If only John McCain had won the GOP in 2000, the world would be a much better place.

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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060122/ap_on_go_co/us_mccain_oil

    McCain: U.S. Can't Be Held Hostage for Oil

    WASHINGTON - A top Republican lawmaker said Sunday that America must explore alternate energy sources to avoid being held hostage by Iran or by "wackos" in Venezuela an apparent reference to Hugo Chavez, Venezuela's populist president.

    Sen. John McCain, a potential presidential contender in 2008, said recent action by "Mr. Chavez" and by Iran's leaders make it clear that the United States will be vulnerable as long as it remains dependent on foreign energy.

    "We've got to get quickly on a track to energy independence from foreign oil, and that means, among other things, going back to nuclear power," McCain said on Fox News Sunday.

    "We better understand the vulnerabilities that our economy, and our very lives, have when we're dependent on Iranian mullahs and wackos in Venezuela," said McCain, who challenged President George W. Bush for the Republican presidential nomination in 2000.

    Iran is OPEC's second-largest producer. Venezuela is the world's fifth-largest oil exporter, with the largest proven oil reserves outside of the Mideast.

    Chavez, a frequent U.S. critic, accuses foreign oil companies of having looted Venezuela. He has promised that his socialist "revolution" is freeing the country from "imperialist" interests and restoring its sovereignty.
     
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    Mccain is a bloviating titty twister, but going nuclear rocks! :rock: Drilling in ANWR TOO! :rock:
     
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    so if mccain had been elected:

    9/11 would not have happend

    dafur would not have happened

    Nk would not have nukes

    iran would be well iran

    sadam would still be in charge

    school children in russia would still be alive

    tsunami's would not have happend

    katrina and rita would have not happened

    yes ..... one man changes everything

    the title of this thread is so dumb it makes my head hurt
     
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    What's the point of making up a bunch of things that I didn't say so that you can pretend to ridicule a post that I did make.

    Just stick to what's in front of you. If you want to know more of my thoughts, ask. I'll tell you.
     
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    did i say you said those things? no

    did i direct my post at you? no

    am i not allowed to make observations or express my self unless you give me permission?

    i have no interst in what your thoughts are but thank you for the offer to share.
     
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    Yes you did...

    "the title of this thread is so dumb it makes my head hurt"
     
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    a moment ago you said i made things up and was not sticking to what was in front of me....are you now saying i didn't make things up and i was responding to what was in front of me...

    is it beyond you .... that it is more than likely that all of the things i listed would have happened no matter who was president .... to imply in the title of your thread that electing mccain would change the world is naive ... his impact would minimal as the US is not driving world issues
     
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    Uh... both?

    While I appreciate that you are now admitting that your comments were in fact directed at me (contrary to your prior attempts to suggest otherwise), and that's very big of you given that you've been cornered and it's too obvious to try denying any further, it doesn't let you off the hook.

    You responded to my post with a list of things that you made up and rhetorically suggested that my comment was dumb because those things would still have happened (as if I assumed none of those things would not have happened under McCain).

    You dishonestly and conveniently ignored a whole host of other things that might not be the case today, the primary of which is emphasized in this very article - that being a national focus on ditching oil in favor of alternative energy sources.

    You chose to ignore the exceedingly obvious point of the comments and the thread in favor of a bunch of straw man arguments that were never made by me at any point. All with the hope of obfuscating and hijacking the discussion in a direction that would leave you a greater chance of scoring a few political points, and at the expense of an honest discussion of the issues.
     
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    is this suposed to convince me to agree with you?

    you post a thread title that implies mcain would alter the world....given your politics the implicating being for the better, do you honestly belive the world would be different? which factual events that have occured since 2000, that i listed, which you state are straw men, would not have occured if mccain had been elected?

    the content of the article is about forigen oil dependance. tell me how would mccain have reduced US dependance on forieign oil?

    i state my opinion on the luancy of your thread title.....and all you can do is provide sweeping dismissals ....

    yes you have corned and exposed me....i am crushed....
     
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    Your failure is to assume that the only things that could possibly change the world were the things you listed.

    As I've pointed out already, the thread starter is about alternative energy. Even though it's the subject of the thread and of McCain's comments, it somehow didn't make it onto your list though it was the only issue I explicitly raised.
     

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