If we had a capitalist health care system life expectancy would probably be 100-110.

[healthmyths]

We had that system right up to the time that Medicare was created. No children were turned away because they couldn't pay, and people were not dying on the streets. Medical rates were reasonable, insurance costs were reasonable, and this country prospered. Most hospitals were community or church sponsored, and rich people contributed considerably to the cause, and or course, to get their names on one or more of the buildings.

I imagine that some child, somewhere, was refused medical care because they couldn't pay, but that was definitely not the norm in the USA.

Medicare screwed up our medical care system. Not because it was not a good idea, but because it was run by dumbasses who didn't have any concept of what they were doing. Unlimited amounts of government money sponsored corruption throughout the system, and drove up costs tremendously. Medicaid finished the job, and now we need a new government program to fix the mess created by the existing government programs.

There are more problems caused by profit seeking than anything. We have not produced a cure for anything in a long time because the drug companies concentrate on drug therapies that require you to take a drug for the rest of your life. To contrast, antibiotics were developed by US and British scientists who worked for their governments and gave away the patents for penicillin to the world for free.

Son, I worked for a health insurance company before Medicare went into effect, and you are reciting pure bull shit....

These IDIOTs blaming an industry that under penalty of imprisonment sign financial statements that show an average of 80% of every dollar in
premium is paid out in claims! Then according to state laws that require reserves for future claims these companies must have a profit to build reserves. So when all said and done average insurance company spends:
80¢ of every dollar for claims
16¢ of every dollar for administration computers,salaries, FICA,
4¢ left for profit of which 30% goes for taxes leaving less the 2¢ profit to build reserves!

NO if these idiots KNEW anything about insurance they would be pissed at what 90% of the doctors who FILE claims with the companies state:
"Physicians estimate the cost of defensive medicine in US at $650 to $850 billion per year. This is 26 to 34% of all US healthcare costs.
Up to 92% of US physicians practice defensive medicine.
SOURCE: Health News Observer ? Physicians Estimate The Cost Of Defensive Medicine In Us At 650 To 850 Bill Articles

$850 billion a year that per the experts, i.e. doctors they waste because they fear lawsuits!

 

[macmac]

People born in the US will have an expected life span lower than virtually all other developed countries.

Many underdeveloped countries could also teach you a thing or two about looking after your people. Maybe sending a fact finding mission to Cuba would help.


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[bripat9643]

No one wants to run the country like hungary.

of course thats 100% liberal and idiotic. Obama inherited the largest most regulating govt in American History and all he wants to do is make it far far bigger still. THE more lib soviet regulation fails the more libs want more regulation to solve the problem.

"Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want bread."-Thomas Jefferson

The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.


This was precisely the tactic of “infiltration” advocated by Lenin and Stalin.[3] As Communist International General Secretary Georgi Dimitroff told the Seventh World Congress of the Comintern in 1935:
"Comrades, you remember the ancient tale of the capture of Troy. Troy was inaccessible to the armies attacking her, thanks to her impregnable walls. And the attacking army, after suffering many sacrifices, was unable to achieve victory until, with the aid of the famous Trojan horse, it managed to penetrate to the very heart of the enemy’s camp."[4]

C. S. Lewis on Diabolical Democracy, Socialism, and Public Education « Conservative Colloquium


Buckley endorsed Chambers’ analysis of modern liberalism as a watered-down version of Communist ideology. The New Deal, Chambers insists, is not liberal democratic but “revolutionary” in its nature and intentions, seeking “a basic change in the social and, above all, the power relationships within the nation.”

"I am for socialism, disarmament, and, ultimately, for abolishing the state itself... I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and the sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal."
--- Roger Nash Baldwin

Bush did some deregulating and those things caused the housing & wallstreet crashes and his great recession.

We don't want socialism. BUT, we also don't want prisons, police and all schools to be for profit. We don't want a corporation owning Yellowstone but we know you do.

I'm not against the EPA and FDA and other federal government agencies. These things should not be privatized.

So our country is part capitalism & part socialism.

Oh, I got one for you. We may agree on this. I don't like private bankers being the people behind the Federal Reserve. Is the Fed socialism or capitalism? The bankers that run the Federal Reserve aren't even necessarily all Ameicans. Should we have the gold standard? I wish the government would run this. Remember the bank robbery of 2007 on Bush's watch? That was done on purpose because the bankers now own the government. Bush works for them. The TARP was just a big bank robbery.

Bush didn't deregulate a thing, you witless Obama dick sucking drone. Under Bush regulations increased by leaps and bounds.

 

[Mr Natural]

Millionaires and Billionaires can afford any medical procedures and healthcare they want. If capitalistic healthcare increases lifespans 20 years, why aren't the rich already living 110 years?

Maybe because our communist healthcare system is stifling innovation.

 

[bripat9643]

Millionaires and Billionaires can afford any medical procedures and healthcare they want. If capitalistic healthcare increases lifespans 20 years, why aren't the rich already living 110 years?

The rich account for only a small percentage of healthcare spending, moron. The middle class account for the vast bulk of it. It's their spending that determines what advances are maid. That is, so long as government doesn't get involved. Then a bunch of witless bureaucrats make all the decisions.

 

[JakeStarkey]

There are more problems caused by profit seeking than anything. We have not produced a cure for anything in a long time because the drug companies concentrate on drug therapies that require you to take a drug for the rest of your life. To contrast, antibiotics were developed by US and British scientists who worked for their governments and gave away the patents for penicillin to the world for free.

Son, I worked for a health insurance company before Medicare went into effect, and you are reciting pure bull shit....

These IDIOTs blaming an industry that under penalty of imprisonment sign financial statements that show an average of 80% of every dollar in
premium is paid out in claims! Then according to state laws that require reserves for future claims these companies must have a profit to build reserves. So when all said and done average insurance company spends:
80¢ of every dollar for claims
16¢ of every dollar for administration computers,salaries, FICA,
4¢ left for profit of which 30% goes for taxes leaving less the 2¢ profit to build reserves!

NO if these idiots KNEW anything about insurance they would be pissed at what 90% of the doctors who FILE claims with the companies state:
"Physicians estimate the cost of defensive medicine in US at $650 to $850 billion per year. This is 26 to 34% of all US healthcare costs.
Up to 92% of US physicians practice defensive medicine.
SOURCE: Health News Observer ? Physicians Estimate The Cost Of Defensive Medicine In Us At 650 To 850 Bill Articles

$850 billion a year that per the experts, i.e. doctors they waste because they fear lawsuits!

Sounds like what Congress has done to the USPS>

 

[rdean]

Republicans think "supply and demand" is a wild liberal theory. And they think to lecture the world on the benefits of "trickle down". Trickle down, tax cuts and cutting safety regulations - their entire economic policy. No wonder everyone laughs at them.

can you say why you disagree with capitalism? Would you favor tax cuts for the poor, who don't pay taxes by the way, so their new businesses and inventions, encouraged by the tax cuts, will trickle up to the rich?
Isn't thinking fun?

I'll tell you what, why don't you give us a detailed explanation of what you imagine capitalism to be? Because your other statement seem to indicate you don't have a clue. Clear that up for us. Show everyone you know what you are talking about.

Still waiting. Come on EB. Impress us with your amazing understanding.

 

[Contumacious]

Millionaires and Billionaires can afford any medical procedures and healthcare they want. If capitalistic healthcare increases lifespans 20 years, why aren't the rich already living 110 years?

Maybe because our communist healthcare system is stifling innovation.

You are right even though you are being facetious since from your standpoint communism , er, excuse me , progressivism is the ideal economic system.

You are partially correct

The VA system is communistic since it is owned by the government in its entirety

Medicare, medicaid our fascistic since those covered may go wherever they want to. But the heqlth care provider is under massive regulation.

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[EdwardBaiamonte]

Because your other statement seem to indicate you don't have a clue. Clear that up for us. Show everyone you know what you are talking about.

what other statement??