If the state of New York passed a law in which the state seized ownership of all private businesses and corporate offices, who would stop them"?

[Tom Paine 1949]

For Christ’s sake, New York City is not merely not “not capitalist”— it is the center of American finance capitalism, and will probably remain that for decades. That home of Wall Street can survive even a populist Trump administration. For the banks and great capitalist money centers there, domestic politics is not very important — not in the way it is to most of us USMB peasants. They don’t much care about “woke” or “unwoke.” They care about money. They are pretty damn confident that a second Trump Administration is manageable, just like the first one was and just as Democrats are. Of course there is quite a bit of contempt for Trump due to his big mouth and many failed and bankrupted businesses.

 

[Magnus]

It is generally what I mean.

You have state laws, fine, but they all must follow your Constitution and Bill of Rights. Furthermore, they are in fact setting an entirely new precedent. In fact, this ruling and application of this law has NEVER, in the 250 years of your nations history been applied in this manner.

No victim. No complaint from a victim. People testifying that they were happy with the terms and the outcome and STILL they do this to Trump. It isn't just the far-left behind them I'm sure.

If anyone believes this is all just some random coincidence because Trump is the one man this new application met the criteria to be applied, I have a bridge for sale. He certainly must win in an appeal.

What the fuck about a victimless crime that you idiots keep bandying about? Because of Trump, the banks lost about $168 million dollars. Which means their shareholders lost money. Victimless crime, indeed.

As for your other statement that this has never happened. What the fuck do you know about our laws?

Go look up Sam Bankman-Fried. He was convicted of the exact same crime. Civil fraud. Same crime of defrauding investors.

In his case, the fine is low but he is going to prison for a long time.

Next time use Google or whatever the fuck search engine you have and educate yourself before posting. Will help you look less of a fool. Class dismissed.

 

[shockedcanadian]

What the fuck about a victimless crime that you idiots keep bandying about? Because of Trump, the banks lost about $168 million dollars. Which means their shareholders lost money. Victimless crime, indeed.

As for your other statement that this has never happened. What the fuck do you know about our laws?

Go look up Sam Bankman-Fried. He was convicted of the exact same crime. Civil fraud. Same crime of defrauding investors.

In his case, the fine is low but he is going to prison for a long time.

Next time use Google or whatever the fuck search engine you have and educate yourself before posting. Will help you look less of a fool. Class dismissed.

We have a live one here!

Stop gaslighting. Please. Really, consider the broader impact, consider history and the overreach of government and prosecutors BEFORE they even get the job, promising to destroy a man, a political opponent who is an outsider that they don't want in.

Let me tell you. I watch old spy documentaries and historic movies addictively. The future will not be bright for citizens of the West if this is allowed to continue. It's a promise.

I would speak the same regardless of the politician, party or nation.

 

[Magnus]

We have a live one here!

Stop gaslighting. Please. Really, consider the broader impact, consider history and the overreach of government and prosecutors BEFORE they even get the job, promising to destroy a man, a political opponent who is an outsider that they don't want in.

Let me tell you. I watch old spy documentaries and historic movies addictively. The future will not be bright for citizens of the West if this is allowed to continue. It's a promise.

I would speak the same regardless of the politician, party or nation.

LOL. Gaslighting? Do you know what the fuck the word means? Stop embarrassing yourself.

I addressed two specific points that you brought up. Do you have any response to that?

I’m guessing not. Once a retard…

 

[shockedcanadian]

LOL. Gaslighting? Do you know what the fuck the word means? Stop embarrassing yourself.

I addressed two specific points that you brought up. Do you have any response to that?

I’m guessing not. Once a retard…

Sorry, I will take the opinion of people such as Kevin O'Leary and many other business leaders before yours.

This is the usual witch hunt and everyone knows it, even those who hate Trump. It's been one thing after another and his desire to keep fighting has helped him immensely.

 

[sparky]

Go look up Sam Bankman-Fried. He was convicted of the exact same crime. Civil fraud. Same crime of defrauding investors.

SEC.gov | SEC Charges Samuel Bankman-Fried with Defrauding Investors in Crypto Asset Trading Platform FTX

www.sec.gov

Isn't Sam's 'crime' doing what the Fed does every day?

~S~

 

[Magnus]

Sorry, I will take the opinion of people such as Kevin O'Leary and many other business leaders before yours.

This is the usual witch hunt and everyone knows it, even those who hate Trump. It's been one thing after another and his desire to keep fighting has helped him immensely.

Yup, I was right. You couldn’t respond. Now, you see why I call you retard.

 

[Magnus]

SEC.gov | SEC Charges Samuel Bankman-Fried with Defrauding Investors in Crypto Asset Trading Platform FTX

www.sec.gov

Isn't Sam's 'crime' doing what the Fed does every day?

~S~

Yeah, that’s very original. As a prize, you get to play in traffic. Git.

 

[Rambunctious]

 

[Rambunctious]

You guys have sanctuary cities, free money to illegals, photo I.D, student debt wiped out in spite of the S.C Ruling against it and you somehow believe a state would not take such extreme steps at some point in the future?

Exactly right...

 

[justoffal]

Let's call it for what it is, New York is not capitalist nor a district based on the Rule of Law, Due Process and equal justice.

Considering the massive shift I have seen in my lifetime. A shift that would not be tolerated 30 years ago, it is not at all outlandish to think that the state won't at some point take the extreme position as in the title. We saw what happened during covid, we see how they disregard legal norms, this is not at all a large step.

In fact, I would imagine smart money would be on it occurring sometime within the next 25-30 years,

When it does, who will stop them?

That's when you would discover who is REALLY IN CHARGE.... hint....it's not Albany.

 

[justoffal]

For Christ’s sake, New York City is not merely not “not capitalist”— it is the center of American finance capitalism, and will probably remain that for decades. That home of Wall Street can survive even a populist Trump administration. For the banks and great capitalist money centers there, domestic politics is not very important — not in the way it is to most of us USMB peasants. They don’t much care about “woke” or “unwoke.” They care about money. They are pretty damn confident that a second Trump Administration is manageable, just like the first one was and just as Democrats are. Of course there is quite a bit of contempt for Trump due to his big mouth and many failed and bankrupted businesses.

Spot on...

 

[justoffal]

It is a basic principle of law in this country..and in yours...that society is the victim whenever a crime is committed. Because all sides involved were content at how Trump's deliberate misstatements worked out does NOT exempt him from the legal consequences of his actions. Those laws are in place partly to provide a level playing field..by gaining access to funds by lying..that he would not have had access to had he told the truth..Trump cheated--and that's against the law.
That you can argue that many rich people routinely do this and get away with it..I believe that to be true BTW..is irrelevant in law.
Yes, they changed the law, with malice aforethought, to catch Trump. Is that slimy? Yes.
Does that mean that Trump did not break the law and knowingly misrepresent his assets?
No..it does not.
He will not win on appeal..as the legal principles are actually quite simple. There simply are no grounds.

Well put and pretty much accurate. Their only misstep? Thinking they could make a surgical correction in an entrenched system. Ergo...
The 800 million pound Gorilla.
That silver back is there!

 

[justoffal]

I’m also not clear on what our Canadian friend is contemplating.

It sort of seems like the concern is that NY State (which has tilted so far to the left that it may eventually become a different type of government) may eventually try to become something more or less akin to communist?

If that’s the concern, I don’t share it. For that to happen, the U.S. Government would have to permit it. But since it violates Constitutional requirements, I don’t believe the Federal Government could allow it.

If the U.S. did permit it, we’d be in an even deeper pile of shit, anyway.

It would also trigger a massive interruption in the revenue stream. Businesses don't have to pay taxes on what they don't own.

 

[para bellum]

Go look up Sam Bankman-Fried. He was convicted of the exact same crime. Civil fraud. Same crime of defrauding investors.

Nonsense. SBF was convicted in Federal Court on 2 counts of wire fraud and 5 counts of conspiracy to commit. Those were criminal charges for SEC violations, brought by the SEC and prosecuted by the DOJ.

There were real victims who lost money. He was charged with the crimes, he had a jury trial and was convicted on all counts.

There is ZERO comparison between that case and Trump.

 

[Magnus]

Nonsense. SBF was convicted in Federal Court on 2 counts of wire fraud and 5 counts of conspiracy to commit. Those were criminal charges for SEC violations, brought by the SEC and prosecuted by the DOJ.

There were real victims who lost money. He was charged with the crimes, he had a jury trial and was convicted on all counts.

There is ZERO comparison between that case and Trump.

Did the banks lose money? Yes or no?

Which means less profits. Less money for shareholders.

But hey, you know who you should convince? The judge. Go for it. You won’t do any worse than the big boobs lawyer that Trump currently has.

 

[justoffal]

Did the banks lose money? Yes or no

No....

They signed the contract.

 

[para bellum]

Did the banks lose money? Yes or no?

Not one penny. They made loans that were paid back on time and with interest. They made their own financial assessments and said Trump was a "whale" account they were thrilled to get his business.

Which means less profits. Less money for shareholders.

Not according to the banks. er- "victims".

But hey, you know who you should convince? The judge. Go for it. You won’t do any worse than the big boobs lawyer that Trump currently has.

Sure, maybe I can catch him perving on the girls down at the gym.

If Trump ripped off the banks, why is the State of New York not giving the money back to the banks?

 

[AZrailwhale]

What the fuck about a victimless crime that you idiots keep bandying about? Because of Trump, the banks lost about $168 million dollars. Which means their shareholders lost money. Victimless crime, indeed.

As for your other statement that this has never happened. What the fuck do you know about our laws?

Go look up Sam Bankman-Fried. He was convicted of the exact same crime. Civil fraud. Same crime of defrauding investors.

In his case, the fine is low but he is going to prison for a long time.

Next time use Google or whatever the fuck search engine you have and educate yourself before posting. Will help you look less of a fool. Class dismissed.

What is your source for the banks losing money? If they lost money, how come they were supporting Trump instead of climbing on James’ bandwagon to recover those losses you claim they took? Banks don’t stay in business by losing money.

 

[Kruska]

If the state of New York passed a law in which the state seized ownership of all private businesses and corporate offices, who would stop them"?​

,
When it does, who will stop them?

The US constitution and those responsible to uphold/enforce it. Do you MAGA's know anything? aside from propagating your Fuehrers bull?