearm assisted murders than Whites do

the number of guns in circulation has gone way up in the last 20 years spurred on by the clinton and Obama attacks on guns and the CCW law reform

YET gun related crime has gone down

you are lying

 

[Rikurzhen]

Trusting and murdering are two different things, douchebag. Your overt racism is coming to the fore once again.

No, they're related you stupid piece of shit.

To pick your preferred state, Idaho, it has a white homicide rate of 7 per 1,000,000 while the far more liberal, and more multicultural, state of Oregon has a white homicide rate of 11 per 1,000,000 .Pennsylvania has a white homicide rate of 11 per million, closer to liberal Oregon than to conservative Idaho and PA and OR have nearly the same level of non-Hispanic white population compared to the higher level seen in Idaho. Whiteopias like Vermont and New Hampshire have white homicide rates of less than 1 per million.

On the other end of the spectrum, multicultural paradises like Texas (28 per million) New Mexico (26 per million) Arizona (24 per million) Florida (22 per million) Louisiana (29 per million) Mississippi (34 per million) Nevada (20 per million) have far higher white homicide rates.

Even liberal, multicultural, Washington (12 per million) outpaces homogeneous gun-loving Red states like Wyoming (less than 1 per million) Utah (8 per million) North and South Dakota (both less than 1 per million) and Nebraska (8 per million).

How is it possible that Washington and Oregon have higher white homicide rates than the Dakotas and Wyoming and Idaho?

 

[Toro]

In white Prince Edward Island, where there is strict gun control, the murder rate was 0.00 in 2012, and has averaged 0.4 over the past 5 years, which is ~60% less than NH, where its easy to own guns.

Homicide offences number and rate by province and territory Homicide rate

So what? You're now in the comical territory in order to prove something about Canada. PEI has only 145,000 people. Merrimack County in New Hampshire has a population of 146,849. It's largest city, Concord, recorded the following homicides:

2004 = 1
2011 = 1

From 2004 to 2014 there were 2 murders. That works out to an annual rate of 0.2 per year.

No more than you cherry-picking one year or one state with one of the lowest crime rates.

Instead of looking at one state, let's look at the whitest states.

The following are the 10 states with the largest rates of non-Hispanic white populations, the average murder rate since 1990, and the non-Hispanic white population.

IA 1.7 87.6%
ID 2.5 83.1%
ME 1.8 94.0%
MT 3.0 87.0%
ND 1.5 87.3%
NH 1.5 91.6%
SD 2.0 83.3%
VT 1.9 93.8%
WV 4.3 92.7%
WY 2.9 84.1%

The combined population of these 10 states in 2013 was 13 million.

All statistics are from these sites.

South Dakota QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau
South Dakota Crime Rates 1960 - 2012

Weighted by population, 88.6% of the population was non-Hispanic white, 2.1% black, 4.6% Hispanic, and 2.0% Native American. The rate of white population is roughly equal to or higher than the white populations of Canada, France, Holland, New Zealand, the UK.

The average murder rate weighted by population of those 10 states was 2.3, slightly below the national average of the white murder rate. However, the murder rate is still far higher than the above five nations, all of which have much tougher gun control laws.

So even if you buy the idea that diversity brings crime, murder is still higher in the white states than it is in the countries with similar or lower rates of white populations.

More guns, more death.

 

[Rikurzhen]

So even if you buy the idea that diversity brings crime, murder is still higher in the white states than it is in the countries with similar or lower rates of populations of whites.

There are multiple factors in play with respect to the multicultural issue. One factor is simply diversity, regardless of it's composition. Another factor relates to the composition of the diversity. Comparing New Zealand where the multicultural diversity is composed of Maori, whites, Asians and Indians but nary a black person to be seen doesn't create a comparable data point to a nation with the same level of population heterogeneity but composed of whites, blacks and mestizos, both of whom come from host populations far more violent than what is seen in Polynesia, Asia or India.

So looking at the state homicide statistics in the US will reveal, even in those white states, a vastly disproportionate number of homicides are due to the minority residents of the white states.

If you want to understand the issue then you need to control for confounding factors which are influencing the results.

More guns, more death.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

"According to a 2003 study published in the American Journal of Public Health, the risk of homicide against women increases 500 percent when a gun is present in domestic violence situations, and the FBI estimates that in 2010, 64 percent of women murdered with guns were killed by a current or former intimate partner. The Violence Policy Center reports that in 2010, the number of women shot and killed by partners was six times higher than the number killed by strangers using all other weapons combined.

In Texas, the numbers echo national estimates: the Texas Council on Family Violence reports that, in 2011, firearms were used in 64 percent of 102 cases where women were murdered by current or former intimate partners. The FBI also estimates that, in states where a background check is required for every handgun sale, 38 percent fewer women are shot and killed by abusive partners. Texas is not one of those states.

When it comes to the should-haves and could-haves of domestic violence murders, one “should” appears to be clear: Domestic abusers should not have access to firearms. But abusers can easily sidestep background checks by purchasing from private sellers, or shopping for weapons at a gun show, and efforts to close those loopholes have been thwarted."

A Grim Tally Abusers Guns and the Women They Kill

Dumb ass gun shows do back ground checks

I'm actually starting to like the utter stupidity of your posts. My bet is that you have no idea what you actually wrote.

If your sentence were correct, it would read:

Dumb ass, gun shows do background checks.

Not true and grammatically incorrect, but at least its punctuated correctly and makes sense. Better would be, "Gun shows do perform background checks, dumb ass". Not true but correctly written.

The way you wrote it means you're calling the guns shows "dumb ass".

The question is, how can we get gun shows to do background checks, dumb ass?

 

[Toro]

There are multiple factors in play with respect to the multicultural issue. One factor is simply diversity, regardless of it's composition. Another factor relates to the composition of the diversity. Comparing New Zealand where the multicultural diversity is composed of Maori, whites, Asians and Indians but nary a black person to be seen doesn't create a comparable data point to a nation with the same level of population heterogeneity but composed of whites, blacks and mestizos, both of whom come from host populations far more violent than what is seen in Polynesia, Asia or India.

Not many Polynesians living in Canada, Holland, New Zealand or the UK though.

Whites are 89% of the 10 whitest states in America. Blacks, Hispanics and Natives are 8.7%. The murder rate is 2.3.

Whites are 77% of Canada. Blacks, Hispanics and Natives are 7.4%. The murder rate is 1.7.

Canada is by far a more multi-racial society than the 10 whitest states. If your theory was correct, Canada should be a more murderous society, because it is a more multi-racial society, and more diversity means more distrust, and, of course, more killing. Yet, that's not the case. Canada is more multi-racial, yet the murder rate is drastically lower. The murder rate amongst whites is still higher than amongst the more multi-cultural Canada.

 

[Rikurzhen]

What is the homicide rate for Japanese people living in Japan compared to Japanese Americans?

Up through 1979, the FBI reported homicide arrests sorted by racial breakdowns which included “Japanese.” For the period 1976-1978, 21 of 48,695 arrests for murder and non-negligent manslaughter were of Japanese-Americans, or 0.04% (U.S. FBI 1977-1979). . .

Applying this fraction to the total of 57,460 homicides yields an estimate of 24.78 killings by Japanese-Americans for 1976-1978, or about 8.26 per year. . .

With 791,000 persons of Japanese ancestry in the United States in 1980 (U.S. Bureau of the Census 1984), this translates into an annual rate of 1.04 homicides per 100,000 population. . . .

For the same 1976-1978 period, the annual homicide rate in Japan. . . If this was true for 76-78, the homicide rate in those years was 0.98 per 100,000 pop.​

 

[bigrebnc1775]

"According to a 2003 study published in the American Journal of Public Health, the risk of homicide against women increases 500 percent when a gun is present in domestic violence situations, and the FBI estimates that in 2010, 64 percent of women murdered with guns were killed by a current or former intimate partner. The Violence Policy Center reports that in 2010, the number of women shot and killed by partners was six times higher than the number killed by strangers using all other weapons combined.

In Texas, the numbers echo national estimates: the Texas Council on Family Violence reports that, in 2011, firearms were used in 64 percent of 102 cases where women were murdered by current or former intimate partners. The FBI also estimates that, in states where a background check is required for every handgun sale, 38 percent fewer women are shot and killed by abusive partners. Texas is not one of those states.

When it comes to the should-haves and could-haves of domestic violence murders, one “should” appears to be clear: Domestic abusers should not have access to firearms. But abusers can easily sidestep background checks by purchasing from private sellers, or shopping for weapons at a gun show, and efforts to close those loopholes have been thwarted."

A Grim Tally Abusers Guns and the Women They Kill

Dumb ass gun shows do back ground checks

I'm actually starting to like the utter stupidity of your posts. My bet is that you have no idea what you actually wrote.

If your sentence were correct, it would read:

Dumb ass, gun shows do background checks.

Not true and grammatically incorrect, but at least its punctuated correctly and makes sense. Better would be, "Gun shows do perform background checks, dumb ass". Not true but correctly written.

The way you wrote it means you're calling the guns shows "dumb ass".

The question is, how can we get gun shows to do background checks, dumb ass?

Dumb ass gun shows do back ground checks did you not comprehend it the first time?

 

[Toro]

What is the homicide rate for Japanese people living in Japan compared to Japanese Americans?

Up through 1979, the FBI reported homicide arrests sorted by racial breakdowns which included “Japanese.” For the period 1976-1978, 21 of 48,695 arrests for murder and non-negligent manslaughter were of Japanese-Americans, or 0.04% (U.S. FBI 1977-1979). . .

Applying this fraction to the total of 57,460 homicides yields an estimate of 24.78 killings by Japanese-Americans for 1976-1978, or about 8.26 per year. . .

With 791,000 persons of Japanese ancestry in the United States in 1980 (U.S. Bureau of the Census 1984), this translates into an annual rate of 1.04 homicides per 100,000 population. . . .

For the same 1976-1978 period, the annual homicide rate in Japan. . . If this was true for 76-78, the homicide rate in those years was 0.98 per 100,000 pop.​

From your link

The Japanese homicide rate is probably lower than that of Japanese
Americans, but there is insufficient data to have any certainty.

Good job.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Not many Polynesians living in Canada, Holland, New Zealand or the UK though.

Whites are 89% of the 10 whitest states in America. Blacks, Hispanics and Natives are 8.7%. The murder rate is 2.3.

Whites are 77% of Canada. Blacks, Hispanics and Natives are 7.4%. The murder rate is 1.7.

Canada is by far a more multi-racial society than the 10 whitest states. If your theory was correct, Canada should be a more murderous society, because it is a more multi-racial society, and more diversity means more distrust, and, of course, more killing. Yet, that's not the case. Canada is more multi-racial, yet the murder rate is drastically lower. The murder rate amongst whites is still higher than amongst the more multi-cultural Canada.

You are such an over-the-top drama queen.

The difference between a homicide rate of 2.3 and 1.7 is not "drastic."

The homicide rates of African Americans are far, fare, far higher than that for Asians, Hispanics and Natives so what you're doing is playing a game like this:

Take a bowl of Cream of Mushroom soup and spice it up by adding 10% volume of another substance. You add 10% milk and I add 10% Tabasco Sauce. Now both bowls of soup are "diverse" but one is actually far spicier than the other.

A small number of African Americans in a white community can drastically alter the homicide statistics.

Look at liberal Washington State where only 3.6% of the population is black.:

 

[Rikurzhen]

What is the homicide rate for Japanese people living in Japan compared to Japanese Americans?

Up through 1979, the FBI reported homicide arrests sorted by racial breakdowns which included “Japanese.” For the period 1976-1978, 21 of 48,695 arrests for murder and non-negligent manslaughter were of Japanese-Americans, or 0.04% (U.S. FBI 1977-1979). . .

Applying this fraction to the total of 57,460 homicides yields an estimate of 24.78 killings by Japanese-Americans for 1976-1978, or about 8.26 per year. . .

With 791,000 persons of Japanese ancestry in the United States in 1980 (U.S. Bureau of the Census 1984), this translates into an annual rate of 1.04 homicides per 100,000 population. . . .

For the same 1976-1978 period, the annual homicide rate in Japan. . . If this was true for 76-78, the homicide rate in those years was 0.98 per 100,000 pop.​

From your link

The Japanese homicide rate is probably lower than that of Japanese
Americans, but there is insufficient data to have any certainty.

Good job.

Do you have trouble with reading comprehension? The initial analysis listed the Japanese homicide rate for that period as 2.45 per 100,000. This was higher than the 1.04 per 100,000 from the FBI data for Japanese-Americans. The page I linked noted that the Japanese data appeared to combine two categories into one and then he corrected for that.

Your stupidity here is rising to alarmingly high levels. Should we stage an intervention for you?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Skull -

This isn't about blame - it's about preventing deaths.

If we can work to prevent accidents, suicides or homicides, I think those are actions worth considering.

I agree that accidents can never be totally ruled out because of stupidity, but we can have laws that ensure that gun owners are sane, competent people who understand the need for adequate locks etc on their weapons.

Those laws are unenforceable.

If you want to decide who and who cannot exercise a right on the outcome of some sanity test then tell me where do you stop?

How about denying people the right to procreate because their answers on some psych test are not quite right by your standards?

I'll never understand you people it seems your quest to save people from themselves knows no bounds.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Skull -

This isn't about blame - it's about preventing deaths.

If we can work to prevent accidents, suicides or homicides, I think those are actions worth considering.

I agree that accidents can never be totally ruled out because of stupidity, but we can have laws that ensure that gun owners are sane, competent people who understand the need for adequate locks etc on their weapons.

Those laws are unenforceable.

If you want to decide who and who cannot exercise a right on the outcome of some sanity test then tell me where do you stop?

How about denying people the right to procreate because their answers on some psych test are not quite right by your standards?

I'll never understand you people it seems your quest to save people from themselves knows no bounds.

It seems that they really understand the concept of human rights.

 

[BullKurtz]

The Japs have the most stringent gun laws imaginable. No pistols. And to own a shotgun or long gun, one must pass psychological exams and have family members vouch for the applicant that he's not excitable. If you've ever seen a Godzilla movie you know most Nips are very excitable. Then the authorities come to the potential gun owners home and inspect it for suitable storage of the weapon. If there are young kids in the home, that's it...no sale. So comparing "gun violence" in Japan compared to here is hilarious. The only guys carrying there are Yakuza criminals.

 

[TrueMan]

It doesn't say whether the person they injured was white or black. If white, why isn't this a hate crime? If black, why aren't the pundits up in arms about black on black crime?

 

[Saigon]

It seems that they really understand the concept of human rights.

Exactly - and great that you can see and understand that protecting human life is a human right.

And that is why our schools are safer than yours. Because we consider a safe school to be a human rights issue.

 

[Unkotare]

The ... criminals.

This topic in no way requires your stupid fucking racist nonsense, you dickless moron. Save your spineless shame for a more appropriate venue, cockbreath.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Exactly - and great that you can see and understand that protecting human life is a human right.

And that is why our schools are safer than yours. Because we consider a safe school to be a human rights issue.

Because your schools are filled with Finns and our schools are not.