Illegal gun factory found in Britain....but, they banned and confiscated guns...

[2aguy]

Criminals are going to get guns no matter what laws you create. The gun control laws that rule in Britain only disarm law abiding British Citizens and increase the violent crime rate......

'Large-scale' illegal gun factory uncovered in Sussex warehouse

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yet the British isles are ten to twelves times safer per capita and populations than the US.

About fifty to sixty more last weekend in Chicago were shot while three were in the entire British isles in one week.

So comparing those numbers suggest that lifting gun regs in the UK would result is a great rise in shooting victims.

I know, 2aguy, data and statistics in comparison are a horrible thing to a libertarian gun lover.

 

[polarbear]

Yet the British isles are ten to twelves times safer per capita and populations than the US.

About fifty to sixty more last weekend in Chicago were shot while three were in the entire British isles in one week.

So comparing those numbers suggest that lifting gun regs in the UK would result is a great rise in shooting victims.

I know, 2aguy, data and statistics in comparison are a horrible thing to a libertarian gun lover.

There are areas where you can buy guns in a store and are larger than the British Isles in the US that are also 12 times safer than the areas which are not safe. The OP made the point that criminals find a way to obtain guns regardless. Unless you also start banning all metal working tools right down to a hacksaw, file and vise

Banning something legal because it can be used illegally will in no way prevent it`s illegal use.
The same people who support this gun banning pseudo logic opted to "solve" the problem with illegal drug use by decriminalizing it...go figure

 

[2aguy]

Yet the British isles are ten to twelves times safer per capita and populations than the US.

About fifty to sixty more last weekend in Chicago were shot while three were in the entire British isles in one week.

So comparing those numbers suggest that lifting gun regs in the UK would result is a great rise in shooting victims.

I know, 2aguy, data and statistics in comparison are a horrible thing to a libertarian gun lover.

No, they aren't as safe as the United States they are more violent. You have been shown that statistic over and over an pretend it doesn't exist.

Gun murder in Britain has never been large....even before they banned and confiscated guns British criminals did not commit murder....now, they have increased their gun murders, after they banned guns.

Since gun crime in the U.K. is going up after the ban, and gun crime in the U.S. is going down as more Americans own and carry guns, you don't know what you are talking about...

The truth...

Britain...banned guns....

Yorkshire sees highest number of crimes for any county in Britain according to figures

“In particular we’re shocked to see an increase of nearly 30 per cent in weapon possession offences between 2016 and 2017.”

Crimes covered violent and sexual offences, vehicle theft, public order offences, possession of weapons, shoplifting, personal theft, drug crimes, robbery, criminal damage, bicycle thefts and anti-social behaviour.


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Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .


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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

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He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

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Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

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Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.


The U.S., 600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense.......

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[JakeStarkey]

2aguy can lie all he wants, but the number betray him Every. Single. Time.

 

[2aguy]

2aguy can lie all he wants, but the number betray him Every. Single. Time.

I just posted the numbers, dipshit, from British news sources.......you can't lie when the truth is so easily found...