If the Dems win in Georgia today

[jbrownson0831]

What does it mean? Well, for starters it means the seats in the Senate would be split 50-50 and VP Kamala Harris would cast the deciding vote. But what it really means is that the democrats could change our gov't forever if they have the votes to abolish the filibuster, which as you no doubt know means the majority party in the Senate could pass any bill with only a simple majority. The Senate currently requires 60 votes to stop the debate on a given bill, and you can't vote on any bill until that vote (called cloture) passes.

There is a reason for that requirement. The 60 votes for cloture is there to prevent what is called the "tyranny of the majority". It was feared that the minority party would have no say at all in the Senate, as it currently doesn't in the House. They can squawk all they want but they cannot do anything of substance in the House. Not so in the Senate, up to now at least; these days there is no appetite in either party to cooperate and compromise, it' all obstruction to politically hurt the majority and hopefully get them voted out of office in the next election. And it works too at least sometimes. Hence, no working together on just about anything.

There are 2 Senate seats up for grabs today; if the GOP takes one or both of them then the controversy is over and the filibuster lives for at least 2 more years. But if the democrats take both seats, well..

I believe that if the democrats take both seats they will abolish the filibuster in some way that tries to avoid looking like a power grab but fools no one. The intense pressure from their base will be too hard to ignore IMHO. And if that happens then compromise and cooperation will forever be gone. When one side does that, the other side will follow suit when they take over, and they eventually will. Maybe that will spur the rise of a 3rd political party that would require some kind of coalition; I think that would be a good thing with or without the filibuster. Otherwise, it's a one-party gov't if you can manage to control everything.

Dems will win for sure, Sleepy Joe promised $2000 dreg welfare checks will be sent out if the Dems take this one.

 

[initforme]

I think the middle, or center, is by far the best place to govern from.

 

[BlindBoo]

Where is the filibuster or cloture in the Constitution? How would changing a Senate rule change the fundamentals of our Constitutional Republic?

Frankly, I don't think they could get all 50 senators (assuming the Dems pick up the two in Ga.) on board either. It's a sword that cuts both ways.

Show me the last time that any democrat dared to defy the party.

The House and Senate over turned one of Obama's firsts Executive Orders.

 

[White 6]

You make that sound like a bad thing.

Its very bad if you like centrist government

Had no chance for centrist government under trump and trump republicans.

Or, Obama and Obama democrats.
Obama was the reason we ended up with Trump.
Incredible to watch the wheels in motion with government.

No. Hillary was the reason we ended up with trump. True, it was Democrats in general that seemed like they want to give it to her because it was her turn, though I never saw a reason she would automatically have a turn, and of course she used the power of the democratic apparatus to sink Burnie. Seeing the Burn this year, I cannot say I am sorry about that either. Be that as it may, I have come to the theory that if one party runs a truly shitty, duplicitous candidate, simply out for themself and whatever fools they can carry or attract, the other party will settle for a similarly rotten self serving candidate. Kind of like playing tennis, you will never play your best game if your opponent is not worth a $hit. Or in basketball, if playing a truly $hitty team it is time to trot out your "B" team and bench warmers.

 

[Mac-7]

You make that sound like a bad thing.

Its very bad if you like centrist government

Had no chance for centrist government under trump and trump republicans.

Trump voters are very centrist

But even if you disagree the left had plenty of ways to blunt anything trump voters supported

 

[White 6]

You make that sound like a bad thing.

Its very bad if you like centrist government

Had no chance for centrist government under trump and trump republicans.

Or, Obama and Obama democrats.
Obama was the reason we ended up with Trump.
Incredible to watch the wheels in motion with government.

It wasn't so much Obama as to why we ended up with Trump. It was Hillary.

And Obama does not explain why Trump beat Cruz and the other 17 Republican candidates in the primaries.

Trump won the primary becausee the GOP is a hollowed out shell of its former self.

Hillary made it easy, it was Obama that made Trump even run for the presidency. Make no mistake about that, liberal.
Trump exposed what was behind the curtain with our government.

I'm not a liberal, dumbass. I'm a Never Trumper old school conservative.

Nice ta meet ya.

 

[task0778]

Dems will win for sure, Sleepy Joe promised $2000 dreg welfare checks will be sent out if the Dems take this one

It seems to me that is perilously close to bribery on a vast scale.

 

[White 6]

You make that sound like a bad thing.

Its very bad if you like centrist government

Had no chance for centrist government under trump and trump republicans.

Or, Obama and Obama democrats.
Obama was the reason we ended up with Trump.
Incredible to watch the wheels in motion with government.

It wasn't so much Obama as to why we ended up with Trump. It was Hillary.

And Obama does not explain why Trump beat Cruz and the other 17 Republican candidates in the primaries.

Trump won the primary because the GOP is a hollowed out shell of its former self. It is filled with psychos, retards, hypocrites, liars, self-dealers, and bigots.

And the left is filled with marxists, racists, retards, hypocrites, liars, prejudice, bigots etc.

Indeed. Which is exactly why I did not vote for either major party candidate.

Second thing you have type in last 30 minutes to indicate you as a man of principle.

 

[Mac-7]

Obama wasn't the reason for Trump. Neither was Hillary. Trump was the result of the crazy right wingers who would prefer to burn it all down than to change the direction of their party.

All trump did was win the nomination

it was the never trump RINOs who preferred self-immolation to cooperation

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

The House and Senate over turned one of Obama's firsts Executive Orders.

Until documented your anecdotal tales don't carry any weight.

 

[White 6]

You make that sound like a bad thing.

Its very bad if you like centrist government

Had no chance for centrist government under trump and trump republicans.

Or, Obama and Obama democrats.
Obama was the reason we ended up with Trump.
Incredible to watch the wheels in motion with government.

It wasn't so much Obama as to why we ended up with Trump. It was Hillary.

And Obama does not explain why Trump beat Cruz and the other 17 Republican candidates in the primaries.

Trump won the primary because the GOP is a hollowed out shell of its former self. It is filled with psychos, retards, hypocrites, liars, self-dealers, and bigots.

Obama wasn't the reason for Trump. Neither was Hillary. Trump was the result of the crazy right wingers who would prefer to burn it all down than to change the direction of their party.

The entire tyrannical govt is filled with corruption and needs to be burnt to the ground.

What a cry baby little quitter. Anarchism is no way to save the country of the founding fathers, dude.

 

[Rye Catcher]

How about this: When one chamber passes a bill, and the other house puts the bill on the leaders desk for 90 days collecting dust, on the 91st day the bill will go to the President for his approval or veto.

Yes, that will create another Constitutional Crisis.

 

[White 6]

You make that sound like a bad thing.

Its very bad if you like centrist government

Had no chance for centrist government under trump and trump republicans.

Trump voters are very centrist

But even if you disagree the left had plenty of ways to blunt anything trump voters supported

Don't know how you figure that. Blind support for a proven liar and rabble-rouser is not a centrist position. Support for national leader that demonstrates hatred for anybody that did not vote for his isn't either. Lock up kids at the border, shipping them around the country and fighting in the court to keep from giving them back is not a centrist position. Advocating and attempting to put Federal troops on the streets because you do not like the way local government is handling a known problem is not a centrist position that even the military could go along with. How about stealing money approved by both houses of congress from the military to illegally fund something you could not get through congress? Nope. Not centrist in the slightest, just right wing populous, and pretty well indicative of right wing (almost autocratic) authoritarianism.

 

[Mac-7]

Blind support for a proven liar and rabble-rouser is not a centrist position.

Thats your spin

trump voters are well informed and support trump based on the issues

dont blame us if your candidates are stiff and boring while ours is not

 

[busybee01]

What does it mean? Well, for starters it means the seats in the Senate would be split 50-50 and VP Kamala Harris would cast the deciding vote. But what it really means is that the democrats could change our gov't forever if they have the votes to abolish the filibuster, which as you no doubt know means the majority party in the Senate could pass any bill with only a simple majority. The Senate currently requires 60 votes to stop the debate on a given bill, and you can't vote on any bill until that vote (called cloture) passes.

There is a reason for that requirement. The 60 votes for cloture is there to prevent what is called the "tyranny of the majority". It was feared that the minority party would have no say at all in the Senate, as it currently doesn't in the House. They can squawk all they want but they cannot do anything of substance in the House. Not so in the Senate, up to now at least; these days there is no appetite in either party to cooperate and compromise, it' all obstruction to politically hurt the majority and hopefully get them voted out of office in the next election. And it works too at least sometimes. Hence, no working together on just about anything.

There are 2 Senate seats up for grabs today; if the GOP takes one or both of them then the controversy is over and the filibuster lives for at least 2 more years. But if the democrats take both seats, well..

I believe that if the democrats take both seats they will abolish the filibuster in some way that tries to avoid looking like a power grab but fools no one. The intense pressure from their base will be too hard to ignore IMHO. And if that happens then compromise and cooperation will forever be gone. When one side does that, the other side will follow suit when they take over, and they eventually will. Maybe that will spur the rise of a 3rd political party that would require some kind of coalition; I think that would be a good thing with or without the filibuster. Otherwise, it's a one-party gov't if you can manage to control everything.

What it means is that it would be a 50-50 tie. To get to 50-50, Democrats would have to bring along Joe Manchin in West Virginia, Jon Tester in Montana, Krysten Sinema and Mark Kelly in Arizona.

It is time that the 60 vote requirement was ended. It was set up at a time when both parties were willing to legislate and work together to compromise. That is no longer true today. Republicans decided to reject everything that Obama put forward. Even now they are trying to dictate to Joe Biden what he can do.

If Democrats take both seats then it will diminish the power of McConnell. This is a good thing It might force him to be more honest. There will be no compromise or cooperation from Republicans whether the Republicans lose or win today. The fact is that the Republicans are the party that is moving to the extreme right and represent a threat to this country. I see no one on the Republican side that would consider a compromise. How about you naming Republican senators who are open to compromise.

 

[busybee01]

It will mean the people have had it with RINO politicians that never got into the fight until their butt was on the line....the GOP sat back and allowed the dems and the media to commit treason aimed at Trump.....for 4 years!!! one baseless accusation after another....did McConnell ever defend Trump?....not once that I can remember...how about McCarthy?....sits in his CA office and hides under his desk....

The accusations had a strong basis in fact. There was no treason. That is being committed by Trump and his supporters.

 

[bripat9643]

It will mean the people have had it with RINO politicians that never got into the fight until their butt was on the line....the GOP sat back and allowed the dems and the media to commit treason aimed at Trump.....for 4 years!!! one baseless accusation after another....did McConnell ever defend Trump?....not once that I can remember...how about McCarthy?....sits in his CA office and hides under his desk....

If someone is shitting on the furniture, you don't defend them.

Trump shit all over the furniture.

Only the weakminded grabbed a spoon to eat it up.

How did Trump "shit all over the furniture?"

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

What does it mean? Well, for starters it means the seats in the Senate would be split 50-50 and VP Kamala Harris would cast the deciding vote. But what it really means is that the democrats could change our gov't forever if they have the votes to abolish the filibuster, which as you no doubt know means the majority party in the Senate could pass any bill with only a simple majority. The Senate currently requires 60 votes to stop the debate on a given bill, and you can't vote on any bill until that vote (called cloture) passes.

There is a reason for that requirement. The 60 votes for cloture is there to prevent what is called the "tyranny of the majority". It was feared that the minority party would have no say at all in the Senate, as it currently doesn't in the House. They can squawk all they want but they cannot do anything of substance in the House. Not so in the Senate, up to now at least; these days there is no appetite in either party to cooperate and compromise, it' all obstruction to politically hurt the majority and hopefully get them voted out of office in the next election. And it works too at least sometimes. Hence, no working together on just about anything.

There are 2 Senate seats up for grabs today; if the GOP takes one or both of them then the controversy is over and the filibuster lives for at least 2 more years. But if the democrats take both seats, well..

I believe that if the democrats take both seats they will abolish the filibuster in some way that tries to avoid looking like a power grab but fools no one. The intense pressure from their base will be too hard to ignore IMHO. And if that happens then compromise and cooperation will forever be gone. When one side does that, the other side will follow suit when they take over, and they eventually will. Maybe that will spur the rise of a 3rd political party that would require some kind of coalition; I think that would be a good thing with or without the filibuster. Otherwise, it's a one-party gov't if you can manage to control everything.

Pack the court
DC and PR become states
Green New Deal
UH
Reparations

Fascism 101

 

[Flash]

Another example of Democrat election fraud. China Joe's Chicom buddies set up the Pandemic to create the unverified mail in ballot scam.

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Jovan Hutton Pultizer reported yesterday that ballots were received in the 2020 election that were completed by machine.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[bendog]

You make that sound like a bad thing.

Its very bad if you like centrist government

Had no chance for centrist government under trump and trump republicans.

Or, Obama and Obama democrats.
Obama was the reason we ended up with Trump.
Incredible to watch the wheels in motion with government.

No. Hillary was the reason we ended up with trump. True, it was Democrats in general that seemed like they want to give it to her because it was her turn, though I never saw a reason she would automatically have a turn, and of course she used the power of the democratic apparatus to sink Burnie. Seeing the Burn this year, I cannot say I am sorry about that either. Be that as it may, I have come to the theory that if one party runs a truly shitty, duplicitous candidate, simply out for themself and whatever fools they can carry or attract, the other party will settle for a similarly rotten self serving candidate. Kind of like playing tennis, you will never play your best game if your opponent is not worth a $hit. Or in basketball, if playing a truly $hitty team it is time to trot out your "B" team and bench warmers.

Well TR's and LBJ's parties controlled all of the Congress for their entire terms. TR couldn't get civil rights for blacks to move ever, and he was only partially successful in regulating interstate commerce and anti-competitive agreements by creating the interstate commerce commission after he won his election. LBJ did not get Medicare passed till his landslide election, and even then Wilber Mills played the roll of reluctant debutante. Obama ended up with Obamacare because their weren't the dem votes for single payor.

BUT the difference was that McConnell decided to pretty much filibuster EVERYTHING he could with Obama. To make him a one termer. McConnell's motivations haven't been entirely made clear, at least I haven't seen it. They intensely disliked each other personally. Given McConnell's packing the Courts, it seems to me that he fears the dems will enact laws that are contrary to individual rights, and they will pursue a "socialism of the middle class." McConnell's tax cuts have already created a safety net for millionaires.