If Obama gets a laws passed on free community colleges I will called him:

[orogenicman]

And who are you to decide for someone else what is and what is not a useless degree?

Considering Obama is asking ME to pay for it, your question reeks of the typical progressive mantra of "shut up and pay for what I want"

Also, the market is doing a pretty good job right now of showing what degrees are useless. Just find out whatever degree your sSarbucks Barista has.

And you, no doubt, believe that you are the only one in the country who pays taxes. If every degree was meant to find a person employment, you'd have a point. But since that isn't the case, has never been the case, should never be the case... next.

So what is the purpose of providing everyone with a government paid degree? If the government is going to pay for it, better have a fucking payoff, which means a more qualified and proficient member of the workforce.

If you want to study 17th century bumblefuckian literature, do it on your own fucking dime.

What is the purpose of providing ANYONE with an education? I'm still waiting for people like you to tell me what gives you or anyone else the right (regardless of who pays) to determine what degree anyone decides to pursue. You know, we hear so much from the right about government interference in our lives and the benefits of freedom, and then out of the other side of their mouths we get this shit. Why is that?

The purpose of education is to provide you with the tools you need to be a functioning adult. Supporting oneself is the primary factor of this. That you need to be explained this is a measure of your intellectual development.

You can pursue anything you want if you pay for it yourself, either cash or through loans. When you ask the government, i.e. the taxpayers to foot the bill however, there had better be a tangible benefit to it. We ask for military service in return for a government sponsored college education, why should we just give it away, and more importantly why should we just give it away in any topic the person wants?

You could not be more wrong. According to Jonathan Cohen, cofounder and president of the National School Climate Center. "I think that my view, and most people's view, is that the purpose of education is to support children in developing the skills, the knowledge, and the dispositions that will allow them to be responsible, contributing members of their community—their democratically-informed community. Meaning, to be a good friend, to be a good mate, to be able to work, and to contribute to the well-being of the community." Explain to me how the far right can be so anti-government, pro-freedom, and yet demand that such a stipulation as deciding what degrees are available to those who seek government assistance in attaining a college education, and more importantly, what degrees are NOT available. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

 

[martybegan]

Considering Obama is asking ME to pay for it, your question reeks of the typical progressive mantra of "shut up and pay for what I want"

Also, the market is doing a pretty good job right now of showing what degrees are useless. Just find out whatever degree your sSarbucks Barista has.

And you, no doubt, believe that you are the only one in the country who pays taxes. If every degree was meant to find a person employment, you'd have a point. But since that isn't the case, has never been the case, should never be the case... next.

So what is the purpose of providing everyone with a government paid degree? If the government is going to pay for it, better have a fucking payoff, which means a more qualified and proficient member of the workforce.

If you want to study 17th century bumblefuckian literature, do it on your own fucking dime.

What is the purpose of providing ANYONE with an education? I'm still waiting for people like you to tell me what gives you or anyone else the right (regardless of who pays) to determine what degree anyone decides to pursue. You know, we hear so much from the right about government interference in our lives and the benefits of freedom, and then out of the other side of their mouths we get this shit. Why is that?

The purpose of education is to provide you with the tools you need to be a functioning adult. Supporting oneself is the primary factor of this. That you need to be explained this is a measure of your intellectual development.

You can pursue anything you want if you pay for it yourself, either cash or through loans. When you ask the government, i.e. the taxpayers to foot the bill however, there had better be a tangible benefit to it. We ask for military service in return for a government sponsored college education, why should we just give it away, and more importantly why should we just give it away in any topic the person wants?

You could not be more wrong. Jonathan Cohen, according to cofounder and president of the National School Climate Center. "I think that my view, and most people's view, is that the purpose of education is to support children in developing the skills, the knowledge, and the dispositions that will allow them to be responsible, contributing members of their community—their democratically-informed community. Meaning, to be a good friend, to be a good mate, to be able to work, and to contribute to the well-being of the community." Explain to me how the far right can be so anti-government, pro-freedom, and yet demand that such a stipulation as deciding what degrees are available to those who seek government assistance in attaining a college education, and more importantly, what degrees are NOT available. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

The person you quoted is an idiot. He wants us to pay for people who are well rounded and completely useless when it comes to the demands of the modern economy. He also refuses to differentiate freedom and government payouts.

If you want to take Oriental basketweaving studies, do it on your own dime, We need more engineers and comp sci/IT specialists in this world.If the taxpayers pay for it, they should be able to dictate how it is used.

 

[orogenicman]

And you, no doubt, believe that you are the only one in the country who pays taxes. If every degree was meant to find a person employment, you'd have a point. But since that isn't the case, has never been the case, should never be the case... next.

So what is the purpose of providing everyone with a government paid degree? If the government is going to pay for it, better have a fucking payoff, which means a more qualified and proficient member of the workforce.

If you want to study 17th century bumblefuckian literature, do it on your own fucking dime.

What is the purpose of providing ANYONE with an education? I'm still waiting for people like you to tell me what gives you or anyone else the right (regardless of who pays) to determine what degree anyone decides to pursue. You know, we hear so much from the right about government interference in our lives and the benefits of freedom, and then out of the other side of their mouths we get this shit. Why is that?

The purpose of education is to provide you with the tools you need to be a functioning adult. Supporting oneself is the primary factor of this. That you need to be explained this is a measure of your intellectual development.

You can pursue anything you want if you pay for it yourself, either cash or through loans. When you ask the government, i.e. the taxpayers to foot the bill however, there had better be a tangible benefit to it. We ask for military service in return for a government sponsored college education, why should we just give it away, and more importantly why should we just give it away in any topic the person wants?

You could not be more wrong. Jonathan Cohen, according to cofounder and president of the National School Climate Center. "I think that my view, and most people's view, is that the purpose of education is to support children in developing the skills, the knowledge, and the dispositions that will allow them to be responsible, contributing members of their community—their democratically-informed community. Meaning, to be a good friend, to be a good mate, to be able to work, and to contribute to the well-being of the community." Explain to me how the far right can be so anti-government, pro-freedom, and yet demand that such a stipulation as deciding what degrees are available to those who seek government assistance in attaining a college education, and more importantly, what degrees are NOT available. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

The person you quoted is an idiot. He wants us to pay for people who are well rounded and completely useless when it comes to the demands of the modern economy. He also refuses to differentiate freedom and government payouts.

If you want to take Oriental basketweaving studies, do it on your own dime, We need more engineers and comp sci/IT specialists in this world.If the taxpayers pay for it, they should be able to dictate how it is used.

Well, sir, this is the problem. You seem to believe that the only thing to be taken from an education is a means to make money. That is certainly one of the most narrow minded definitions I've seen. Do they teach oriental basket weaving studies at community colleges these days? Oh, and what makes you think that a basket weaver cannot make a living? By the way, there are no students getting engineering degrees at community colleges. It takes considerably longer than two years to get such a degree. So I will repeat my query again. Please don't ignore it yet again:

Explain to me how the far right can be so anti-government, pro-freedom, and yet demand that such a stipulation as deciding what degrees are available to those who seek government assistance in attaining a college education, and more importantly, what degrees are NOT available. You can't have your cake and eat it too

 

[martybegan]

So what is the purpose of providing everyone with a government paid degree? If the government is going to pay for it, better have a fucking payoff, which means a more qualified and proficient member of the workforce.

If you want to study 17th century bumblefuckian literature, do it on your own fucking dime.

What is the purpose of providing ANYONE with an education? I'm still waiting for people like you to tell me what gives you or anyone else the right (regardless of who pays) to determine what degree anyone decides to pursue. You know, we hear so much from the right about government interference in our lives and the benefits of freedom, and then out of the other side of their mouths we get this shit. Why is that?

The purpose of education is to provide you with the tools you need to be a functioning adult. Supporting oneself is the primary factor of this. That you need to be explained this is a measure of your intellectual development.

You can pursue anything you want if you pay for it yourself, either cash or through loans. When you ask the government, i.e. the taxpayers to foot the bill however, there had better be a tangible benefit to it. We ask for military service in return for a government sponsored college education, why should we just give it away, and more importantly why should we just give it away in any topic the person wants?

You could not be more wrong. Jonathan Cohen, according to cofounder and president of the National School Climate Center. "I think that my view, and most people's view, is that the purpose of education is to support children in developing the skills, the knowledge, and the dispositions that will allow them to be responsible, contributing members of their community—their democratically-informed community. Meaning, to be a good friend, to be a good mate, to be able to work, and to contribute to the well-being of the community." Explain to me how the far right can be so anti-government, pro-freedom, and yet demand that such a stipulation as deciding what degrees are available to those who seek government assistance in attaining a college education, and more importantly, what degrees are NOT available. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

The person you quoted is an idiot. He wants us to pay for people who are well rounded and completely useless when it comes to the demands of the modern economy. He also refuses to differentiate freedom and government payouts.

If you want to take Oriental basketweaving studies, do it on your own dime, We need more engineers and comp sci/IT specialists in this world.If the taxpayers pay for it, they should be able to dictate how it is used.

Well, sir, this is the problem. You seem to believe that the only thing to be taken from an education is a means to make money. That is certainly one of the most narrow minded definitions I've seen. Do they teach oriental basket weaving studies at community colleges these days? Oh, and what makes you think that a basket weaver cannot make a living? By the way, there are no students getting engineering degrees at community colleges. It takes considerably longer than two years to get such a degree. So I will repeat my query again. Please don't ignore it yet again:

Explain to me how the far right can be so anti-government, pro-freedom, and yet demand that such a stipulation as deciding what degrees are available to those who seek government assistance in attaining a college education, and more importantly, what degrees are NOT available. You can't have your cake and eat it too

The "far right" doesn't want government paying for college to begin with, unless of course, like the GI bill, people commit to giving something in return. What you want is to let people get what they want for "free", and basically FUCK IN THE ASS the taxpayers who are footing the bill. And when they can't get jobs with said degrees, then you will whine about something else.

And there are things called associate degrees in engineering, look stuff up before you post about them ignorantly.

 

[Plasmaball]

I get it

The liberals who posted on here won't even touch the OP on the merits of it , they love to be snobs and think a blue collar guy like me has any use for grammar, they are jealous like always

They conservative posters on this thread so far I think don't understand a return on a investment , maybe they do watch to much fox news

Why is college so expensive?

Why are most CC's not so expensive?

Nothing is free, it is only a matter of who pays.

And if we do make CC free who's to say the dumb asses that the liberal left calls our HS seniors are even going to attend. By everything I see the cost, right now, is not out of reach for most if not all. This is just more BS from Obama trying to have a legacy.

It's a pay off to the teacher's unions.

so the Tennessee governor put in this plan that obama is modeling this off of to pay off the unions...A republican governor....

you people and your stupid conspiracies.

 

[Freewill]

I get it

The liberals who posted on here won't even touch the OP on the merits of it , they love to be snobs and think a blue collar guy like me has any use for grammar, they are jealous like always

They conservative posters on this thread so far I think don't understand a return on a investment , maybe they do watch to much fox news

Why is college so expensive?

Why are most CC's not so expensive?

Nothing is free, it is only a matter of who pays.

And if we do make CC free who's to say the dumb asses that the liberal left calls our HS seniors are even going to attend. By everything I see the cost, right now, is not out of reach for most if not all. This is just more BS from Obama trying to have a legacy.

It's a pay off to the teacher's unions.

so the Tennessee governor put in this plan that obama is modeling this off of to pay off the unions...A republican governor....

you people and your stupid conspiracies.

Huh? Imagine that. Has Obama ever had an original idea he didn't steal of a Republican Governor?

 

[Plasmaball]

I get it

The liberals who posted on here won't even touch the OP on the merits of it , they love to be snobs and think a blue collar guy like me has any use for grammar, they are jealous like always

They conservative posters on this thread so far I think don't understand a return on a investment , maybe they do watch to much fox news

Why is college so expensive?

Why are most CC's not so expensive?

Nothing is free, it is only a matter of who pays.

And if we do make CC free who's to say the dumb asses that the liberal left calls our HS seniors are even going to attend. By everything I see the cost, right now, is not out of reach for most if not all. This is just more BS from Obama trying to have a legacy.

It's a pay off to the teacher's unions.

so the Tennessee governor put in this plan that obama is modeling this off of to pay off the unions...A republican governor....

you people and your stupid conspiracies.

Huh? Imagine that. Has Obama ever had an original idea he didn't steal of a Republican Governor?

and yet look at how you people tend to react...

 

[asaratis]

We have too many government schools already.

Define "too many".

One.
1
Uno

If I understand you correctly, you are saying that one government sponsored school is one too many. To be frank, I went to private religious (Catholic) schools for 9 years of my life, and I must safe it was nearly a complete waste of 9 years of my life. That said, the issue of government versus private schools is irrelevant to the issue highlighted in the OP.

Government sponsored schools are okay by me. That means the government PAYS for the operation but doesn't necessarily run the day to day functions.

By "government school", I mean a government run school. That is what we do not need.

Schools should be run by professional educators whose performance is rated by third party testing of the students. Teacher's keeping their jobs should be based on performance, not on politics.

I don't know that anyone is suggesting that we have government run schools as you define them. Certainly not in this thread.

If we had no government run schools today, there would be no need for the Department of Education. There would be no strings attached to federal tax dollars granted to k-12 schools...such as Michelle's failed healthy-lunch program. Many schools rejected it and took the loss. Rightly so. The feds have no business determining how schools are run. Just give them tax money based on the school population and shut up. Let accomplished educators and professionals run the schools.

 

[RKMBrown]

Would you rather that all colleges exclude those who YOU feel don't pass muster? What would be the purpose of that?

The point is made to compare Germany paying for university for students vs. the US. In the US since anyone can pretty much get into College the cost would be far greater, and the return far smaller.

And considering I don't create or grade the Abitur, the comparison is not valid that you made of ME making the choice.

I think Colleges need to not be considered a mandatory stop for a persons education. We already have too many college graduates doing work below their "skill level" mostly due to the fact that a lot of the degrees being earned have only application in a limited number of academic or research professions.

It is not true that in America anyone who wants to go to college can. A large part of what restricts one from going to college is the cost. Obama wants to change (at least make a start) that by making community college attendance free. Why is this a bad thing for college students (particularly for those who otherwise wouldn't get the opportunity to attend)?

because once you take out the cost factor people will decide to do it "just because" and we will have more people with useless degrees wondering why they are doing jobs beneath them.

It would make more sense to make vocational schools free, as those are the skills we are currently lacking in sufficient numbers.

Correction. It would make more sense to allow high school students to elect vocational school as a substitute for their junior and senior years.

As for paying for CC, handing out scholarships to everyone with tax dollars is not free, it's just stupid.

Many high school students already do this. Why is it stupid to encourage our children to continue their education past high school?

Nothing wrong with encouraging higher learning. However, making everything easy and free is crippling our society. The people that do graduate have no backbone. They did not earn their way through life, it was given to them. You want a scholarship? Fight for the grades. You don't have the grades? Work hard save your money and pay your own way through school. You have a plan and want a loan? Get one.

Giving people free shit won't make them good people it will make them spoiled people.

 

[RKMBrown]

because once you take out the cost factor people will decide to do it "just because" and we will have more people with useless degrees wondering why they are doing jobs beneath them.

It would make more sense to make vocational schools free, as those are the skills we are currently lacking in sufficient numbers.

And who are you to decide for someone else what is and what is not a useless degree?

Considering Obama is asking ME to pay for it, your question reeks of the typical progressive mantra of "shut up and pay for what I want"

Also, the market is doing a pretty good job right now of showing what degrees are useless. Just find out whatever degree your sSarbucks Barista has.

And you, no doubt, believe that you are the only one in the country who pays taxes. If every degree was meant to find a person employment, you'd have a point. But since that isn't the case, has never been the case, should never be the case... next.

So what is the purpose of providing everyone with a government paid degree? If the government is going to pay for it, better have a fucking payoff, which means a more qualified and proficient member of the workforce.

If you want to study 17th century bumblefuckian literature, do it on your own fucking dime.

What is the purpose of providing ANYONE with an education? I'm still waiting for people like you to tell me what gives you or anyone else the right (regardless of who pays) to determine what degree anyone decides to pursue. You know, we hear so much from the right about government interference in our lives and the benefits of freedom, and then out of the other side of their mouths we get this shit. Why is that?

The purpose of forcing public education down the throats of some people, was said to be to reduce poverty. Yeah well that didn't work.

The purpose of handing out free education money, is obvious. It's to buy votes while simultaneously destroying the country from within by rewarding idiots with the income of hard working Americans. Sure they will tell you it is to reduce poverty. Yeah they were lying about that too.

 

[PredFan]

I get it

The liberals who posted on here won't even touch the OP on the merits of it , they love to be snobs and think a blue collar guy like me has any use for grammar, they are jealous like always

They conservative posters on this thread so far I think don't understand a return on a investment , maybe they do watch to much fox news

Why is college so expensive?

Why are most CC's not so expensive?

Nothing is free, it is only a matter of who pays.

And if we do make CC free who's to say the dumb asses that the liberal left calls our HS seniors are even going to attend. By everything I see the cost, right now, is not out of reach for most if not all. This is just more BS from Obama trying to have a legacy.

It's a pay off to the teacher's unions.

so the Tennessee governor put in this plan that obama is modeling this off of to pay off the unions...A republican governor....

you people and your stupid conspiracies.

Jesus H Christ! Obama can't use this to pay off his union buddies because a Republican Governor originally had the idea?

How do you live in a brain that small?

 

[nodoginnafight]

"If Obama gets a laws passed on free community colleges I will called him:"

The guy who tried to teach the OP how to speak and write English


BTW - a Republican led legislature and Republican Governor have already passed this measure in Tennessee.

 

[orogenicman]

Define "too many".

One.
1
Uno

If I understand you correctly, you are saying that one government sponsored school is one too many. To be frank, I went to private religious (Catholic) schools for 9 years of my life, and I must safe it was nearly a complete waste of 9 years of my life. That said, the issue of government versus private schools is irrelevant to the issue highlighted in the OP.

Government sponsored schools are okay by me. That means the government PAYS for the operation but doesn't necessarily run the day to day functions.

By "government school", I mean a government run school. That is what we do not need.

Schools should be run by professional educators whose performance is rated by third party testing of the students. Teacher's keeping their jobs should be based on performance, not on politics.

I don't know that anyone is suggesting that we have government run schools as you define them. Certainly not in this thread.

If we had no government run schools today, there would be no need for the Department of Education. There would be no strings attached to federal tax dollars granted to k-12 schools...such as Michelle's failed healthy-lunch program. Many schools rejected it and took the loss. Rightly so. The feds have no business determining how schools are run. Just give them tax money based on the school population and shut up. Let accomplished educators and professionals run the schools.

Well, none of that is correct. The Federal government has every right to determine how schools are run. You really should read up on the law.

 

[orogenicman]

The point is made to compare Germany paying for university for students vs. the US. In the US since anyone can pretty much get into College the cost would be far greater, and the return far smaller.

And considering I don't create or grade the Abitur, the comparison is not valid that you made of ME making the choice.

I think Colleges need to not be considered a mandatory stop for a persons education. We already have too many college graduates doing work below their "skill level" mostly due to the fact that a lot of the degrees being earned have only application in a limited number of academic or research professions.

It is not true that in America anyone who wants to go to college can. A large part of what restricts one from going to college is the cost. Obama wants to change (at least make a start) that by making community college attendance free. Why is this a bad thing for college students (particularly for those who otherwise wouldn't get the opportunity to attend)?

because once you take out the cost factor people will decide to do it "just because" and we will have more people with useless degrees wondering why they are doing jobs beneath them.

It would make more sense to make vocational schools free, as those are the skills we are currently lacking in sufficient numbers.

Correction. It would make more sense to allow high school students to elect vocational school as a substitute for their junior and senior years.

As for paying for CC, handing out scholarships to everyone with tax dollars is not free, it's just stupid.

Many high school students already do this. Why is it stupid to encourage our children to continue their education past high school?

Nothing wrong with encouraging higher learning. However, making everything easy and free is crippling our society. The people that do graduate have no backbone. They did not earn their way through life, it was given to them. You want a scholarship? Fight for the grades. You don't have the grades? Work hard save your money and pay your own way through school. You have a plan and want a loan? Get one.

Giving people free shit won't make them good people it will make them spoiled people.

So I take it that you have never been given anything in your life. Ever. Because if you had, you'd be a spoiled person, right?

Look, it's like this. We are falling behind the rest of the industrial world in science and education. And we are the ONLY industrialized nation that doesn't offer free post-secondary education to our people. The only one. So is it any wonder that we can't compete?

 

[orogenicman]

And who are you to decide for someone else what is and what is not a useless degree?

Considering Obama is asking ME to pay for it, your question reeks of the typical progressive mantra of "shut up and pay for what I want"

Also, the market is doing a pretty good job right now of showing what degrees are useless. Just find out whatever degree your sSarbucks Barista has.

And you, no doubt, believe that you are the only one in the country who pays taxes. If every degree was meant to find a person employment, you'd have a point. But since that isn't the case, has never been the case, should never be the case... next.

So what is the purpose of providing everyone with a government paid degree? If the government is going to pay for it, better have a fucking payoff, which means a more qualified and proficient member of the workforce.

If you want to study 17th century bumblefuckian literature, do it on your own fucking dime.

What is the purpose of providing ANYONE with an education? I'm still waiting for people like you to tell me what gives you or anyone else the right (regardless of who pays) to determine what degree anyone decides to pursue. You know, we hear so much from the right about government interference in our lives and the benefits of freedom, and then out of the other side of their mouths we get this shit. Why is that?

The purpose of forcing public education down the throats of some people, was said to be to reduce poverty. Yeah well that didn't work.

The purpose of handing out free education money, is obvious. It's to buy votes while simultaneously destroying the country from within by rewarding idiots with the income of hard working Americans. Sure they will tell you it is to reduce poverty. Yeah they were lying about that too.

Of course it worked. But let us be clear. We are not talking about forcing anything down anyone's throat here. If the Federal government offers to pay for you to take some community college classes (and clearly, some here definitely need to take the president up on the offer), how is that forcing anyone to go to school. I really don't understand the objection of the right wing in this country to education. Are they all really this immature and stupid?

 

[RKMBrown]

It is not true that in America anyone who wants to go to college can. A large part of what restricts one from going to college is the cost. Obama wants to change (at least make a start) that by making community college attendance free. Why is this a bad thing for college students (particularly for those who otherwise wouldn't get the opportunity to attend)?

because once you take out the cost factor people will decide to do it "just because" and we will have more people with useless degrees wondering why they are doing jobs beneath them.

It would make more sense to make vocational schools free, as those are the skills we are currently lacking in sufficient numbers.

Correction. It would make more sense to allow high school students to elect vocational school as a substitute for their junior and senior years.

As for paying for CC, handing out scholarships to everyone with tax dollars is not free, it's just stupid.

Many high school students already do this. Why is it stupid to encourage our children to continue their education past high school?

Nothing wrong with encouraging higher learning. However, making everything easy and free is crippling our society. The people that do graduate have no backbone. They did not earn their way through life, it was given to them. You want a scholarship? Fight for the grades. You don't have the grades? Work hard save your money and pay your own way through school. You have a plan and want a loan? Get one.

Giving people free shit won't make them good people it will make them spoiled people.

So I take it that you have never been given anything in your life. Ever. Because if you had, you'd be a spoiled person, right?

Look, it's like this. We are falling behind the rest of the industrial world in science and education. And we are the ONLY industrialized nation that doesn't offer free post-secondary education to our people. The only one. So is it any wonder that we can't compete?

We are falling behind wrt public education, because our system focuses on slowing the smart people down to force them to wait for the illegal kids to catch up. As for your "free" bullshit. There is no such thing as FREE and you are confused. Other places don't have junior senior years they have post secondary instead.

FYI most if not all high schools in this country currently provide access to CC classes for their students.

 

[RKMBrown]

Considering Obama is asking ME to pay for it, your question reeks of the typical progressive mantra of "shut up and pay for what I want"

Also, the market is doing a pretty good job right now of showing what degrees are useless. Just find out whatever degree your sSarbucks Barista has.

And you, no doubt, believe that you are the only one in the country who pays taxes. If every degree was meant to find a person employment, you'd have a point. But since that isn't the case, has never been the case, should never be the case... next.

So what is the purpose of providing everyone with a government paid degree? If the government is going to pay for it, better have a fucking payoff, which means a more qualified and proficient member of the workforce.

If you want to study 17th century bumblefuckian literature, do it on your own fucking dime.

What is the purpose of providing ANYONE with an education? I'm still waiting for people like you to tell me what gives you or anyone else the right (regardless of who pays) to determine what degree anyone decides to pursue. You know, we hear so much from the right about government interference in our lives and the benefits of freedom, and then out of the other side of their mouths we get this shit. Why is that?

The purpose of forcing public education down the throats of some people, was said to be to reduce poverty. Yeah well that didn't work.

The purpose of handing out free education money, is obvious. It's to buy votes while simultaneously destroying the country from within by rewarding idiots with the income of hard working Americans. Sure they will tell you it is to reduce poverty. Yeah they were lying about that too.

Of course it worked. But let us be clear. We are not talking about forcing anything down anyone's throat here. If the Federal government offers to pay for you to take some community college classes (and clearly, some here definitely need to take the president up on the offer), how is that forcing anyone to go to school. I really don't understand the objection of the right wing in this country to education. Are they all really this immature and stupid?

First off, FUCK YOU PRICK.

Secondly, we most certainly do force public education down the throats of our children. You think it's optional? Are you daft?

Thirdly, as for CC the only forcing would be on us who have to bear the weight of this new benefit you now think you are entitled to.

 

[orogenicman]

because once you take out the cost factor people will decide to do it "just because" and we will have more people with useless degrees wondering why they are doing jobs beneath them.

It would make more sense to make vocational schools free, as those are the skills we are currently lacking in sufficient numbers.

Correction. It would make more sense to allow high school students to elect vocational school as a substitute for their junior and senior years.

As for paying for CC, handing out scholarships to everyone with tax dollars is not free, it's just stupid.

Many high school students already do this. Why is it stupid to encourage our children to continue their education past high school?

Nothing wrong with encouraging higher learning. However, making everything easy and free is crippling our society. The people that do graduate have no backbone. They did not earn their way through life, it was given to them. You want a scholarship? Fight for the grades. You don't have the grades? Work hard save your money and pay your own way through school. You have a plan and want a loan? Get one.

Giving people free shit won't make them good people it will make them spoiled people.

So I take it that you have never been given anything in your life. Ever. Because if you had, you'd be a spoiled person, right?

Look, it's like this. We are falling behind the rest of the industrial world in science and education. And we are the ONLY industrialized nation that doesn't offer free post-secondary education to our people. The only one. So is it any wonder that we can't compete?

We are falling behind wrt public education, because our system focuses on slowing the smart people down to force them to wait for the illegal kids to catch up. As for your "free" bullshit. There is no such thing as FREE and you are confused. Other places don't have junior senior years they have post secondary instead.

FYI most if not all high schools in this country currently provide access to CC classes for their students.

We've been falling behind in literacy, mathematics (which we've been falling behind on since the 1980s), and basic problem solving. This has nothing at all to do with holding people back to let others catch up. The problem is not so much that the United States has gotten worse, but that it stood still on indicators like high school graduation rates while its foreign competitors rushed forward. We've sat on our laurels while the rest of the industrial world (except UK) has surged ahead. Why? Because in those countries, it doesn't cost ten/twenty years-worth of future wages to get an education. They've made it very easy for anyone to get a post-secondary education. That has attracted high wage employers who need a skilled and highly educated work force. As for your last remark, I have no idea what you are babbling about, since I have repeatedly cited the need for post-secondary education.

 

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Correction. It would make more sense to allow high school students to elect vocational school as a substitute for their junior and senior years.

As for paying for CC, handing out scholarships to everyone with tax dollars is not free, it's just stupid.

Many high school students already do this. Why is it stupid to encourage our children to continue their education past high school?

Nothing wrong with encouraging higher learning. However, making everything easy and free is crippling our society. The people that do graduate have no backbone. They did not earn their way through life, it was given to them. You want a scholarship? Fight for the grades. You don't have the grades? Work hard save your money and pay your own way through school. You have a plan and want a loan? Get one.

Giving people free shit won't make them good people it will make them spoiled people.

So I take it that you have never been given anything in your life. Ever. Because if you had, you'd be a spoiled person, right?

Look, it's like this. We are falling behind the rest of the industrial world in science and education. And we are the ONLY industrialized nation that doesn't offer free post-secondary education to our people. The only one. So is it any wonder that we can't compete?

We are falling behind wrt public education, because our system focuses on slowing the smart people down to force them to wait for the illegal kids to catch up. As for your "free" bullshit. There is no such thing as FREE and you are confused. Other places don't have junior senior years they have post secondary instead.

FYI most if not all high schools in this country currently provide access to CC classes for their students.

We've been falling behind in literacy, mathematics (which we've been falling behind on since the 1980s), and basic problem solving. This has nothing at all to do with holding people back to let others catch up. The problem is not so much that the United States has gotten worse, but that it stood still on indicators like high school graduation rates while its foreign competitors rushed forward. We've sat on our laurels while the rest of the industrial world (except UK) has surged ahead. Why? Because in those countries, it doesn't cost ten/twenty years-worth of future wages to get an education. They've made it very easy for anyone to get a post-secondary education. That has attracted high wage employers who need a skilled and highly educated work force. As for your last remark, I have no idea what you are babbling about, since I have repeatedly cited the need for post-secondary education.

Nah. You are the one that is babbling. We already PROVIDE POST-SECONDARY EDUCATION AT NEARLY EVERY SINGLE HIGH SCHOOL IN THE COUNTRY. How much clearer do I have to make that?

Our averages are low for TWO REASONS.

1) Illegal immigrants and democrat hell holes
2) SMART KIDS ARE HELD BACK BY THIS PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM THAT LEAVES NO CHILD BEHIND. The way they LEAVE NO CHILD BEHIND is they put the BRAKES ON EDUCATION IN THE CLASSROOM TO TEACH TO THE SLOWEST KID. It's been that way since segregation.

In 3rd grade I tested with a 12th grade level. I had to wait nearly a decade for everyone to catch up.

 

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Many high school students already do this. Why is it stupid to encourage our children to continue their education past high school?

Nothing wrong with encouraging higher learning. However, making everything easy and free is crippling our society. The people that do graduate have no backbone. They did not earn their way through life, it was given to them. You want a scholarship? Fight for the grades. You don't have the grades? Work hard save your money and pay your own way through school. You have a plan and want a loan? Get one.

Giving people free shit won't make them good people it will make them spoiled people.

So I take it that you have never been given anything in your life. Ever. Because if you had, you'd be a spoiled person, right?

Look, it's like this. We are falling behind the rest of the industrial world in science and education. And we are the ONLY industrialized nation that doesn't offer free post-secondary education to our people. The only one. So is it any wonder that we can't compete?

We are falling behind wrt public education, because our system focuses on slowing the smart people down to force them to wait for the illegal kids to catch up. As for your "free" bullshit. There is no such thing as FREE and you are confused. Other places don't have junior senior years they have post secondary instead.

FYI most if not all high schools in this country currently provide access to CC classes for their students.

We've been falling behind in literacy, mathematics (which we've been falling behind on since the 1980s), and basic problem solving. This has nothing at all to do with holding people back to let others catch up. The problem is not so much that the United States has gotten worse, but that it stood still on indicators like high school graduation rates while its foreign competitors rushed forward. We've sat on our laurels while the rest of the industrial world (except UK) has surged ahead. Why? Because in those countries, it doesn't cost ten/twenty years-worth of future wages to get an education. They've made it very easy for anyone to get a post-secondary education. That has attracted high wage employers who need a skilled and highly educated work force. As for your last remark, I have no idea what you are babbling about, since I have repeatedly cited the need for post-secondary education.

Nah. You are the one that is babbling. We already PROVIDE POST-SECONDARY EDUCATION AT NEARLY EVERY SINGLE HIGH SCHOOL IN THE COUNTRY. How much clearer do I have to make that?

Are you suggesting that pre-college preparatory classes are superior to actual college courses (which are NOT taught in highschools)?

Our averages are low for TWO REASONS.

1) Illegal immigrants and democrat hell holes

Evidence -

2) SMART KIDS ARE HELD BACK BY THIS PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM THAT LEAVES NO CHILD BEHIND. The way they LEAVE NO CHILD BEHIND is they put the BRAKES ON EDUCATION IN THE CLASSROOM TO TEACH TO THE SLOWEST KID. It's been that way since segregation.

I went to a desegregated school, and no one held me back. Next.

In 3rd grade I tested with a 12th grade level. I had to wait nearly a decade for everyone to catch up.

Right...