If Obama gets the Dem nomination, how will the November election go?

Little-Acorn

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All the major Dem candidates are of the extreme-left variety. Corporations are always the bad guys, nationalize more and more of the economy, raise taxes, more govt control, judges who make up laws as they go, etc. They also want to appease our enemies in war and open our borders in various large degrees, which isn't particularly leftist but merely insane.

In the past, whenever the Dems ran a candidate who was that far left, he's gotten creamed (see McGovern, Jimmah, Mondale). Even when they ran against a Republican who was moderately liberal, they still lost (see Gore, Kerry). The only Democrat to win in the last few generations pretended to be a "moderate" (Clinton), and even he never got a majority of the vote, despite running against candidates not very far to the right of his own feigned position.

Obama, Hillary, and Edwards are all of the McGovern mold of modern extreme leftist. As such, they're already in trouble. But Obama has one thing the others don't, obviously: He's black.

Racism is mostly gone in this country... but not completely. And in the November election, the nominee from each party obviously needs huge numbers of votes from the people in their own party, plus a hefty share of the "independent" vote.

That wouldn't be a problem if the Republican nominee were black. But the Democrat party is the party of racism, going back even before the Civil war - an attitude that has not gone away even today. This is the party who continuously proclaims that minorities - and blacks as a group in particular - cannot make it without government help. And while saying this, they make no such claim about whites as a group. Bu they continuously push programs that keep blacks subservient and dependent on government, even while instructing them that they, the Democrats, will somehow "help" them with those programs.

Many Democrats would undoubtedly vote for Obama anyway. Racism in the Democrat paty is not as pervasive as it once was. But it is not gone. There is still enough left to sustain the attitude that blacks are inferior to whites economically.

And this will sadly remove some Democrat votes from Obama's column, that he would have gotten if he were not black. And given his extreme leftism, he doesn't have votes to spare.

Personally I doubt that Obama's skin color will be the deciding factor in November, were he to become the Dem nominee. I believe his extreme leftist leanings will lose him so many votes (mostly from independents), that whatever more he loses to the racists and bigots in his own party, will be irrelevant. But even if the "independents" have moved so far to the left (see Lieberman) that he gets substantial votes from them, his color may alienate enough Democrat votes to become the straw that breaks the camel's back.

We'll see in November, in the event that Obama gets the Dem nomination. Of course, no Democrat will tell any pollster that he voted against Obama (or stayed home) because of Obama's skin color. If the Dems have learned nothing else in the last fifty years, they've learned not to tell the truth about what they really want.

Any of the top three Dem candidates will be in trouble in November, simply due to their McGovern-like leftist extremism and military confusion. But the last thing any of them needs, is to lose votes from their constituents who otherwise would have accepted their leftism.
 
All the major Dem candidates are of the extreme-left variety. Corporations are always the bad guys, nationalize more and more of the economy, raise taxes, more govt control, judges who make up laws as they go, etc. They also want to appease our enemies in war and open our borders in various large degrees, which isn't particularly leftist but merely insane.

In the past, whenever the Dems ran a candidate who was that far left, he's gotten creamed (see McGovern, Jimmah, Mondale). Even when they ran against a Republican who was moderately liberal, they still lost (see Gore, Kerry). The only Democrat to win in the last few generations pretended to be a "moderate" (Clinton), and even he never got a majority of the vote, despite running against candidates not very far to the right of his own feigned position.

Obama, Hillary, and Edwards are all of the McGovern mold of modern extreme leftist. As such, they're already in trouble. But Obama has one thing the others don't, obviously: He's black.

Racism is mostly gone in this country... but not completely. And in the November election, the nominee from each party obviously needs huge numbers of votes from the people in their own party, plus a hefty share of the "independent" vote.

That wouldn't be a problem if the Republican nominee were black. But the Democrat party is the party of racism, going back even before the Civil war - an attitude that has not gone away even today. This is the party who continuously proclaims that minorities - and blacks as a group in particular - cannot make it without government help. And while saying this, they make no such claim about whites as a group. Bu they continuously push programs that keep blacks subservient and dependent on government, even while instructing them that they, the Democrats, will somehow "help" them with those programs.

Many Democrats would undoubtedly vote for Obama anyway. Racism in the Democrat paty is not as pervasive as it once was. But it is not gone. There is still enough left to sustain the attitude that blacks are inferior to whites economically.

And this will sadly remove some Democrat votes from Obama's column, that he would have gotten if he were not black. And given his extreme leftism, he doesn't have votes to spare.

Personally I doubt that Obama's skin color will be the deciding factor in November, were he to become the Dem nominee. I believe his extreme leftist leanings will lose him so many votes (mostly from independents), that whatever more he loses to the racists and bigots in his own party, will be irrelevant. But even if the "independents" have moved so far to the left (see Lieberman) that he gets substantial votes from them, his color may alienate enough Democrat votes to become the straw that breaks the camel's back.

We'll see in November, in the event that Obama gets the Dem nomination. Of course, no Democrat will tell any pollster that he voted against Obama (or stayed home) because of Obama's skin color. If the Dems have learned nothing else in the last fifty years, they've learned not to tell the truth about what they really want.

Any of the top three Dem candidates will be in trouble in November, simply due to their McGovern-like leftist extremism and military confusion. But the last thing any of them needs, is to lose votes from their constituents who otherwise would have accepted their leftism.

Obama will win.
 
I opined that Obama would lose in November, and gave several reasons.

You clearly disagree, but you gave no reasons - essentially, you let my points stand.

Want to elaborate? And thus make your post worthwhile?
 
I think if Obama gets it, the momentum is swinging towards the democrats gaining the White House. With Hillary it was much more of a race. This is one of those turning point elections and it's away from what 'has been.'
 
All the major Dem candidates are of the extreme-left variety. Corporations are always the bad guys, nationalize more and more of the economy, raise taxes, more govt control, judges who make up laws as they go, etc. They also want to appease our enemies in war and open our borders in various large degrees, which isn't particularly leftist but merely insane.

In the past, whenever the Dems ran a candidate who was that far left, he's gotten creamed (see McGovern, Jimmah, Mondale). Even when they ran against a Republican who was moderately liberal, they still lost (see Gore, Kerry). The only Democrat to win in the last few generations pretended to be a "moderate" (Clinton), and even he never got a majority of the vote, despite running against candidates not very far to the right of his own feigned position.

Obama, Hillary, and Edwards are all of the McGovern mold of modern extreme leftist. As such, they're already in trouble. But Obama has one thing the others don't, obviously: He's black.

Racism is mostly gone in this country... but not completely. And in the November election, the nominee from each party obviously needs huge numbers of votes from the people in their own party, plus a hefty share of the "independent" vote.

That wouldn't be a problem if the Republican nominee were black. But the Democrat party is the party of racism, going back even before the Civil war - an attitude that has not gone away even today. This is the party who continuously proclaims that minorities - and blacks as a group in particular - cannot make it without government help. And while saying this, they make no such claim about whites as a group. Bu they continuously push programs that keep blacks subservient and dependent on government, even while instructing them that they, the Democrats, will somehow "help" them with those programs.

Many Democrats would undoubtedly vote for Obama anyway. Racism in the Democrat paty is not as pervasive as it once was. But it is not gone. There is still enough left to sustain the attitude that blacks are inferior to whites economically.

And this will sadly remove some Democrat votes from Obama's column, that he would have gotten if he were not black. And given his extreme leftism, he doesn't have votes to spare.

Personally I doubt that Obama's skin color will be the deciding factor in November, were he to become the Dem nominee. I believe his extreme leftist leanings will lose him so many votes (mostly from independents), that whatever more he loses to the racists and bigots in his own party, will be irrelevant. But even if the "independents" have moved so far to the left (see Lieberman) that he gets substantial votes from them, his color may alienate enough Democrat votes to become the straw that breaks the camel's back.

We'll see in November, in the event that Obama gets the Dem nomination. Of course, no Democrat will tell any pollster that he voted against Obama (or stayed home) because of Obama's skin color. If the Dems have learned nothing else in the last fifty years, they've learned not to tell the truth about what they really want.

Any of the top three Dem candidates will be in trouble in November, simply due to their McGovern-like leftist extremism and military confusion. But the last thing any of them needs, is to lose votes from their constituents who otherwise would have accepted their leftism.

While I don't agree that racism is almost gone from America (it still exists in many places and more so against Muslims) I do think Obama has a chance. Especially if the Republican front runer is Romeny or Huckabee.
 
I just find it funny to note how not in tune with the electorate some of the more extreme right-wingers are.

Like your in tune. You still think the liberal dems won in 2006, when it was the Republicans that LOST and the conservative dems that took their place.
 
I think Obama has a good chance of winning. A better chance than Hilary has in the general election. The Dems are doing themselves a favor by swinging in his direction.
 
Obama will win because he is a symbol of change and people are tired of Bush.

Not liking the last guy (who can't run again, btw) is never a good reason to vote for the next guy.

I'm afraid el Rushbo was right on this one. Some on the left still need to figure out GW isn't running this time around.
 
Obama is the most electable Dem canidate and Hillary is the least electable... Huckabee vs. Obama would be an interesting matchup... and a win win situation for those of you that are desperate for change...
 
Obama is the most electable Dem canidate and Hillary is the least electable... Huckabee vs. Obama would be an interesting matchup... and a win win situation for those of you that are desperate for change...

Actually I think Edwards is the most electable (he's not a woman or black). Not being sexist or racist, but 'electable' means broadest appeal, right?
 
Until three years ago, Obama's political experience amounted to being an Assemblyman in Springfield, IL. We are talking about by far the most important job on the planet. And while we are in a multi-front war with Islamic extremists that has stressed our military and the political foundation of the NATO alliance, we are contemplating a guy for President with next to zero international and military experience. That is maladaptive to say the least, and underlines the degree to which the media can get us to suspend objective evaluation and influence us with its creations.
 
Actually I think Edwards is the most electable (he's not a woman or black). Not being sexist or racist, but 'electable' means broadest appeal, right?

Edwards is a snake-oil salesmen. He's the last person on the Dem side I'd vote for.
 
Actually I think Edwards is the most electable (he's not a woman or black). Not being sexist or racist, but 'electable' means broadest appeal, right?

I think from a race and gender perspective you are correct... But I think Dem voter turnout will take a big hit with Edwards at the helm...

The sad thing is .. This election could have been a cake walk for the Democrats,But we really dont have a strong canidate in any of them.... I find the republican line up a little more interesting...
 
I think from a race and gender perspective you are correct... But I think Dem voter turnout will take a big hit with Edwards at the helm...

The sad thing is .. This election could have been a cake walk for the Democrats,But we really dont have a strong canidate in any of them.... I find the republican line up a little more interesting...

One guy I'm really suprised hasn't gained any presidential steam over the years is Biden. He's the most 'presidential' looking of the bunch. Maybe the dems are too caught up in getting a woman or minority elected?
 
Not liking the last guy (who can't run again, btw) is never a good reason to vote for the next guy.

I'm afraid el Rushbo was right on this one. Some on the left still need to figure out GW isn't running this time around.

People are tired of the direction the country is heading so they are opting for change. That's why the country gave control of Congress back to the Democrats. The fact that people are looking at an outsider with little experience and, let's face it, is black, because they want to get away from the current administration is a democratic expression of frustration by the popular will. The country wants to move away from the direction it has taken.

Whether it is a good idea or not is irrelevant to the current political landscape. It probably will not in future government though. After all, Bush is a perfect example of why you shouldn't elect someone who is so unqualified to be President.
 
Obama won a state that was 95% white. He is leading in a state that is even whiter. The fact that some crackers here in the South won't vote for a "negro" won't effect the landscape much since I doubt they'd vote for Hillary or the even more liberal Edwards anyways.
 
Until three years ago, Obama's political experience amounted to being an Assemblyman in Springfield, IL. We are talking about by far the most important job on the planet. And while we are in a multi-front war with Islamic extremists that has stressed our military and the political foundation of the NATO alliance, we are contemplating a guy for President with next to zero international and military experience. That is maladaptive to say the least, and underlines the degree to which the media can get us to suspend objective evaluation and influence us with its creations.

Well, personally I'm not one to slight a candidate for lacking experience. If I recall, the last guy who came out of Illinois wasn't all too different- average background, lawyer, 4 years in the House, no wartime or international experience. Didn't turn out too shabby in my opinion.

Now of course I'm not saying Obama would be as influential or effective a figure, but I don't think he's relative inexperience ergo makes him an insufficient candidate either.
 

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