If socialism is so great, why has almost every country that tried it abandoned it?

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  1. Blackrook
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    Half the world used to be socialist, but now people in those countries have abandoned socialism and are now enjoying the fruits of the capitalist system.

    Why should the United States convert to a system that's a proven failure?

    Let's tell Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and AOC that if they like socialism so much, they can move to Cuba.
     
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    Because, in a word, socialism SUCKS. You're welcome.
     
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    This socialism vs capitalism thing is just a red herring to distract democrats and republicans alike from the real issues, IMO.
     
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    Socialism is real issue when two of the top candidates of one of the major political parties are advocating for it.
     
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    Every nation on Earth, including the US, is socialist to some degree.

    Heres a fun fact: as much as you asshats like to cherry pick examples of failed socialist states like Venezuela, you should know that Venezuela has a private economy.
     
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    While incredibly different ideas, they compliment each other.
     
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    I don't understand this shit either. After thousands of years, humanity pulls itself out of feudalism and begins setting up systems where the little guy gets to be king of his own castle in stead of everyone being the serfs of the people in power, only to decide that we need to set up yet ANOTHER system where those in power decide everyone else's occupation and pay scale. Brilliant. I'm sure that the fact that THESE dictators will be elected will keep 'em honest. Just like how politicians currently who are beholden to democratic systems are all honest, AMIRITE!?
     
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    When the government is the sole provider of health care, it literally controls every aspect of your life.
     
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    Not every nation. The Venezuelans and Cubans might be suffering from socialism but they still think it works. It's just being prevented from being fully successful
     
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    It's a cycle, and it keeps happening because people are too stupid to read history. Everyone thinks they can "do it better" which is why, when you point out all the failed socialist states, the standard leftist retort is: "Well that wasn't real socialism!"

    In the words of Alexander Tytler -

    “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.”

    We're in the apathy stage now. Our debt is enormous, our social welfare programs are insolvent... we can't even run the goddamn Postal service without bleeding red ink. And we keep piling it on.

    It's all going to go *poof*. Then the government will announce that it has a plan to save everyone, people will fall for it, become completely dependent on them (10s of millions already are) and we'll be thrust back into bondage under authoritarian rule.
     
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