Immigration Reform is now dead, taking with it the future of the GOP

[The Rabbi]

Building a wall and hauling people off to camps won't really cut it though.

It would work just fine.
Don't just "haul people off to camps", though. We don't want them here. Period.

Follow that up with deportation within 48 hours of arrival at the camp and you have a winner.

Actually it wont. For starters no nation has successfully defended its border by putting up a wall that size. It is impossible to police it all. Second, you can deport them back to, e.g. Mexico. Then what? They will simply sneak over again. It is impossible to secure the US from ilegal immigrants without turning the place into a police state.

 

[Anathema]

Too bad! That's how a republic works.

Which is why I have no use for a Republic style of government. It allows the fools as much say as the intelligent people.

...and who, pray tell, is more suited to decide what is "good" "right" "decent" and "legal" than the people? That's how governments work. (excluding dictatorships where the dictator decides what is "goodrightwrongdecentlegal" with no input from citizens.) See North Korea.

Right and Wrong were determined thousands of years ago by the first human beings to form societies. They defined the roles of Men and women in society, they determined how society should work, and nothing has changed that since.

 

[Seawytch]

Yeah, well, not deporting kids who have lived here practically their whole lives is the right thing to do AND supported by a majority of Americans.

Illegal is the key word here. Not how long they've been here.


If a bank robber doesn't get caught for "practically his whole life" (whatever THAT means), should he be excused for committing the crime?

If a female gets raped and the rapist lives "practically his whole life" before DNA evidence catches him...should the rape be excused?

That may be your opinion, but it is not an opinion shared by a majority of Americans. These kids are American. They went to American schools, speak fluent English and in their hearts ARE American. They even want to serve in our U.S. Military, something that should give them automatic citizenship.

Wow, you guys really stretch for your ridiculous analogies don't you? A kid brought to the US by his parents is like a rapist?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

The problem is the corruption within the mexican govt and their bad economy. Fix those and illegal immigration will simply go away.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Yeah, well, not deporting kids who have lived here practically their whole lives is the right thing to do AND supported by a majority of Americans.

Illegal is the key word here. Not how long they've been here.


If a bank robber doesn't get caught for "practically his whole life" (whatever THAT means), should he be excused for committing the crime?

If a female gets raped and the rapist lives "practically his whole life" before DNA evidence catches him...should the rape be excused?

That may be your opinion, but it is not an opinion shared by a majority of Americans. These kids are American. They went to American schools, speak fluent English and in their hearts ARE American. They even want to serve in our U.S. Military, something that should give them automatic citizenship.

Wow, you guys really stretch for your ridiculous analogies don't you? A kid brought to the US by his parents is like a rapist?

This mass exodus occurring at the border hasn't been living here.

 

[Rotagilla]

Yeah, well, not deporting kids who have lived here practically their whole lives is the right thing to do AND supported by a majority of Americans.

Illegal is the key word here. Not how long they've been here.


If a bank robber doesn't get caught for "practically his whole life" (whatever THAT means), should he be excused for committing the crime?

If a female gets raped and the rapist lives "practically his whole life" before DNA evidence catches him...should the rape be excused?

That may be your opinion, but it is not an opinion shared by a majority of Americans. These kids are American. They went to American schools, speak fluent English and in their hearts ARE American. They even want to serve in our U.S. Military, something that should give them automatic citizenship.

Illegal means against the law.

Wow, you guys really stretch for your ridiculous analogies don't you? A kid brought to the US by his parents is like a rapist?

hahahaha...semantic distortion. Everyone knows that's not what I said. LMAO...
careful, you'll pull a muscle twisting and dodging like that.

 

[Katzndogz]

Building a wall and hauling people off to camps won't really cut it though.

It would work just fine.
Don't just "haul people off to camps", though. We don't want them here. Period.

Follow that up with deportation within 48 hours of arrival at the camp and you have a winner.

Actually it wont. For starters no nation has successfully defended its border by putting up a wall that size. It is impossible to police it all. Second, you can deport them back to, e.g. Mexico. Then what? They will simply sneak over again. It is impossible to secure the US from ilegal immigrants without turning the place into a police state.

Of course it is possible. We did it for well over a hundred years. It only got to be a problem when we started giving away free stuff. Have proof of citizenship before a child can start school. Stop giving them medical care. Prosecute all employers who hire illegals. Proof of citizenship to prove eligibility for public benefits. Deport the parents of children born here. Get rid of the magnets.

 

[Rotagilla]

Building a wall and hauling people off to camps won't really cut it though.

It would work just fine.
Don't just "haul people off to camps", though. We don't want them here. Period.

Follow that up with deportation within 48 hours of arrival at the camp and you have a winner.

Actually it wont. For starters no nation has successfully defended its border by putting up a wall that size. It is impossible to police it all. Second, you can deport them back to, e.g. Mexico. Then what? They will simply sneak over again. It is impossible to secure the US from ilegal immigrants without turning the place into a police state.

It works fine for israel.
They round up any illegals and put them in concentration camps (ironic, no?) to await deportation.
...and they don't make excuses about it, either.

Israel rounds up African migrants for deportation | Reuters


"This is only a small group of the infiltrators," Interior Minister Eli Yishai said. "I'm not acting out of hatred of strangers but love of my people and to rescue the homeland."

"My policy with regard to the illegal infiltrators seeking work is clear," Netanyahu said in a May 29 speech. "First of all, to stop their entry with the fence and at the same time to deport the infiltrators who are in Israel."

He warns of Africans "flooding" and "swamping" Israel, threatening "the character of the country". Emergency measures to reverse the influx will include "detention facilities with thousands of units", Netanyahu said last week.

Poor south Tel Aviv residents say affluent north Tel Aviv Jews can afford to be liberal, because the Africans are not in their back yard. An opinion poll last week showed 52 percent of Israelis agree that the Africans are "a cancer".

Netanyahu urges restraint. "We are a moral people and we will act accordingly. We denounce violence; we denounce invective. We respect human rights," he said, but added: "Israel cannot accept "infiltrators from an entire continent".

Voluntary deportees will get financial assistance.

"Whoever comes forward will get his grant ... from the moment you come to immigration authorities and say you will pack up, from that moment you will be given an opportunity to pack up, and the grant of 1,000 euros," Yishai said.

The first planeload is expected to leave Israel next week.

 

[JimH52]

His support for Obama's Immigration Reform is what tanked him.

Actually, the word in Virginia is Democrats voting in the GOP primary tanked him. That makes sense...

Did Democratic Meddling Defeat Eric Cantor? | The Weekly Standard

So try again Frankie.

 

[Katzndogz]

Democrats have to claim victory with some story or other. The whole world of the democrat is crumbling right along with obama.

 

[bendog]

The TP is claiming that Cantor's supposed support for Immigration Reform is the reason he lost. I am not sure that is totally true, but a chill is now passing through the establishment Republicans. They will run, not walk away, from anything that even resembles Immigration Reform. What does this mean?

This means the long term survival of the GOP is in serious trouble. As the GOP runs away from IR, the Hispanic community will further distance itself from the GOP. If this happens, demographic changes will make it near impossible for the GOP to maintain a majority in the House by 2020. National elections will be out of the questions and such reliable red states such as Texas and Louisiana could be turning blue. 2014 may be the GOP's last chance to win the Senate.

The battle within the GOP can only be seen as a plus for the Democrats, but they cannot sit on their laurels and expect to win. They need to continue to make IR a huge issues in all of their elections. There will be a time when the Hispanic Community steps away from the Dems, but it is nowhere in sight.

Opinions?

The problem right now is that we have laws for immigration and many aren't being enforced. Couple that with the mass exodus that sees a free ride from the O admin and you have a potentially deadly crisis at the border. Most of this is Os fault...not all of it.

Why is it Obama's fault when immigration reform proposals are not much different from those proposed by BushII? the idea we can round them up and ship them back has been proven time and again to be a factual impossibility and some RW fantasy bordering on porn.

You want to secure the border. License those working here, and make it extremely painful financially to hire an unlicensed noncitizen.

 

[bendog]

The TP is claiming that Cantor's supposed support for Immigration Reform is the reason he lost. I am not sure that is totally true, but a chill is now passing through the establishment Republicans. They will run, not walk away, from anything that even resembles Immigration Reform. What does this mean?

This means the long term survival of the GOP is in serious trouble. As the GOP runs away from IR, the Hispanic community will further distance itself from the GOP. If this happens, demographic changes will make it near impossible for the GOP to maintain a majority in the House by 2020. National elections will be out of the questions and such reliable red states such as Texas and Louisiana could be turning blue. 2014 may be the GOP's last chance to win the Senate.

The battle within the GOP can only be seen as a plus for the Democrats, but they cannot sit on their laurels and expect to win. They need to continue to make IR a huge issues in all of their elections. There will be a time when the Hispanic Community steps away from the Dems, but it is nowhere in sight.

Opinions?

The problem right now is that we have laws for immigration and many aren't being enforced. Couple that with the mass exodus that sees a free ride from the O admin and you have a potentially deadly crisis at the border. Most of this is Os fault...not all of it.

Why is it Obama's fault when immigration reform proposals are not much different from those proposed by BushII? the idea we can round them up and ship them back has been proven time and again to be a factual impossibility and some RW fantasy bordering on porn.

You want to secure the border. License those working here, and make it extremely painful financially to hire an unlicensed noncitizen.

But I'm beginning to agree with Jim. Brat organized a plan to get dems to crossover and send Cantor to a loss. If that's true, it may be the first time I've heard of a guy working a cross over to defeat someone in HIS OWN PARTY. That would be very despicable. Reagan would be not amused.

 

[RoadVirus]

This means the long term survival of the GOP is in serious trouble. As the GOP runs away from IR, the Hispanic community will further distance itself from the GOP. If this happens, demographic changes will make it near impossible for the GOP to maintain a majority in the House by 2020. National elections will be out of the questions and such reliable red states such as Texas and Louisiana could be turning blue. 2014 may be the GOP's last chance to win the Senate.

Here we go again. The Liberal mantra about "shifting demographics" and "the end of the GOP is nigh".

You know what? Who gives a rip roaring fuck what Hispanics think about the GOP when it comes to immigration? If pissing on immigration reform kills the GOP, then so be it. At least the GOP will die with some fucking dignity, unlike the Dumbos and RINOs, on their knees kissing Brown asses for votes.

 

[RoadVirus]

If this happens, demographic changes will make it near impossible for the GOP to maintain a majority in the House by 2020.

How will these demographic changes occur without immigration reform?

Our Asshole in Chief will keep using his EO pen to give citizenship to every uneducated Third Worlder that illegally crosses our border.

 

[kaz]

Immigration Reform is now dead, taking with it the future of the GOP

So people were going to vote Republican, but only if there was a deal with Democrats on immigration. Where do you come up with this crap? Don't answer that...

 

[bendog]

First the micks, then the blacks and now these "people." democracy's a dirty business. LOL

 

[RoadVirus]

The TP is claiming that Cantor's supposed support for Immigration Reform is the reason he lost. I am not sure that is totally true, but a chill is now passing through the establishment Republicans. They will run, not walk away, from anything that even resembles Immigration Reform. What does this mean?

This means the long term survival of the GOP is in serious trouble. As the GOP runs away from IR, the Hispanic community will further distance itself from the GOP. If this happens, demographic changes will make it near impossible for the GOP to maintain a majority in the House by 2020. National elections will be out of the questions and such reliable red states such as Texas and Louisiana could be turning blue. 2014 may be the GOP's last chance to win the Senate.

The battle within the GOP can only be seen as a plus for the Democrats, but they cannot sit on their laurels and expect to win. They need to continue to make IR a huge issues in all of their elections. There will be a time when the Hispanic Community steps away from the Dems, but it is nowhere in sight.

Opinions?

They can start kissing Texas goodbye, that's for sure.

Oh well. Pucker up Libby...José's pants are down and he's waiting for you.

 

[RoadVirus]

Xenophobia will not win in the long run.

This is America.

The multi-cultured outnumber the Tea Brain bigots.

Standard exaggeration and hyperbole.

Wanting to close borders and enforce immigration laws does not = "xenophobia".

Libturd retreads can't resist throwing the race card out.

 

[The Rabbi]

It would work just fine.
Don't just "haul people off to camps", though. We don't want them here. Period.

Follow that up with deportation within 48 hours of arrival at the camp and you have a winner.

Actually it wont. For starters no nation has successfully defended its border by putting up a wall that size. It is impossible to police it all. Second, you can deport them back to, e.g. Mexico. Then what? They will simply sneak over again. It is impossible to secure the US from ilegal immigrants without turning the place into a police state.

Of course it is possible. We did it for well over a hundred years. It only got to be a problem when we started giving away free stuff. Have proof of citizenship before a child can start school. Stop giving them medical care. Prosecute all employers who hire illegals. Proof of citizenship to prove eligibility for public benefits. Deport the parents of children born here. Get rid of the magnets.

We had a wall on the Mexican border for 100 years? Wow, didnt know that.
The issue is not so much free stuff, although that also comes into play. The issue is people coming here to work. How do you prevent that? The only way that's worked so far is producing a shitty economy with few construction jobs.

 

[RoadVirus]

Building a wall and hauling people off to camps won't really cut it though.

It would work just fine.
Don't just "haul people off to camps", though. We don't want them here. Period.

Follow that up with deportation within 48 hours of arrival at the camp and you have a winner.

Actually it wont. For starters no nation has successfully defended its border by putting up a wall that size. It is impossible to police it all. Second, you can deport them back to, e.g. Mexico. Then what? They will simply sneak over again. It is impossible to secure the US from ilegal immigrants without turning the place into a police state.

It's impossible, so we just throw up our hands and give up?

We can at least TRY.