If you ruled the US...

What would you do to change America if you ran it?


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Bring America back to around 1965 in governmental structure and fund science, r&d and infrastructure the way it should be.

And you guys think us libertarians want to go back in time.


:lmao:

Going back when we were at the top of our game and when the government was more respectful of our rights. You're the ones that want to go back to 1785!:badgrin:
And we'd have more liberty than YOU would know what to do with, without government holding your hand through life, MATT. YOU would be lost.
 
Bring America back to around 1965 in governmental structure and fund science, r&d and infrastructure the way it should be.

And you guys think us libertarians want to go back in time.


:lmao:

Going back when we were at the top of our game and when the government was more respectful of our rights. You're the ones that want to go back to 1785!:badgrin:

Why on earth do you think it's crazy that people want to go back to when our rights were codified in the Constitution insted of conveniently ignoring it for ny pet project a power crzed politician gets?
 
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If I ruled the US as President, my first action would be to sign an EO saying Congress nor the SCOCTUS have any right to strike down any EOs I may issue. Then, I would issue a second EO saying that a new Constitutional Convention is to be called with delegates from all states present elected for that one purpose, writing a new Constitution. I, naturally, would appoint myself President of the Convention. As president of it, I would try mainly to redefine and reinforce the protections and rights guaranteed by the Constitution, as well as reform the structure of Gov't.
I would make the Supreme Court have eleven justices: 5 elected from regions of the country, 3 appointed by the POTUS, and 1 elected by each chamber of the Congress (I would make three branches). Also, justices would have term limits and would be staggered to ensure each president gets to appoint so many. The Congress would have 3 houses: one proposing social laws, one for matters of economics, and another for world affairs. Each house would be comprised of 150 members, each state being granted 3 representatives. On matters of joint responsibility, one house may plead to the SCOTUS to review it and call for all houses involved together to vote on it. To pass a law, the proposing branch must achieve a 60% majority, followed by at least a 30% minority from the other houses. Each candidate is only allowed to be in 1 house at a time. The president would be forced to relinquish much power to an elected group of specialists similar to the Cabinet, and would be elected to 5 year terms, can be elected twice, and if a 80% majority of all houses vote so, a recall election may be held to throw out the old president.
What would you do?

All that of course would be unconstitutional...since ur imperial presidency would violate the balance of powers which is at the heart of the U.S. Constitution...


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For starters, no more pretense of a Republic, or a Democracy, or a Democratic Republic. The Elites will rule, which is as it should be. Since we can actually get shit done now, most people will find they have more freedom, not less, and their lives are more rational and rewarding.

Question: why would the Elites, once given total power, give a darn about the commoner?
It's their job, but more importantly, their duty. Trust me, we make our nut as well.

You seriously expect me to believe the Elite would care for the poor and middle class rather than relentlessly exploit them after the Republic is completely done away with out of a sense of duty?
 
The two legal and Constitutional ways to call a Convention do not involve the President at all. One is for Both Houses of Congress to call for a Convention and the other is for the States to do so. Further neither method provides that the sitting President of the US is President of the Convention.

Executive Orders are only statements clarifying what the President intends the Executive to about laws. He does not have the power to declare he is above the Supreme Court nor the Congress. Further he can not use an executive order to make new law nor to declare another branch of the Government is not allowed to preform its constitutional duties as spelled out BY the Constitution.

You obviously didn't read my OP that well. The EO would pretty much void Congress and the SCOTUS to do anything to me. Besides, I know that the President controls the military, and as I would call a new Convention to right a new Constitution, something many right-wing gun owners would probably support, and as Andrew Jackson once said, "John Marshall (the SCOTUS Chief Justice at the time) has made his decision; now let him enforce it!" Congress and the SCOTUS can't fight the US military and the citizens.
 
Question: why would the Elites, once given total power, give a darn about the commoner?
It's their job, but more importantly, their duty. Trust me, we make our nut as well.

You seriously expect me to believe the Elite would care for the poor and middle class rather than relentlessly exploit them after the Republic is completely done away with out of a sense of duty?
Elites do such things. They aren't like the greedy ignorant asses you people elect currently. They have morals, and a sense of honor and duty.
 
Sorry OP. I reject your premise.

Shrug.

Oh, well. If I did run the US, after that Convention was done I would resign. I hate ruling over people. So, in a way, I reject my own OP. Its kind of just a discussion starter, you know?
 
It's their job, but more importantly, their duty. Trust me, we make our nut as well.

You seriously expect me to believe the Elite would care for the poor and middle class rather than relentlessly exploit them after the Republic is completely done away with out of a sense of duty?
Elites do such things. They aren't like the greedy ignorant asses you people elect currently. They have morals, and a sense of honor and duty.

You sound like a sophomoric romanticist. "Morals", "honor", and "duty" are gone in the world. Or at least on the road to being dead. Trust me, for every honest man you propose who genuinely care, another ten would rise as cruel, oppressive tyrants.
 
If I ruled the US as President, my first action would be to sign an EO saying Congress nor the SCOCTUS have any right to strike down any EOs I may issue. Then, I would issue a second EO saying that a new Constitutional Convention is to be called with delegates from all states present elected for that one purpose, writing a new Constitution. I, naturally, would appoint myself President of the Convention. As president of it, I would try mainly to redefine and reinforce the protections and rights guaranteed by the Constitution, as well as reform the structure of Gov't.
I would make the Supreme Court have eleven justices: 5 elected from regions of the country, 3 appointed by the POTUS, and 1 elected by each chamber of the Congress (I would make three branches). Also, justices would have term limits and would be staggered to ensure each president gets to appoint so many. The Congress would have 3 houses: one proposing social laws, one for matters of economics, and another for world affairs. Each house would be comprised of 150 members, each state being granted 3 representatives. On matters of joint responsibility, one house may plead to the SCOTUS to review it and call for all houses involved together to vote on it. To pass a law, the proposing branch must achieve a 60% majority, followed by at least a 30% minority from the other houses. Each candidate is only allowed to be in 1 house at a time. The president would be forced to relinquish much power to an elected group of specialists similar to the Cabinet, and would be elected to 5 year terms, can be elected twice, and if a 80% majority of all houses vote so, a recall election may be held to throw out the old president.
What would you do?

All that of course would be unconstitutional...since ur imperial presidency would violate the balance of powers which is at the heart of the U.S. Constitution...


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Unless the people or the military rebelled while I let the states build a new Constitution, the SC can say what they want, they couldn't knock me down.

And did I mention the Constitution would be REWRITTEN!
 
You seriously expect me to believe the Elite would care for the poor and middle class rather than relentlessly exploit them after the Republic is completely done away with out of a sense of duty?
Elites do such things. They aren't like the greedy ignorant asses you people elect currently. They have morals, and a sense of honor and duty.

You sound like a sophomoric romanticist. "Morals", "honor", and "duty" are gone in the world. Or at least on the road to being dead. Trust me, for every honest man you propose who genuinely care, another ten would rise as cruel, oppressive tyrants.
It's not romance, it's what rises when all else goes down the toilet. It's an evil world filled with evil beings. The Elites are aware but there is little they can do while the populous slits its own throat. They bide their time but their time is coming again. You have every right to be cynical about the common man, about the state of the world run by them. It's why they shouldn't be allowed to gain power. When they do you get what we have, cruelty and immorality presented as normal and good.

What you see is a world run by ignorant selfish men. It can be done better but not as long as people accept that what it is is all that it can be. Until that changes, and it will when the house of cards really crashes, it is what it is.
 
Elites do such things. They aren't like the greedy ignorant asses you people elect currently. They have morals, and a sense of honor and duty.

You sound like a sophomoric romanticist. "Morals", "honor", and "duty" are gone in the world. Or at least on the road to being dead. Trust me, for every honest man you propose who genuinely care, another ten would rise as cruel, oppressive tyrants.
It's not romance, it's what rises when all else goes down the toilet. It's an evil world filled with evil beings. The Elites are aware but there is little they can do while the populous slits its own throat. They bide their time but their time is coming again. You have every right to be cynical about the common man, about the state of the world run by them. It's why they shouldn't be allowed to gain power. When they do you get what we have, cruelty and immorality presented as normal and good.

What you see is a world run by ignorant selfish men. It can be done better but not as long as people accept that what it is is all that it can be. Until that changes, and it will when the house of cards really crashes, it is what it is.

I believe our disagreement stems largely from me misunderstanding your term "Elite". I assumed you were talking about idiots like Obama, but I guess you aren't, so whom exactly are you referring to?
 
a new Constitutional Convention is to be called with delegates from all states present elected for that one purpose, writing a new Constitution. I, naturally, would appoint myself President of the Convention. As president of it, I would try mainly to redefine and reinforce the protections and rights guaranteed by the Constitution, as well as reform the structure of Gov't.

Liberals (in both parties) aren't obeying the Constitution we have now.

What gives you the idea that writing a new one will make any difference?

You're wasting your time.

Why not figure out a way to enforce the Constitution we have now? There's really very little wrong with it.

BTW, you know that a Constitutional Convention can't change the Constitution, right? It can only propose changes.

Anything it passes, still must be ratified by 3/4 of the states, or else it goes in the trash can.
 
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You obviously didn't read my OP that well. The EO would pretty much void Congress and the SCOTUS to do anything to me. Besides, I know that the President controls the military, .




 
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If I ruled the US as President, my first action would be to sign an EO saying Congress nor the SCOCTUS have any right to strike down any EOs I may issue. Then, I would issue a second EO saying that a new Constitutional Convention is to be called with delegates from all states present elected for that one purpose, writing a new Constitution. I, naturally, would appoint myself President of the Convention. As president of it, I would try mainly to redefine and reinforce the protections and rights guaranteed by the Constitution, as well as reform the structure of Gov't.
I would make the Supreme Court have eleven justices: 5 elected from regions of the country, 3 appointed by the POTUS, and 1 elected by each chamber of the Congress (I would make three branches). Also, justices would have term limits and would be staggered to ensure each president gets to appoint so many. The Congress would have 3 houses: one proposing social laws, one for matters of economics, and another for world affairs. Each house would be comprised of 150 members, each state being granted 3 representatives. On matters of joint responsibility, one house may plead to the SCOTUS to review it and call for all houses involved together to vote on it. To pass a law, the proposing branch must achieve a 60% majority, followed by at least a 30% minority from the other houses. Each candidate is only allowed to be in 1 house at a time. The president would be forced to relinquish much power to an elected group of specialists similar to the Cabinet, and would be elected to 5 year terms, can be elected twice, and if a 80% majority of all houses vote so, a recall election may be held to throw out the old president.
What would you do?

All that of course would be unconstitutional...since ur imperial presidency would violate the balance of powers which is at the heart of the U.S. Constitution...


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Unless the people or the military rebelled while I let the states build a new Constitution, the SC can say what they want, they couldn't knock me down.

And did I mention the Constitution would be REWRITTEN!



Kid, you would be doing yourself a great favor by shutting the fuck up until you're a little older and have the first fucking clue what you are talking about. You're going to look back on this silly shit and feel embarrassed.
 
If I ruled the US as President, my first action would be to sign an EO saying Congress nor the SCOCTUS have any right to strike down any EOs I may issue. Then, I would issue a second EO saying that a new Constitutional Convention is to be called with delegates from all states present elected for that one purpose, writing a new Constitution. I, naturally, would appoint myself President of the Convention. As president of it, I would try mainly to redefine and reinforce the protections and rights guaranteed by the Constitution, as well as reform the structure of Gov't.
I would make the Supreme Court have eleven justices: 5 elected from regions of the country, 3 appointed by the POTUS, and 1 elected by each chamber of the Congress (I would make three branches). Also, justices would have term limits and would be staggered to ensure each president gets to appoint so many. The Congress would have 3 houses: one proposing social laws, one for matters of economics, and another for world affairs. Each house would be comprised of 150 members, each state being granted 3 representatives. On matters of joint responsibility, one house may plead to the SCOTUS to review it and call for all houses involved together to vote on it. To pass a law, the proposing branch must achieve a 60% majority, followed by at least a 30% minority from the other houses. Each candidate is only allowed to be in 1 house at a time. The president would be forced to relinquish much power to an elected group of specialists similar to the Cabinet, and would be elected to 5 year terms, can be elected twice, and if a 80% majority of all houses vote so, a recall election may be held to throw out the old president.
What would you do?

I picked "keep the government about the same". Only with one change. Anyone holding a high public office such as state senator, governor, US Senator, Congressperson or President would have to have at least a master's degree in science with a minor in economics. Being a career lawyer would be a disqualifier. They'd have to have real life experience working in the real world and could not have been "born into money".

Yep, that would shake things up all right and make them a lot more livable for the 99%..
 
Kid, you would be doing yourself a great favor by shutting the fuck up until you're a little older and have the first fucking clue what you are talking about. You're going to look back on this silly shit and feel embarrassed.

King Raven is pretty new to the board. Why don't you give him a break, asshole. I think this is a good thread. Go troll somewhere else.
 
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All that of course would be unconstitutional...since ur imperial presidency would violate the balance of powers which is at the heart of the U.S. Constitution...


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Unless the people or the military rebelled while I let the states build a new Constitution, the SC can say what they want, they couldn't knock me down.

And did I mention the Constitution would be REWRITTEN!



Kid, you would be doing yourself a great favor by shutting the fuck up until you're a little older and have the first fucking clue what you are talking about. You're going to look back on this silly shit and feel embarrassed.
Doubtful.
 
Kid, you would be doing yourself a great favor by shutting the fuck up until you're a little older and have the first fucking clue what you are talking about. You're going to look back on this silly shit and feel embarrassed.

King Raven is pretty new to the board. Why don't you give him a break, asshole. I think this is a good thread. Go troll somewhere else.


I care about people. I don't want to see the kid end up like you - too set on 'stupid' to ever fix.


By the way, how's that mass evacuation of Tokyo going, moron?
 

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